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  • Actor-Inspired Element: Jim Carrey helped design a lot of his costumes.
  • All-Star Cast: The movie had some of the biggest sluggers in the business on the cast at time of release, particularly Carrey, Kidman and Jones.
  • Awesome, Dear Boy: Val Kilmer jumped at the chance to play Batman, signing on without having read the script or knowing who the director was.
  • Beam Me Up, Scotty!: Folks, nowhere in this movie does Batman say "Chicks dig the car"; it's what Robin says in the Call-Back to this movie in Batman & Robin. What Batman actually says is:
    Batman: It's the car, right? Chicks love the car.
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  • Breakaway Pop Hit: U2's "Hold Me Thrill Me Kiss Me Kill Me". Seal's "Kiss from a Rose" technically doesn't count, as it was originally a single from his self-titled second album and had been featured in a separate film soundtrack prior to Forever's release.
  • B-Team Sequel: Tim Burton had discussions about returning to direct a potential third Batman movie after Batman Returns, but left production after feeling that the studio wasn't too keen on his latest ideas. Burton's third film was reportedly titled Batman Continues and would've featured the Scarecrow as the main antagonist along with Two-Face and the Riddler. With Burton out, Danny Elfman also didn't return; Michael Keaton would end up leaving as well.
  • Creator Backlash:
    • Not against the movie itself, but Tim Burton, the film's producer, hated the movie's title, saying that it "sounds like a tattoo that somebody would get when they're on drugs or something. Or something some kid would write in the yearbook", according to his 2000 autobiography, Burton on Burton.
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    • Nicole Kidman didn't dislike making the movie overall but she did state she wished Chase had more depth and action scenes, saying "I wish I had more of a role, though. [...] It’s great being the girl in the Batman movie. But I’m an actor and you go, 'Gosh I want more to do.' So I would still love to do some sort of superhero movie where I get to do the cool stuff." She eventually got her wish after being cast as Atlanna in Aquaman (2018).
  • Creator-Chosen Casting:
  • Dawson Casting: Even given Dick's Age Lift to late teens at the time Bruce took him in, Chris O'Donnell was still 25 at the time.
  • Deleted Scene: Many scenes were filmed but deleted from the film; other scenes had footage removed, and not all are present in the home video releases.
    • The escape of Two-Face from Arkham Asylum. René Auberjonois had another scene filmed here in the role of Doctor Burton, but his role was reduced in the final film. He discovers Two-Face's escape, encountering his psychologist hanged (non-fatally; we can still hear him struggling and trying to speak) in Two-Face's cell with "The Bat Must Die" written in blood on the wall. This was supposed to be the film's opening scene, but producers decided this was far too dark for a family audience. This scene appears in the comic adaptation and the novelization.
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    • When Two-Face addresses the crowd from the helicopter in the opening action scene, the speech was truncated and several lines that appeared in the Theatrical Trailer were removed, including the line "If the Bat wants to play, we'll play!"
    • There was a sequence that contained an extended fight scene between Two-Face and Batman, where they both struggle for control of the helicopter. In this scene, Two-Face accuses Batman of being "a killer too" (a continuity reference to the previous Burton films). Two-face then manages to escape by the parachute, after Batman realizes he has locked the steering wheel into position. This sequence is included in rough form on the special-edition DVD; the "You're a killer too" line is referenced in the novel (in a different context).
    • A scene right before Edward Nygma arrived at Wayne Manor. It featured Bruce Wayne watching a local Gotham talk show with Chase Meridian as a guest, talking about Batman.
    • One scene right before Riddler and Two-face team up featured a little conversation with Dick and Bruce in the gym of the manor. This would explain why Dick suddenly has martial arts training. This scene appears in a rough edit on the special-edition DVD.
    • The scene where the Riddler fails to punch a security guard out. The guard is then brutally beaten by the Riddler using his cane.
    • One sequence came directly after the casino robbery, where Batman follows a robbery signal on a tracking device in the Batmobile. He shows up at the crime scene and finds he is at the wrong place (a beauty salon), in which a room full of girls laugh at him. The Riddler had been throwing Batman off the track by messing with the Batmobile's tracking device. This would explain why in the theatrical version Batman seems to give Riddler and Two-Face moments of free rein over the city. This scene appears in a rough edit on the special-edition DVD.
    • The construction of Nygma Tech was after Batman solves the third riddle and was more in-depth. There were scenes shot that appear in publicity stills of Edward Nygma with a hard hat helping with the construction of his headquarters on Claw Island.
    • Sugar and Spice try out the Riddler's device during the montage when it goes on sale. They are seated with the Riddler and Two-Face on the couch where Chase is handcuffed later in the film. This scene appears in the comic adaptation but not in the final film.
    • There was originally a scene after the montage of Alfred and Bruce examining the Nygma Tech "Box".
    • An extended scene established Bruce in the Batcave shortly after having discussed with Dick then that this would have saved his life after the battle with Two-Face in the subway system under construction. In this scene he is appreciated as the GNN news (Bruce watching in the Batcomputer) attacking Batman and Two-Face after the battle in the Subway and after that Bruce talking to Alfred turns into the dilemma of continuing to be Batman and try a normal life with Chase. Like the deleted Helicopter fight sequence, this scene also makes reference to Batman himself being "a killer", and in the original production screenplay, this scene was to contain footage from Batman Returns, specifically taken from the rooftop fight scene with Catwoman. This would explain why in the theatrical version Bruce turns off all the systems in the Batcave telling Dick he gives up being Batman. This scene appears in a rough form on the special-edition DVD.
    • Another scene in the Wayne Manor raid sequence was longer, featuring Bruce and Chase fighting Two-Face and his thugs.
    • The scene involving Chase Meridian on the couch originally included a longer ending where the Riddler injects her with a green sleeping agent so he can easily place her in the small tube with the trap door.
    • Bruce waking up after being shot in the head by Two-Face, temporarily forgetting his origin and life as the Dark Knight. Alfred takes him to the Batcave, which has been destroyed by the Riddler. They stand on the platform where the Batmobile was, and Alfred says, "Funny they did not know about the cave beneath the cave." The platform then rotates downward to another level where the sonar-modification equipment is kept, from the special Batsuit to the hi-tech weaponry. Bruce then discovers the cavern where he first saw the giant bat that inspired him to become Batman. Inside he finds his father's red diary which he had dropped when he first fell into the Batcave after his parents death. He reads the entry about him insisting his parents take him to the theater to see a show the same night they were killed. He realizes he had misread it, and his father had written 'even though Bruce insists, we wanted to see Zorro so his show will have to wait until next week'. Bruce realizes his parents death was not his fault after all. The giant bat then appears and Bruce raises his arms to match the wing anatomy of the bat and the shot shows that they are one. Bruce now remembers who he is and goes with Alfred to solve the riddles left throughout the film. Screenwriter Akiva Goldsman admitted the scene was very theatrical on the special-edition DVD and felt it would have made a difference to the final cut. The bat was designed and created by Rick Baker, who was in charge of the make-up of Two-Face. This scene appears in a rough form on the special-edition DVD.
      • Speaking of the giant bat, it was apparently part of the movie long enough for it to appear as a boss in the Acclaim arcade game, suggesting its deletion came late in production.
    • The fight scene between Two-Face and Robin on Claw Island was originally longer.
    • The original ending was similar in style to the previous Batman films, which had involved a scene with Alfred in the limousine, the camera tracking upward through the Gotham cityscape, followed by a rooftop shot involving a silhouetted hero (Batman in the original, Catwoman in Batman Returns) facing the Bat Signal. When Alfred drives Doctor Chase Meridian back to Gotham she asks him "Does it ever end, Alfred?" Alfred replies, "No, Doctor Meridian, not in this lifetime..." The Bat-Signal shines on the night sky and Batman is standing on a pillar looking ahead. Robin then comes into shot and joins his new partner. They both leap off the pillar, towards the camera. A rough edit of the first half of the scene appears on the special-edition DVD, but not in its entirety.
  • Executive Meddling: After Batman Returns received backlash from parents over its dark tone, Warner Bros. took control over Batman Forever to push it in a more family friendly direction. See What Could Have Been below.
  • Fake American: Jim Carrey, Canadian by birth, as Riddler. Also, Aussie Nicole Kidman.
  • Flip-Flop of God: In several interviews interviews he did to promote the film and after that, Joel Schumacher said he never considered Forever as the third film of the Burton film series as he considered it as the first film of his film series instead, while Warner Bros. execs thought otherwise. Fans who liked the Burton films would've likely agreed with Schumacher, considering The Other Darrin for Harvey Dent and Bruce Wayne as well as the inconsistencies surrounding the visions of the two directors. This was later supported Sam Hamm who says that the Schumacher films take place on Earth-97 as opposed to Earth-89, the designation used for the Batman Film Series in Crisis on Infinite Earths (2019). Given how Hamm is now writing the Batman '89 comic, which ignored the events of Batman Forever and Batman & Robin, while the 2022 film, The Flash, will do the same by having Michael Keaton reprise his role, this would suggest that the Schumacher films are indeed seperate from the Burton films.
  • Friendship on the Set: Val Kilmer befriended Jim Carrey while making the film, as they bonded over the fact that they had both lost their fathers. Carrey also befriended Nicole Kidman, who considers him her best male friend.
  • Hostility on the Set:
    • The working relationship between director Joel Schumacher and actor Val Kilmer was said to be very, very bad. Tellingly, Joel does not talk much about Val in his audio commentary for the film.
    • There were reports that Tommy Lee Jones disliked Jim Carrey, so much so that he wouldn't even have lunch with him. According to Carrey, the first time he met Jones, the veteran actor growled, "I cannot sanction your buffoonery." Which is funny considering Jones would spend his entire screentime trying to out-ham the ham master Carrey. Of course, Carrey accidentally nailing Jones in the groin with a cane at one point probably didn't help either.
    • In one of his last interviews before he passed away, Schumacher said that Jones was jealous of Carrey's popularity on set, as Jones was used to being the Ensemble Dark Horse in films. He also had just won an Academy Award for his role in The Fugitive and gained a swelled head, and felt Carrey (who does not have the same honor) was beneath him.
  • Magnum Opus Dissonance: Most people don't have very strong views on Val Kilmer as Batman with the kindest opinion being that he was good but had bad material to work with. Despite this, Bob Kane thought he played the role best.
  • Missing Trailer Scene: In multiple trailers, there is a scene where Two-Face says "If the Bat wants to play, we'll play!" This line/scene never made into the theatrical release. The line was even used in the Genesis/SNES video game adaptation of the film.
  • No Stunt Double: Val Kilmer did many of the fight scenes in the bat suit himself, including the opening scene where he fights Two-Face's henchmen.
  • Old Shame: Only if you read it out of context. Val Kilmer enjoyed working on this film and everyone involved and would have been interested in returning once his schedule cleared up, but (fortunately for him) Batman & Robin continued without him. But he was quoted as saying "I've done an absurdly commercial cartoon and now I'm more likely to get hired for a job I couldn't get hired for before because I hadn't done enough movies. It's so rare when an actor gets hired because he's right for the role, it just doesn't figure into it." (In Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, Kilmer's character Perry shows up and says virtually the same thing to Robert Downey Jr..) He later stated that The Dark Knight Trilogy was the kind of Batman film he wanted to make.
  • Orphaned Reference:
    • The title seems odd to many audience members until they realize it is in reference to a line of dialogue that was in a deleted scene.
    • When Bruce sees the Batsignal shining from Wayne Enterprises, sirens can be heard in the background, even though the signal turns out to be a false alarm Chase lit in order to get his attention. This was due to scene reshuffling that happened during post-production: Bruce seeing the Bat-signal initially led to Two-Face's heist at the bank, while the scene with Chase at the rooftop occurred after the circus incident (with redubbing to change her line from the circus to the bank).
  • The Other Darrin: Two of them!
    • Michael Keaton briefly met with Joel Schumacher about reprising his role as Batman from the first two films, but decided not to join the project after deciding that he didn't like the direction in which Schumacher was looking to take the franchise. When asked about his decision to turn down the offer, Keaton responded with this.
      Keaton: To lighten up and brighten it up and be a cartoon was of no interest to me.
    • Tommy Lee Jones replaced Billy Dee Williams as Harvey Dent/Two-Face. Contrary to popular belief, Williams was only contracted for one Bat-film to begin with (that being, of course, Batman), and did not have his contract bought out, nor was he ever even approached about playing Two-Face (until The LEGO Batman Movie, at least).
    • In a brief third example, rather than use archive footage, the Wayne murder is re-shot with new actors.
  • Playing Against Type: Tommy Lee Jones, who usually plays stoic Deadpan Snarker type characters, even in comedic movies where he's usually The Comically Serious, here plays Two-Face as an incredibly loony, off the wall villain the 1960s Adam West Batman style.
  • Promoted Fanboy:
  • Real-Life Relative: Chris O'Donnell's sister can be seen directly behind him in the party scene where Robin is first introduced to the public.
  • Role Reprise:
  • Sending Stuff to Save the Show: A small movement arose in 2021 to have the "Schumacher Cut" released following the one that successfully caused Zack Snyder's Justice League to be released, due to the amount of scenes that were cut from the film.
  • So My Kids Can Watch: Tommy Lee Jones signed on as Two-Face because it was his son's favorite character.
  • Throw It In: As per usual with many of his roles, Jim Carrey improvised a lot of quirks and one-liners for The Riddler (such as the jogging at night joke) that weren't in the script. Schumacher would film two different takes for Carrey's scenes, letting him improvise in the second.
  • What Could Have Been: See here
  • Working Title: Shot under the codename Blinko.
  • You Look Familiar: Elizabeth Sanders-Kane, the then-wife of Batman co-creator Bob Kane, previously appeared as Gothamite #4 in Batman Returns. She played Gossip Gerty in this movie, as well as Batman & Robin.