Cleaning up : Anime Tropes

I think we can just make a note in the description that we're cataloging the modern stuff.

Alright then. Next batch after nap, or make the run yourself.

I am on my phone ATM with 3G so can't edit those I want moved ATM but I will later today if that's ok? Edit: done.

• Airplaneof Love (Never actually ran into this before as a trope, the few examples I know seem correct... Really don't know.)
• Artificial Riverbank (I have never ran into a location looking like this in a western work nor having the same associated stereotypes and same stock camera angles... Also everyone in a Japanese work look Exactly the same... Entire series get based on this location. Should stay on Japanese tropes or rename / trope transplant and replace it with something more general fitting it's name.)
• Bishie Sparkle (It is a Japanese thing however thanks to Twilight it's getting face in the west it should probably go on japanese visual tropes, it got started as Manga Effects not anime actually like Love Bubbles, Love Flowers, Beam of Enlightenment etc .)
• Bishōnen Line (it was Codified in Dragon Ball Z and is really a Shōnen thing, vote go to Japanese tropes maybe TRS there seems to be a lot of shoehorning going on.)

edited 30th Sep '11 9:10:08 AM by Raso

Artificial Riverbank: This is probably pretty much what Raso said, but there's a difference between these as something that exists and these as a setting.

For Bishounen Line, I vote TRS. The description could probably use some more work/tweaking - the way I understand it, the actual trope is when the same individual changes forms as it becomes more powerful, the last form looking human while the previous ones do not. Lots of examples are about monster races etc. where the most powerful ones look human, or even can choose to look human, which is a different thing. (This needs some alt titles too - I'm having problems seeing the word "bishounen" applied to anyone in Dragonball, most definitely including Cell.)

Not anime-specific, though - I think there are valid gaming examples as well.

edited 30th Sep '11 9:06:11 AM by Antheia

Would you say Bishounen Line originated in Japan? I'm not very familiar with "transformation to become more powerful" outside of the action series and videogames I've played.

No, I'd say it originated in Greek Mythology. It just has a terrible name. There's a long history of things getting more ugly as they get more powerful only to achieve perfection at the pinnacle.

edited 30th Sep '11 1:36:03 PM by shimaspawn

I'm actually more concerned with the male-centricity of of the title, I can think of a number of female examples (this same process applies to female digimon, for example who get more and more human the further they evolve. The same does not necessarily apply to male digimon).

There is a trope here, but its rather muddled. It needs to be resolved in TRS. It may be more used in Japanese than western works, I'm not sure.

Uhh shima Bishōnen Line is the exact opposite of that. They get progressively prettier the more powerful they get (or more the forms they get)

edited 30th Sep '11 1:38:13 PM by Raso

Yeah, that trope has a lot of issues. Culture and gender specificness are just part of it.

No, it's they get ugly, and then they get abruptly pretty. Read the trope.

edited 30th Sep '11 1:38:01 PM by shimaspawn

That doesn't happen all the time, some do get prgressively uglier then snap beautiful again others it's a slide from ugly to pretty as the get more powerful. The page image is the latter, using the three Codifers in Dragon Ball Z Freeza is the former (Girly, Huge and bulky, then an alien lookalike, and then finely even prettier than before) Cell the page image is the latter (progressively more human looking) Buu latter (starting out as a fatso then ending up looking like a kid.)

The description needs a TRS I guess.

The whole trope needs TRS. I think the core is "Final form is more attractive than previous forms." But it seems to have a number of issues.

Uh, Freeza isn't an example I think. His final form had some Top-Heavy Guy going on.

Okay, so Bishounen Line needs TRS for: rename, redefine, rewrite.

Airplane of Love: No one seems to have a clue on this. The examples seem to be mostly from manga/anime but are focused around romance works. I'm not sure about it, it might need a rerun through YKTTW or something. Might be Japanese, might be Stock Symolism.

Artificial Riverbank has been under debate. Seems that Japan uses it both as a Stock Location, and as one that's nearly identical in every work (reminds me of the standard school they do as well).

Bishie Sparkles: more opinions please?

Anime Hair: consensus seems to be that it's an animation trope, does it need a rename?

Also, looking at Manga Effects, it looks like it needs a once over. It's listing Wing Ding Eyes ffs. I'd rather just lump it into Japanese Visual Arts Tropes.

edited 30th Sep '11 2:21:24 PM by Deboss

Anime Hair could use a rename. The trope examples don't even seem to be confined to animation so long as the hair is sufficiently weird and gravity defying.

Freeza 100% isn't a form.

Airplane of Love seriously I don't know I never noticed the thing except for that Love Hina example which the plane was right outside the window.

Artificial Riverbank is a stock location if the show is a Slice of Life you will see one, from walking too and from school, or private time romance events, sitting on the slope just watching and talking or if the show has action a very popular fight location especially in Magical Girl and Harem Genre.

They all look the same too with a road going a long the side then a slope of grass into a flat bed of dirt up to the river, usually you can see a bridge nearby as well.

Anime Hair has really degenerated from it's original purpose to the point of any "Cool Hair Style" fits... TRS rename or trope transplant.

Manga Effects IMO shouldn't be an index just a Useful Notes. it should just outline what effects are used in Manga and in what ways (Comics use different ones or in different ways.) and all Manga Effects get translated into anime form anyway. As well as maybe a quick reference guide to the Japanese Unsound Effect s that are never translated in manga itself... (I hate that) leave the actual indexing to Japanese Art Tropes.

Bishie Sparkle is a Japanese Art Trope actual sparkles arnt unique like Nice Guy Pose and such but using it for this reason and this was however is.

edited 30th Sep '11 3:11:29 PM by Raso

Needing TRS: Bishounen Line, Anime Hair.

Airplane of Love and Artificial Riverbank still need firm decisions.

More opinions on Bishie Sparkle? It seems to get used outside of Japanese works, and I definitely remember something about "the clouds open and a beam of light shows down" on a character that was supposed to be really attractive, which is probably where some of it is from. Do not give me more "Japan thought of it and then other people just copied it" bullshit please.

Also, once we're done here, we should take care of Manga Effects. Mention that all "manga art style tropes" should be on the Japanese Visual Arts Tropes or whatever we name it. We can crowner the name later.

edited 30th Sep '11 7:23:42 PM by Deboss

Apparently Setsuna is having a little break.

Airplane of Love: I am not sure, I can not remember seeing it, neither in Japanese nor in western works. But I am not a big fan of romantic themed showes.

Artificial Riverbank: Artificial riverbanks are not uncommen in real life especially in inhabited areas. Natural riverbanks and the needs of people living next to a river tend to clash. I can't really think of any town I ever visited, which has a river without artificial banks. I dislike the fact, that the description makes it sound as if the idea of building artificial riverbanks is a purly Japanese on.

I never paid attention to the riverbanks in media , but I am pretty sure that in all kind of media nearly all the time the action takes place at a river in an inhabitated area the riverbanks will be artificial.

edited 1st Oct '11 8:21:38 AM by Osmium

I think Standard Japanese Riverbank would make a decent trope. It's like Kirk's Rock, not only is it a setting it's one that's virtually identical across all works that use it.

I think I've seen Airplane of Love, but I've only seen it Anime. I don't know if that's Anime's Genre Blender habits, or if it actually is Japan original symbolism.

Hmm, Airplane of Love is an interesting one. I've seen it in Western works, but it's almost always (or just plain always) very literal, like the Love Hina example. I.e., the airplane doesn't just "symbolize" lost love, because the lost love is physically on the airplane.

Standard Japanese Riverbank seems like a good solution for that trope. The geographic feature appears elsewhere, of course, but seldom if ever with any particular connotations beyond "there's a riverbank here."

edited 2nd Oct '11 8:30:17 AM by suedenim

Standard Japanese Riverbank is even worse. This kind of riverbanks are not limited to Japan and not different in Japan from other places on the world.

If the Artificial Riverbank is the setting , every special connection to this kind of settings result from the fact, that there is a river, not from the fact that its banks are artificial. And the description fails to tell anything connected with Artificial Riverbanks that doesn't appear in western works when bodys of water are involved.

I don't think Airplane of Love should include cases where the love interest is actually on board the airplane. That sounds like Not A Trope to me.

How is watching your love fly away on a plane not a trope? I'm really lost here.

That's not this trope though according to the description when ever there is a big romantic moment an airplane is flying by above. (or in Love Hina's case right out the window close enough to blow open curtains.... Now that I think about it, Love Hina also used a paper airplane as symbolism too with "I love you" written on it an she threw it in the final scene before the Time Skip.) Actually trying to catch up with a loved one going on a plane isn't this, however it is a trope a very very cliche one that gets made fun of a lot. Or watch a loved one get on a plane saying goodbye because of X (off to war is really common).

yeah the description needs a lot of work it only really tells what it is not how it's used.

edited 2nd Oct '11 1:09:54 PM by Raso

It's not, but the whole "identical in every single work that uses it" seems more specific than just "an artificial riverbank". For one, they've generally got a nearby bridge.

Bumpity.