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Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Feb 26th 2012 at 3:19:55 PM

I agree that there doesn't need to be a sex-based split on those tropes, in that they basically boil down to The Opposite Sex Is Confusing, The Opposite Sex Will Fix Your Life and The Opposite Sex Will Ruin Your Life. None of them are limited to potential romantic partners.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Feb 26th 2012 at 3:20:08 PM

[up][up][up] I believe you, but...

[up][up] ...What he said. The point behind them is that this is a gender-based Double Standard. The point is that having different genetics/equipment makes the other person completely alien.

I'm happy to discuss the specifics of a homosexual spin-off, though.

edited 26th Feb '12 3:20:44 PM by KingZeal

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Feb 26th 2012 at 3:23:50 PM

Raso in #14 "Index" and "Top Level Supertrope" are not mutually exclusive. Most High-level supertropes can also be looked at as indexes. In fact, most supertropes should be indexes as well — a supertrope is a trope that has specific, established variations that have become tropes of their own. The supertrope page should list those variations.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Feb 26th 2012 at 6:44:06 PM

So it turns out we DID have a trope about vulnerable daughters.

Overprotective Dad.

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Feb 26th 2012 at 6:56:34 PM

That's really more about the Dad than the daughter. It's a subtrope of Daughters Are Vulnerable, but it doesn't fill the same spot on the tree.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Feather7603 Devil's Advocate from Yggdrasil
Feb 26th 2012 at 6:59:51 PM

Well, it's sort of like how the dad thinks his daughter is vulnerable, no matter if she is or not. Kind of how my parents still think of my sister as a teenager at best. She's almost thirty.

edited 26th Feb '12 7:00:57 PM by Feather7603

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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
Feb 26th 2012 at 8:53:59 PM

While I like Women Are Better Parents (I could practically write a page about this trope in advertising alone), I'd be sure to include its differences from Bumbling Dad (which frequently, but not always, goes arm-in-arm with it).

Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.
Feb 27th 2012 at 3:31:09 AM

The consensus for Daughters Are Always Vulnerable seems to be that it's redundant with Overprotective Dad.

The only thing I can think to do is to launch it with No Examples Please.

MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Feb 27th 2012 at 3:36:38 AM

Maybe I should change the description, then?

MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Feb 27th 2012 at 3:42:04 AM

Yeah, I say make it like Parental Abandonment is to Disappeared Dad and Missing Mom. Maybe you could even see if splitting Overprotective Mom (not necessarily under that name; how about Henpecking Mother?) from Overprotective Dad has merits.

When we are crushing the black hearts of our oppressors, we will find our hands blackened.
TheJackal Lurker from the UK
Lurker
Feb 27th 2012 at 5:46:26 AM

We already have a trope about overprotective mothers — My Beloved Smother, which probably needs a better name or at least a more searchable redirect.

Feb 27th 2012 at 5:47:18 AM

Made a new Super-Trope called Vulnerability Is Sexy To Them after it popped in my head. I had originally named it "Sexy Vulnerabilities", but thought better of it when I realized that people would start adding characters THEY felt qualified rather than in-universe examples, deconstructions, or articles discussing it.

I'll work on Daughters Are Always Vulnerable and the other Super Tropes when I have time to.

Weird. "Overprotective Mom" is a redirect to Overprotective Dad? How does that make sense? Was Overprotective Dad made first and someone just didn't think to switch it?

edited 27th Feb '12 6:40:41 AM by KingZeal

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Feb 27th 2012 at 7:03:35 AM

I think part of the problem in the YKTTW for Daughters Are Vulnerable is the laconic — specifically the part about "and boys. Especially Boys." That's narrowing it down too far and focusing it on the daughter & dating, and making it sound like it's just Overprotective Dad.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Feb 27th 2012 at 7:43:05 AM

Okay. I can alter that.

Feather7603 Devil's Advocate from Yggdrasil
Feb 27th 2012 at 8:15:58 AM

[up][up][up][up] I could write a paper on how vulnerablity means sexiness... Added some comments about it, but I refrained from going in-depth about it. Not sure if you want the discussion here or there, but as a trope, rather than an index, I think it needs more definition.

The Internet misuses, abuses, and overuses everything.
MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Feb 27th 2012 at 8:58:36 AM

@The Jackal: My Beloved Smother isn't specifically about an overprotective mother; it's about a mother who is excessive in showering her child with affection and authority (essentially the parent-child version of Henpecked Husband), which oftentimes comes has her in an antagonistic role towards their child's friends and/or Love Interests as they screen them for possible "bad influences" on their child.

@King Zeal: I actually made Overprotective Mom a redirect to Overprotective Dad quite recently, after I noticed a few Gender-Inverted Trope examples on the page.

When we are crushing the black hearts of our oppressors, we will find our hands blackened.
Feb 27th 2012 at 9:09:21 AM

[up][up] You added comments? I don't see anything new...

[up] Henpecked Husband is another zig-zag trope I need to add. smile It's fascinating how so many of these tropes just keep popping up.

Feather7603 Devil's Advocate from Yggdrasil
Feb 27th 2012 at 9:37:37 AM

Well, now it's there. I'm not sure how the YKTTW process goes or how kosher it is to edit stuff on your own, but there you go.

The Internet misuses, abuses, and overuses everything.
Feb 28th 2012 at 7:37:36 AM

Do we have a Super-Trope like Combat Exhibitionist?

Basically, a person (possibly a Combat Sadomasochist) who invokes Stripperiffic intentionally? For example, they dress in sexy wear as a "distraction tactic" (such as Maidman) or because they just get off on it.

edited 28th Feb '12 7:37:46 AM by KingZeal

Feather7603 Devil's Advocate from Yggdrasil
Feb 28th 2012 at 10:25:51 AM

What's it a Super-Trope of?

edited 28th Feb '12 10:26:04 AM by Feather7603

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lebrel Tsundere pet. from Basement, Ivory Tower
Tsundere pet.
Feb 28th 2012 at 3:58:08 PM

Stripperiffic is way too general to be a subtrope of what you propose. It has no necessary connection to combat of any sort. And Full-Frontal Assault does not need to have anything to do with Distracted by the Sexy, it can just be the attacker being nutcase, or having No Nudity Taboo.

Calling someone a pedant is an automatic Insult Backfire. Real pedants will be flattered.
Feb 28th 2012 at 4:47:10 PM

...When did I say that Distracted by the Sexy was necessary?

I said the trope would be something like Combat Exhibitionist. Someone who fought in ridiculous, skimpy, or revealing costumes for any number of justifications. All of the tropes we have now describe the costumes, not the attitude of the person that wears it.


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