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robster2001 Very Occasional Editor from Richmond, VA Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Very Occasional Editor
Apr 5th 2012 at 1:02:19 PM

[up][up] I was just thinking that if it's possible to do, in general, it will head off the need to keep looking for bad outlinks — I'm considering scenarios like vandalism. If all outlinks pass through a warning page, that might keep the site safe from Those Who Would Complain until vandal/porn/illegal links can be found and purged.

In the near term... is there a specific URL (or fragment thereof) that we might be looking to delete?

I am not a mod, and I don't play one on TV.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Apr 5th 2012 at 1:04:02 PM

[up][up]Even the NSFG pages still have ads from other providers, and I guess that even they have their limits. But I am really not an expert on that matter.

[up]A tool to scan this site for fishy outlinks (like Danbooru)? Could be a good idea?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SilentReverence adopting kitteh from 3 tiles right 1 tile up
adopting kitteh
Apr 5th 2012 at 1:11:15 PM

Big question: how much room are we going to give to Moral Guardians? There's no reason why they can not suddenly decide we can not show or talk about wet sari scenes at the moment. Then comes leg, any leg, and perhaps what else.

I think it is a very important problem to address.

Fanfic Recs orwellianretcon'd: cutlocked for committee or for Google?
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Apr 5th 2012 at 1:13:03 PM

[up]So much room as we have to do to keep the wiki alive. On the last page, FE said that he didn't consider their arguments valid but the financial support is more important here.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Apr 5th 2012 at 1:14:16 PM

Any chance of transplanting the sectionectomied example lists to Fetish Fuel Wiki?

When we are crushing the black hearts of our oppressors, we will find our hands blackened.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Apr 5th 2012 at 1:15:04 PM

[up]They are still in the history, if you are searching for them.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Bookyangel2438 from New York City
Apr 5th 2012 at 1:19:09 PM

Huh. surprised

Why was the description reduced? surprised

edited 5th Apr '12 1:19:45 PM by Bookyangel2438

Alt account of Angeldog 2437.
Telcontar In uffish thought from England
In uffish thought
Apr 5th 2012 at 1:20:15 PM

[up][up][up] Possibly — no doubt it's the best way to keep the page if we want to — but ask Fast Eddie first.

[up] Moral guardians with weak arguments threatening financial stuff, if I'm understanding everything right.

edited 5th Apr '12 1:20:52 PM by Telcontar

That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Apr 5th 2012 at 1:26:52 PM

Which Moral Guardians, BTW? Eddie has been vague on who exactly is complaining. Is it parents of wayward kids, or Google/the other ad providers?

When we are crushing the black hearts of our oppressors, we will find our hands blackened.
Raso Cure Candy
Cure Candy
Apr 5th 2012 at 1:27:17 PM

{Yes, it was too far, and no, hottipping it does not make it OK. —Madrugada}

What next banning real works? deleting tropes? The slippery slope is getting pretty freaken far here. We have the NSFG banner that we don't seem to be using... what happened to that other ad provider?

Anyway it really should have a full description with related tropes and such at the very least it is a freaken real trope.

edited 5th Apr '12 7:51:52 PM by Madrugada

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Apr 5th 2012 at 1:28:42 PM

Please be patient until we get this sorted out. There'll be plenty of time for ranting and raving if this doesn't blow over.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Apr 5th 2012 at 1:31:02 PM

Raso, calm down, man. Even the Big E himself doesn't like this anymore than you do, but the site's very survival basically has a laser sight painted on it.

When we are crushing the black hearts of our oppressors, we will find our hands blackened.
blackcat Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Apr 5th 2012 at 1:34:37 PM

Most of the time when complaints are made the person making the complaint is guaranteed anonymity.

Soooo ninja'd.

edited 5th Apr '12 1:35:29 PM by blackcat

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MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Apr 5th 2012 at 1:37:35 PM

Okay, so does that mean that Google communicated these complaints from anonymous third parties to Eddie then?

edited 5th Apr '12 1:39:55 PM by MarqFJA

When we are crushing the black hearts of our oppressors, we will find our hands blackened.
MetaFour AXTE INCAL AXTUCE MUN from a place
AXTE INCAL AXTUCE MUN
Apr 5th 2012 at 1:37:45 PM

Which Moral Guardians, BTW? Eddie has been vague on who exactly is complaining. Is it parents of wayward kids, or Google/the other ad providers?
It's possible that trolls are involved; naming them just gives them the visibility they want.

I didn't write any of that.
lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
Apr 5th 2012 at 1:38:56 PM

[up] I really have been contemplating this possibility. Not naming names. They know who they are.

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Telcontar In uffish thought from England
In uffish thought
Apr 5th 2012 at 1:39:15 PM

Nevermind.

edited 5th Apr '12 1:39:36 PM by Telcontar

That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Apr 5th 2012 at 1:40:06 PM

I wasn't concerned about particular names, just the general identity of the group(s) that complained. If they're trolls, then shame on Google if they actually fell for their ploy.

When we are crushing the black hearts of our oppressors, we will find our hands blackened.
lebrel Tsundere pet. from Basement, Ivory Tower
Tsundere pet.
Apr 5th 2012 at 1:40:38 PM

@64: A general, non-identifying summary such as "complaints that links to NSFW images were found, threats were made to petition Google to cut off ad revenue" would help the rank-and-file understand what's going on.

edited 5th Apr '12 1:40:50 PM by lebrel

Calling someone a pedant is an automatic Insult Backfire. Real pedants will be flattered.
TotemicHero Not a bug! from the next level
Not a bug!
Apr 5th 2012 at 1:49:38 PM

If I recall, we no longer do ads directly with Google, we use someone else (which from time to time still posts Google ads).

edited 5th Apr '12 1:49:58 PM by TotemicHero

Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
Apr 5th 2012 at 2:25:27 PM

Stupid Ms. Grundys. *grumbles* What should people like me do?

32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
Apr 5th 2012 at 2:49:21 PM

Well, for now, we tiptoe cautiously. If it turns out that it's a case of trolling, then we can judiciously restore the questionable links. If not, we will need to keep appropriate limits in mind.

Also, even if it is legit, I imagine the mods have cut the examples to get clarification on what can and cannot be listed. Once this blows over, unless things were absolutely ridiculous, they'll be back. There are times where it's better safe than sorry.

Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.
Apr 5th 2012 at 3:10:39 PM

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edited 23rd Jul '17 1:37:46 PM by Jicragg

Apr 5th 2012 at 3:46:03 PM

Apologies if this was answered, but I didn't see it anywhere: Why was the description gutted? I'm with Jicragg, it was good before. It's barely even a stub now; at least add a related tropes line.

VmKid Nerdy. Weird. AWESOME. from Shuggazoom City Relationship Status: Robosexual
Nerdy. Weird. AWESOME.
Apr 5th 2012 at 3:46:41 PM

(Just a note: You CAN see the removed section be looking at the Article History. I know that's not exactly a good way to make up for it, but it's a start.)

For now, why not move some of those tropes' example pages to the Fetish Fuel Wiki? They seem like they'd be right at home there, if not here.

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