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  • Wasn't it suspicious that Edward could be seen cavorting with Two Face during the launch party?
    • People were too busy panicking to notice. He could always pass it off by saying that he was trying to reason with him if anyone saw (which was technically true). Plus, the whole thing only lasted a few minutes.
  • Wasn't it suspicious that Bruce Wayne beat up all those goons in the circus?
    • As above, everyone was panicking and the whole thing was over in a few minutes. Plus, most of Gotham already sees Bruce in a pretty heroic light, and Bruce beating up some thugs in a life-or-death situation doesn't mean he is Batman.
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    • His fighting prowess isn't quite as suspicious as standing up and screaming "I'm Batman!" beforehand.
    • Bruce looked around right after he said it; it was apparent that if anyone heard it, no one believed him. Perhaps they thought he was pulling a Heroic Sacrifice by the way of an "I Am Spartacus"?
    • Or just psyching himself up for the fight, same as an amateur boxer might shout "I'm Floyd Mayweather!" as he heads into the ring.
  • Why was Robin sent to Bruce Wayne instead of a foster home? If Bruce is willing to donate his 10 million spare rooms to put up orphans and Gothan knows this, how come they haven't sent anyone to Bruce before? Knowing that Gotham's a crapsack town, Wayne Manor would be an orphanage by now.
    • It's Gotham, the city of the legendarily corrupt. Bruce "multi-billionaire" Wayne asks, multi-billionaire gets, no questions asked. He probably didn't even have to bribe anyone, just his status would be enough for the corrupt civil service to roll over and acquiesce.
      • The question was not that but why Bruce Wayne took in just that one orphan and not any other orphan. Is he regularly a source for the police to drop off wards of the state?
      • He did it because both he and Dick have now seen their parents murdered by a maniac in front of their eyes. Bruce probably gives a lot of money and support to orphans and charities, but he took in Dick because what happened there hit close to home.
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    • It's implied, if not outright stated, that Bruce puts a fair amount of blame on himself, as Two-Face and Batman are rivals at this point, and Two-Face's actions that night, trying to flush out Batman, led to the Graysons' deaths. Taking it further, Bruce, as Batman, was unable to stop the mobster from throwing acid in Harvey Dent's face, so Bruce probably blames himself for Two-Face's existence in the first place. Taking Dick as his ward is a means of atoning for all that.
    • The bigger question is why he needed a new guardian. This version of Dick is clearly old enough to support himself.
      • I thought that was answered in the movie? He's supposed to be Under 21 and the law of whatever state Gotham is in is that kids under 21 are supposed to have a guardian, no exceptions.
  • Why did the security guards not mind being punched by the riddler?
    • Because if they didn't let Two-Face and Riddler punch them, they'd likely be shot and killed.
  • So it's completely normal for groups of kids to go trick-or-treating (without parental supervision) at Wayne Manor, even though it's on the outskirts of town?
    • Parents don't have to be hovering over their kids' shoulders the whole time they're trick-or-treating. I don't know about your neighborhood, but in mine the parents often stood well back from their kids.
    • In this tropers experience the presence of parents significantly hampers the feasibility of carrying out any nessecary tricks.
      • Besides, everyone knows rich people will have the most candy!
      • Not to mention this is Wayne Manor - justified or not, people would probably be more comfortable being there as the Wayne family were well known, well liked, and lacking in any sort of scandal. Given that this Bruce was also more aware of the need to be Bruce as well as Batman, he's probably also started to make efforts to avoid seeming like a complete idiot with no day job.
    • The problem is, Wayne Manor seems to be in the middle of nowhere. Even if the Manor grounds are entirely safe (as it happens, they aren't), it still looks like its a mile or two away from the rest of civilization.
      • Not necessarily. It's not in a cramped cul du sac, sure, but it's not unheard of for well-to-do subdivisions (especially in rural areas) to have much larger property areas, meaning houses are much more scarce and spread out. Wayne Manor is certainly isolated, but there could still be other homes on the road en route to it.
    • We only really see the one group of kids. Maybe whichever parent was chaperoning saw the long distance between the end of the driveway and the front door and decided to wait in the car and let the kids huff it to the house on their own. It's a house in the middle of the woods. Aside from the unanticipated supervillains breaking in, what could possibly go wrong so long as the kids stay on the path to the lit porch?
    • Halloween is one night of the year when Batman is going to be out from dusk till dawn, guaranteed. It's going to be Alfred who answers the door for trick-or-treaters, and he's got enough of a soft spot for kids that Wayne Manor has probably gained a local reputation as a great spot to pick up loads of candy from a very polite old man.

  • Edward's apartment and cubicle is adorned with bobbleheads and fortune teller machines of a guy that's dressed in a green suit with question marks all over it; He even takes the jacket and hat from the fortune teller machine when he meets up with Two-Face for the first time. Who is this guy?
    • This one comes from earlier script drafts, but was lost in the final cut. In those drafts, this pixie-like figure was called the "Guesser", and he probably served as the Gotham Globe's puzzles-page mascot (it's never stated what his function was). Apparently, he was popular enough that merchandise was made in his image, and his likeness licensed out for fortune-telling animatronics.

  • Who the Hell puts a deaf man in charge of guarding a bank vault?
    • He wasn't deaf. He had something to help his hearing, but he clearly wasn't deaf.
  • How did Nygma make any money on the Box? Since he designed it while he was working at Wayne Enterprises, wouldn't WE have held the patent on the thing?.
    • He had just invented it and hadn't filed for a patent yet, and Bruce Wayne himself said that the company didn't want to get involved in brain-wave technology.
      • Stickley, Edward's boss, told him to terminate the project, so it was pretty clear that until it could be a proven money-maker, absolutely no one but Edward cared enough to patent it.
    • The Novelization has some lawyers bring this up to Bruce, but he says taking Nygma to court would look too much like sour grapes. And, though this is implied and not stated outright, he wants to give Nygma enough rope to hang himself.

  • What was Edward's fascination with leaving riddles? All we hear about it is that he does it because he's obsessed with Bruce, but why is he so attached to riddles? Why not just notes of admiration and/or hatred? I get that eventually he has to become the Riddler, but still...
    • Some people just like riddles? Maybe he had OCD or asperger's syndrome?
      • Either of those disorders would have been okay explanations, but the movie never brings either up or tries to tie the riddles into his pathos at all.
    • Another question answered by the Novelization. He had an interest in riddles as a kid, and the school bully didn't like it when Edward stumped him with one. He beat him up so badly he accidentally cracked his skull and sent him into a coma. Earlier that day he'd read a newspaper report on the Waynes' murder, complete with a photograph of a crying Bruce, and thought Bruce might be similar to him. The last things he saw before going unconscious were his book of riddles, and the photograph, and when he finally awoke, he was never quite right again, and his interest in both of those things had turned into an obsession.

  • Batman states in the scene where Chase tries to seduce him that he knows Two-Face's obsession with his coin could be exploited as a weakness. So why does Batman not only wait half a dozen encounters with Two-Face later to use the trick, but wait until it was a lethal situation and decide not to follow up the distraction with one of the mook-rangling gadgets we've seen him use earlier in the movie that could safely rope Two-Face to one of the nearby steel beams?
    • You still need an opportunity to exploit it. Up until then, Two-Face hadn't given Batman an opportunity where he could turn the coin-flip to his advantage.
      • But Two-Face wasn't going to even then. Batman had to remind him to use the coin, which he could have done at any time. Evidently all it takes is to say something, and Two-Face will stop what he's doing, thank you, and give it a flip.
      • Maybe, but he wouldn't have been standing in such a precarious position. As for not catching him afterwards, movie Batman is clearly much more ok with killing villains, or at least letting them die, than the comic book one. Also, he may have done it for Dick's sake. Speeches or not, the kid was obsessed with killing Two-Face. Yes, he seemingly got over it, but then Harvy immediately betrayed his trust, which could push him back into the obsession. Bruce decided to spare him the anguish and eliminate the dilemma.

  • What was the point of the SONAR Batsuit at the end of the movie? He threw a grappling hook at a Mook while being grappled himself by another mook at the beginning, he clearly doesn't need SONAR for throwing a Batarang at a giant obvious weakpoint in Nygma's lair. They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot as well, since he could have used the SONAR for finding Robin after being jettisoned into the water. Alas.
    • Something else that was used in early drafts and the Novelization: when he makes it to Riddler's throne room, he charges forward, but notices Two-Face just quietly chuckling, and stops, realizing something's wrong. He uses the sonar to discover that between him and the villains is the pit the leads to the ocean, and it's been disguised with a hologram. Without the sonar (and Harvey's inability to keep a poker face), he probably would have fallen in.
      • Which leads to another headscratcher. Harvey Dent, district attorney, can't keep a poker face for two minutes?
      • Harvey Dent, district attorney, probably could have. But this is Harvey Dent, Two-Face we're talking about. You know, the cackling, murderous madman?

  • In the scene after Chase has been captured and the Batcave has been destroyed, Alfred and Bruce have all the riddles he's been sent gathered and are trying to deduce a pattern. They deduce that each one has a number (12, 1, 8 & 5), and that each one correlates to a letter of the alphabet (M, A, H & E). Why on earth would Bruce just throw out that 1 & 8 could be put together to make 18 and thusly stand for R to make M R E? Like, out of any of the numbers you could put together, you just decide "Oh, I'll put the middle ones together and that'll solve the riddle"? I understand he's Batman and he's been sent riddles by the Riddler, but still. It always seemed like too much of an ass-pull.
    • It's a movie shortcut. Running through the other options he would have got N.H.E or M.A.N (arguably at least meaning something) but M.R.E gives you a better standing since Mr. E is obviously more specific than MAN and when you say it outloud the "mystery" is a pretty easy conclusion to make. The point being we're not given Bruce's internal process but only the result of the deduction in the movie.
    • The movie portrays it more as a "shot in the dark". Bruce has had all but one of these riddles for days and figured out that the only connection between them was the numbers, so the "1 and 8 are 18" thing was more of an "eh, probably rubbish, but let's try it", and as it happens it was true (and of course, Nygma designed it to be so). It's just an intuitive guess on his part, and by luck it happens to be right, but it isn't that much of a stretch considering he's spent days pondering them already and in the scene in question seemed prepared to spend the rest of the night throwing out random ideas and seeing what stuck, though at least now he saw that the numbers were the key.
    • You also have to take into consideration the limits of the English alphabet, i.e. it has only 26 letters. Putting 13 & 1 together gets 131; 8 & 5 gets 85, both beyond the range of the alphabet. And putting 1 & 5 together is right out because Bruce already deduced that the order they came in was important. So if you're going to transpose numbers to letters in this fashion, with these stipulations, 1 + 8 = 18 is really the only one that fits.
    • There's a trope for this: Bat Deduction

  • Why cast a grown man to play a teenager? If you're going to choose an older actor to play Robin, why not cast a 16-18 year old for the part? I don't see Bruce talking to a 16-17 year old. I see 2 grown men.
    • It was probably a casting choice made out of obligation. Maybe Chris O'Donnell had a contract with Warner Bros. or a producer thought a teenager would be too young to get into the type of peril we see Robin in given the parental backlash the last movie received. But really, they should have done some rewrites, because a lot the dialogue makes Dick out to be even younger, like 10-13.
    • It actually makes sense. Making movies takes time and if you cast an actual teenager they're going to noticeably age, especially if you do a sequel. Casting an adult and passing it off as a late teen means the time skips are less noticeable because the actor doesn't noticeably age. They just forgot to clean up the dialogue a bit to reflect an older Robin.
    • Dick was mentioned to be a college student, which would put him approximately between 18 and 22. Chris O’Donnell was in his mid 20s, so that makes only a few years age difference.

  • Did Nigma disguise himself as his employer, or did he use some kind of video editing software to pull off that trick? As a kid, I assumed he dressed up as the boss and ran towards the window (while hamming it up). He seems crazy enough to do it.
    • Apparently, it was a computer-generated forgery. A better question is how did he erase the footage?
    • It's possible it might have been intended to be a use of his Box prototype. Rather than beam the television footage into a person, he imagine the suicide scenario and beamed the imagined memory onto the tape. Scientifically implausible? Sure. Accurate to comic book science? Definitely.

  • What exactly did Batman hit with his Batarang at the end of the film to stop the Riddler, mess up his base and what seemed to deform the guy in the end?
    • I think it was meant to be part of the machine that transferred the brainwaves of everyone using one of his boxes into his mind. Comic-book science explains why it was full of energy that wrecked the base, and I guess somehow explains his deformation?

  • The Riddler tells Chase that he's counting on Batman to come to his lair. Yet a Deleted Scene shows that there's another cave that he missed that contained the sonar suit, the Batplane and the Batboat. So why did he destroy the cave in the first place? Furthermore, why did he try to shoot Batman out of the sky?

  • Dick leaves Wayne Manor...only to show up later in full costume as Robin. What the hell prompted his change of heart? When did he decide to do this? What was he doing when Wayne Manor was attacked? There's a word for this - lazy.
    • Perhaps he just changed his mind. People tend to do that sometimes.

  • How did Batman, Robin and Chase get back to Gotham? The Batboat was blown up and the Batplane's at the bottom of the river.
    • The same way Riddler and Two-Face did.

  • So... is anyone gonna talk about Two-Face's molls Sugar and Spice just running away and never being brought up again or shown after Batman destroys The Riddler's Lair? These two ARE aware of Batman's secret identity, are they gonna spread the word and be a problem?

    • It's been a long time since I've seen it but if I remember correctly, neither of them are shown committing any crimes themselves, they're just Two-Faces arm candy and likely aren't much of a threat. Secondly, they're the arm candy of a homicidal lunatic, if they were to start blabbing about Bruce being Batman, who would believe them? Especially after said homicidal lunatic paired up with another lunatic who has a grudge against Bruce.
    • They could always reveal Batman's real identity more subtly or talk to several people under other disguises (considering how cartoonish this movie is) to make them interested to the point there's a crowd of people wanting to inspect Wayne's Manor and find out if it's true or not. Otherwise I guess they just Screw This, I'm Outta Here! and simply want to move on with their lives and not mess with Batman in case the plan backfires.
    • In the Nolan-verse a small number of savvy people have figured out who Batman is and Christian Bale's Batman didn't go to extraordinary efforts to stop it. Maybe it's the same here.
  • Why is Two-Face's beef with Batman for failing to stop his face from being scarred rather than the guy who scarred his face?
  • So, in the '89 film, Harvey Dent was played by Billy Dee Williams, but in this movie he's played by Tommy Lee Jones. There's a pretty obvious distinction between these two actors, so... how does this work In-Universe? Does Dent just have vitiligo or something?
    • It works the same way Bruce Wayne's or James Bond's being played by different actors does.


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