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  • How is it that no parents believe in Santa...yet every Christmas, they are sure to find gifts that they did not buy under the tree? If Santa is bringing the kids what they want, then what are the parents even buying and why aren't they noticing added gifts everywhere?
    • As The Dresden Files points out, most people are eager to delude themselves into believing that the world is nice and normal and exactly as they think it is. In the case of married couples they probably think "Oh, my spouse must have got that and just not mentioned it", in the case of single parents excuses like "Huh, his grandmother must have sent it and I forgot putting it under the tree" or things like that would be made. And they make themselves believe it because to them that makes more sense than believing in Santa.
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    • Judy explains it in the first movie:
    Scott: I'm talking to an elf. And I stopped believing in Santa Claus a long time ago.
    Judy: That's not surprising. Most grownups can't believe in magic. It just... sort of grows out of them.
    • Besides, who says they don't? One of the first names on Santa's list is actor Armand Assante.
  • So what would happen if a woman somehow enacted the Santa Clause? Would she be subject a Gender Bender? Turn into Befana? Trigger the secondary "Must be married clause" from the second movie if she's a married woman and turn her husband into Santa?
    • In this troper's opinion, there'd be a balance between Gender Bender and Befana complimented (hopefully) by the Rule of Funny. A controversial idea, but a good writer could make it work!
    • Alternatively, some sort of magic ensures'that only men can enact the Santa Clause?
      • Just my thought, but she'd probably she'd turn into Mrs. Claus but get all of Santa's powers. To preserve the story, if a kid saw her she could just say "Santa's really busy this year so I'm helping out". She'd most likely be subject to some version of the Missus Clause, but whether the Santa powers would transfer to her husband upon marriage... hm. Likely the Powers That Be that Santa meets with in the second movie would rule on that. If Mrs. Clause had been doing a good job they'd probably declare she kept the powers, if she'd been just keeping her head above water until she got married they'd probably go ahead and give her new husband a shot.
      • "In putting on the suit and entering the sleigh, the wearer waives any and all rights to any previous identity, real or implied, and fully accepts the duty and responsibilities of Santa Claus, in perpetuity until such time the wearer becomes unable to do so, by either accident or design." That means, male or female, whoever puts on the suit becomes "Santa Claus." However, the "Mrs. Clause" specifically refers to "A woman of his choosing," which implies that "Santa" must be male. So either females don't fall subject to the Mrs. Clause, or females cannot be made subject to the Santa Clause in the first place, and only a male can put on the suit and become the new Santa.
  • What would happen if a kid or an animal enacted the Santa Clause?
    • Would the kid experience a epic growing up thing, and would Humanity Ensue for the animal?
      • If the Clause is a binding legal deal, then only an adult may enter into such a deal, unless the child had his parent's support and signed off as well. So no-go on animals, but it could depend on if the child was allowed to wear it by his/her parents.
      • Problem is, what a 'binding legal deal' is varies between jurisdiction and jurisdiction. In some, children can enter into contract. In others, the Clause very much is not a binding legal deal for Scott Calvin and others who became Santa in a roughly similar situation, as they were not informed of, and could not know of, the details of the contract beforehand.
      • It's not a binding legal contract, it's a binding magical contract. One that Scott agreed to, whether he read it or not, when he enacted the terms of it by putting on the suit. However, just because it's a magical contract and some of the rules are different from legal ones doesn't mean that all the rules are different. It may have some provision for people who would be incapable of fulfilling an adult role like Santa Clause... little kids, animals, people with severe mental problems, that sort of thing. Even if it doesn't, likely if a kid showed up back at the North Pole in the Santa suit, the elves would flip out and convene the council of Powers That Be to seek some sort of waiver.
  • If all Santas have to be married, what happened to the previous Mrs. Claus when Scott killed Santa in the first movie? Did she go back to her pre-Santa life? Did she die when he did?
    • Didn't they not discover the Mrs Clause until Scott's reign as Santa? Maybe no Santa has survived long enough for the Mrs Clause to factor into their contract.Which a completely different kind of Fridge Horror.
      • It may be that the only other Santas to survive long enough that the Mrs Clause would have kicked in were already married, lessening the Fridge Horror.
      • Scott was given eleven months to get his affairs in order. Mrs. Claus was presumably given the same amount of time.
      • The third movie, The Escape Clause, proves that the Magical Contracts affect time as well. If Mrs. Claus' husband invokes the Escape Clause (or dies, presumably), a "Mrs. Claus Escape Clause" is also invoked, and time is reset, erasing the memories of Mrs. Claus as well and returning her to her life before she married Santa. In the altered timeline, for example, Scott and Carol never got married.
  • If Jack Frost wanted to be Santa, why didn't he just kill Scott?
    • It'd be a hell of a lot easier. Kill Santa, grab his coat before anybody else can. Don't have to worry about time-travel shenanigans.
      • Easier, yes. But challenging? No. Sometimes villains use unnecessarily complicated schemes because the obviously simple solutions don't give as much of a challenge.
      • A better explanation would be that intentionally murdering Santa would be a lot harder than accidentally making him slip and fall off your roof by startling him.
      • Also you've got to figure that, bad as he was, Jack Frost may simply not be a cold-blooded killer. (Pun not intended.) The other Santa was effectively already dead, all Jack had to do was replace Scott as the person who caused it, which probably to him is a little different than, say, stabbing someone in the eyesocket with an icicle. Plus, y'know... it's a family movie.
      • Jack is a magical being, so is Santa. There may be some kind of pact that such beings can't such go against other too directly without it going wrong.
      • The movie states that their powers don't work on each other. And I doubt the council of legendary beings would be so forgiving of him killing another legendary being, as opposed to having no idea about Jack Frost stealing the job.
  • What's the point of a nice list if Santa doesn't deliver presents anymore? In the third movie, after Frost becomes Santa, Scott makes his way to themepark!North Pole, where Curtis offers a pass for the nice list and reveals parents pay to get their kids on it. A bit later, Frost comments that he stopped delivering the gifts and just lets anyone that can afford it come up there. So, what's the nice list for?
    • Bragging rights.
  • Is anyone else disturbed by how emotionless the Elves are at the news of the old Santa's death? They don't show any grief and in fact aren't perturbed in the slightest. Didn't they have any affection for him at all? Who was this guy? Did he have a family like Scott? He at least would have had parents. Did the Elves notify them? Let them know they wouldn't have a body to bury? Did they attend the funeral?
    • Considering how old all the elves are, it's possible they're just used to it by now.
    • Maybe they've been going through a period of getting a new Santa practically every year because incompetent guys keep getting the job, so at this point they're just resigned to it and have avoided getting emotionally attached. Note that they don't really start making an effort and engaging with Scott until he starts showing some sincere zest and aptitude for the role.
  • Why doesn't Scott just show everyone his magically growing beard to prove that he has no control over his new appearance?
    • If magic was making that beard grow and changing his physical appearance, what else could the magic revolving around the Santa Clause do? If Scott managed to get photographical or video evidence of the beard growing, magic could alter it; it could have the picture of the beard become him in his underpants, or the video now showing him singing in the shower. Either way, it's not going to let him get out of the Clause.
    • I think the point the OP was trying to make was that Scott's beard grew almost instantly after he shaved it off. Wouldn't it have been easy to invite Laura and Neil to his house, come out of the bathroom clean shaven, and then let them watch as his beard grew back? The way they talked, they thought he was trying to look like Santa, and thus not shaving at all.
      • You're missing the point of the response. Scott's beard isn't growing because his genes have been reprogrammed to grow his beard extremely fast, it's growing because of magic... magic that specifically works to assist in the Santa myth, which includes keeping the secret of his existence. If Laura and Neil came over and Scott shaved, the magic would be entirely likely to just not grow his beard while they were around, making him look even crazier, and then poof back into wavy snowy locks the moment they left.
  • Why is there no Legendary Figure for Halloween? There seems to be one for every other major Holiday (Valentine's Day, Easter, New Year's Eve/Day etc.).
    • Because there is no consistent folkloric character associated with Halloween. Baby New Year, Cupid, and the Easter Bunny are well-known characters usually thought of as singular beings, but there is no comparable "spirit of Halloween."
    • Because they couldn't get the rights to use the Great Pumpkin.
    • Samhain was supposedly an old spirit related to Halloween, but he likely would have been too...not family friendly, if the lore about sacrifices is correct.
    • Clearly Jack Skellington wasn't invited back to the meetings after the incident of '93.
  • The first female elf that Scott meets says he's "head elf" even though he obviously means he needs to talk to someone. Bernard is right there, fills an obviously supervisory role, and can answer all of his questions. Was she being deliberately obtuse? Furthermore, if Santa's title is "head elf" in 1 and we know Bernard's is the same thing in 2, why would an (admittedly high ranking and experienced) elf take Santa's title, and what would they be calling Santa now?
    • Maybe Scott delegated whatever job 'head elf' entails to Bernard, possibly being a bit less directly involved in running the North Pole than the previous Santa. With how we see Scott going around the North Pole in the second film the delegation was probably meant to give him more time to come up with new ideas, get to know and befriend the elves working for him, and probably simply to not have to personally look at paperwork as much.
    • As Santa Claus, he is the one in charge in the North Pole. Scott was just asking the wrong questions.
    Scott: Kid, who's in charge here?
    Elf: You are.
    Scott: Who gives the orders? Who's your boss?
    Elf: You are.
    Scott: No, no, no. Uh—W-Who's the head elf?
    Elf: You are.
  • When Jack goes back in time to be stop Scott from becoming Santa so he could, and we go back to present day, there is a big plot that is missing, in the second movie Scott has to get married to keep the role as Santa, so Where is Jacks Wife as Santa?
    • Fiji. He probably found someone to agree to be Mrs. Clause by agreeing to pay her to live in luxury somewhere far away from him. Goes with the style of his Christmas.
  • The clause states that "In putting on the suit and entering the sleigh, the wearer waives any and all rights to any previous identity, real or implied". And it's shown that Scott and Charlie could get into the sleigh in their normal clothes. Scott only put the suit on at the first house where they landed, because Charlie insisted. But if the person never put on the suit, and did all the deliveries in their normal clothes, would they still be fully subject to the Santa clause, or would they be allowed to return to their normal lives?
    • If he doesn't put on the suit AND enter the sleigh, he does not fall subject to the Santa Clause. Which means he does not become Santa. Which means none of the Santa Magic (the magically refilling bag of toys, the ability to go down chimneys) would occur. Therefore making it impossible to complete all the deliveries.
  • Charlie says at the end of the film that he wants to continue the "Family Business" when he grows up AKA became the next Santa. Doesn't that mean that one day he'll have to kill his dad?
    • Or his father could just retire and hand him the suit.
  • Similar to a point raised above: what happens if the person to enact the Santa Clause is LGBT? Does their sexuality get overwritten for the sake of the Santa lore, or would a gay or bi Santa be allowed to marry a man once the Mrs Clause kicks in?
  • Why does Lucy refer to her stepfather as "Uncle Scott"?
  • Neal is Charlie's stepfather (married his mother after he was born) but Scott technically isn't related to Lucy at all (used to be married to her mother before she was born). It's an Honorary Uncle title.

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