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  • Actor-Inspired Element: Jim Carrey helped design a lot of his costumes.
  • All-Star Cast: The movie had some of the biggest sluggers in the business on the cast at time of release, particularly Carrey, Kidman and Jones.
  • Awesome, Dear Boy: Val Kilmer jumped at the chance to play Batman, signing on without having read the script or knowing who the director was.
  • Beam Me Up, Scotty!: Folks, nowhere in this movie does Batman say "Chicks dig the car"; it's what Robin says in the Call-Back to this movie in Batman & Robin. What Batman actually says is:
    Batman: It's the car, right? Chicks love the car.
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  • Breakaway Pop Hit: U2's "Hold Me Thrill Me Kiss Me Kill Me". Inverted with Seal's "Kiss From A Rose" (it was released the year before, but only became a smash hit after its inclusion) - the music video heavily featured the film.
  • B-Team Sequel: To the two Tim Burton-helmed Batman films.
  • Dawson Casting: Chris O'Donnell is 25 playing a character that, at this stage of the storyline, is supposed to be a tween at the oldest. Bruce Wayne does suggest he's around college age or at an age when he should be considering or preparing for it, but still...
  • Executive Meddling: See What Could Have Been below.
  • Fake American: Jim Carrey, Canadian by birth, as Riddler. Also, Aussie Nicole Kidman.
  • Hostility on the Set:
    • The working relationship between director Joel Schumacher and actor Val Kilmer was said to be very, very bad. Tellingly, Joel does not talk much about Val in his audio commentary for the film.
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    • There were also reports that Tommy Lee Jones disliked Jim Carrey, so much so that he wouldn't even have lunch with him. According to Carrey, the first time he met Jones, the veteran actor growled, "I do not sanction your buffoonery." Which is funny considering Jones would spend his entire screentime trying to out-ham the ham master Carrey.
  • Life Imitates Art: Nygma's dream was to put a black-and-green Box in every home, turning people into brain-drained zombies. Six years later Microsoft's black-and-green Xbox debuted, soon appearing in homes around the world, with parents complaining it turned their children into brain-drained zombies. Coincidence? Perhaps...
  • Magnum Opus Dissonance: Most people don't have very strong views on Val Kilmer as Batman with the kindest opinion being that he was good but had bad material to work with. Despite this, Bob Kane (Batman's co-creator) thought he played the role best.
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  • Missing Trailer Scene: In multiple trailers, there is a scene where Two-Face says "If the Bat wants to play, we'll play!" This line/scene never made into the theatrical release. The line was even used in the Genesis/SNES video game adaptation of the film.
  • Old Shame: Only if you read it out of context. Val Kilmer enjoyed working on this film and everyone involved (Schumacher possibly excluded, see Troubled Production below) and would have been interested in returning once his schedule cleared up, but (fortunately for him) Batman & Robin continued without him. But he was quoted as saying "I've done an absurdly commercial cartoon and now I'm more likely to get hired for a job I couldn't get hired for before because I hadn't done enough movies. It's so rare when an actor gets hired because he's right for the role, it just doesn't figure into it." (In Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, Kilmer's character Perry shows up and says virtually the same thing to Robert Downey Jr..)
  • Orphaned Reference: The title seems odd to many audience members until they realize it is in reference to a line of dialogue that was in a deleted scene.
  • The Other Darrin: Two of them!
    • Val Kilmer replaced Michael Keaton, who bowed out as Bruce Wayne/Batman after seeing — and disliking — the Lighter and Softer treatment.
    • Tommy Lee Jones replaced Billy Dee Williams as Harvey Dent/Two-Face. Contrary to popular belief, Williams was only contracted for one Bat-film to begin with (that being, of course, Batman), and did not have his contract bought out, nor was he ever even approached about playing Two-Face (until The LEGO Batman Movie, at least).
    • In a brief third example, rather than use archive footage, the Wayne murder is re-shot with new actors.
  • Playing Against Type: Tommy Lee Jones, who usually plays stoic Deadpan Snarker type characters, even in comedic movies, here plays Two-Face as an incredibly loony, off the wall villain the 1960s Adam West Batman style.
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  • Real-Life Relative: Chris O'Donnell's sister can be seen directly behind him in the party scene where Robin is first introduced to the public.
  • Role Reprisal: In the French dub, instead of being voiced by Jim Carrey's official voice actornote , the Riddler/Edward Nygma is voiced by Vincent Violette, reprising his role from Batman: The Animated Series.
  • So My Kids Can Watch: Tommy Lee Jones signed on as Two-Face because it was his son's favourite character.
  • What Could Have Been:
    • William Baldwin and Ethan Hawke were approached for the role of Bruce Wayne before Val Kilmer was cast. The latter turned down the offer due to fears of being typecast as the iconic comic book character. However, Hawke later admitted that he regrets turning down the part due to the career opportunities it could've opened up for him.
    • Robin Williams was initially offered the role of Edward Nygma, but turned it down due to his anger at Warner Bros. for being previously used as bait to lure Jack Nicholson into committing to play The Joker in Batman (1989).
    • Billy Dee Williams, who previously portrayed Harvey Dent in the first movie, reportedly had a clause put into his contract to reserve the part of Two-Face for him in any potential sequels, which the studio had to buy out in order to cast Tommy Lee Jones instead.
    • Leonardo DiCaprio and Marlon Wayans had discussions for the role of Dick Grayson before Chris O'Donnell was cast. Wayans was originally cast as Robin when Tim Burton was attached to the film, but Joel Schumacher wasn't interested in portraying the character with a Race Lift.
    • Rene Russo was originally cast as Chase Meridian when Michael Keaton was still attached to the film. However, when Keaton dropped out of the project, Russo was deemed "too old" to play the character and was subsequently sacked from the part.
    • Michael Keaton briefly met with Schumacher about reprising his role as Batman from the first two films, but decided not to join the project after deciding that he didn't like the direction in which Schumacher was looking to take the franchise. When asked about his decision to turn down the offer, Keaton responded with this.
      Keaton: To lighten up and brighten it up and be a cartoon was of no interest to me.
    • Tim Burton had discussions about returning to direct a potential third Batman movie after Batman Returns, but left production after feeling that the studio wasn't too keen on his latest ideas. Burton's third film was reportedly titled "Batman Continues" and would've featured The Scarecrow as the main antagonist along with Two-Face and The Riddler.
    • The original version of Batman Forever, before it was edited to make it more family-friendly. Most notable is the movie originally opens with Two-Face escaping Arkham with "The Bat Must Die" scribbled in blood on the wall (making the ending visit to Riddler in Arkham Book-Ends), further developing Bruce's motivations for retiring from being Batman and an entire story beat after being shot in the head where he got Laser-Guided Amnesia of being Batman and has to revisit the cavern where he first encountered a swarm of bats (a traditional part of Batman lore). The novelization retains most of these sequences, several of the cut scenes appeared in the music videos for the movie, and the comic book adaptation includes a little more violence, specifically the large pools of blood around the fallen Graysons.
    • The cuts also would have changed the chronology of scenes in the finished cut: The Batsignal seen by Bruce at Wayne Enterprises is being helmed by Chase in the final cut, but it would've originally summoned him to the bank after Dent escaped Arkham in the deleted opener (which would explain the sirens Bruce hears when he sees it), and the scene with Chase on the roof would've been slotted before the Batmobile chase where it climbs the wall (with redubbing done to change the location from the circus to the bank).
    • Early concepts of the final showdown on Claw Island had a huge, muscled, Riddler sitting on his throne when Batman finds him. The Riddler twists the two skulls on his armrests and the Riddler's muscled body is revealed to be a shell which splits in two, from which the real Riddler (wearing his white and green jumpsuit) steps out. This "Big Riddle" form of the Riddler was retained for the final showdown with him in the SNES and Genesis video game adaptations.


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