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** Demona goes over it truly in "City of Stone", [[spoiler:where she ends up breaking, and thus murdering, an untold number of humans turned to stone]].

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** Demona goes over it truly in "City of Stone", [[spoiler:where she ends up breaking, and thus murdering, an untold number of humans turned to stone]]. She also crossed it when she destroyed Fortress One for no other reasons than killing a bunch of humans who weren't even responsible for stealing from Xanatos.
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** After Demona destroyed Fortress one, you can see several Cyberbioctics personnel jumping on the water just as a massive explosion took out the ship. How many died during that night?
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* TastesLikeDiabetes: From the perspective of Anton Sevarius, Angela making fast friends with Nessie (the Nessie of Loch Ness, to be precise) falls under this trope.
-->'''Sevarius:''' If it gets any more saccharine in there, I'm going to put a finger down my throat.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: The Weird Sisters are quite popular for their enigmatic nature and [[HotWitch their looks.]]

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** Odin is only in two season 2 episodes, but his DefrostingTheIceQueen characterization and status as one of the most powerful characters in the show ensure that he has his fans.
** Fox, the affable but ruthless CulturedBadass with some BigEgoHiddenDepths moments appears in far fewer episodes than her [[UnholyMatrimony ally turned husband Xanatos]] but isn't far behind him in popularity.
** The Renaissance Hunter with the {{Steampunk}} glider and [[RuggedScar impressive set of scars visible through his dark hood]] makes a powerful impression on some fans despite only getting one scene.
** The Magus is decently liked for the amount of CharacterDevelopment and OldMaster feats he gets after becoming TheAtoner.

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* SpiritualSuccessor: "The Hound of Ulster" is essentially an adaptation of the debut of ComicBook/TheMightyThor in ComicBook/JourneyIntoMystery #83. A modern person discovers an old stick/cane underground which turns out to be the disguised weapon of a mythological god/hero, which transforms him into said god/hero. Greg regrets this similarity.

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"The Hound of Ulster" is essentially an adaptation of the debut of ComicBook/TheMightyThor in ComicBook/JourneyIntoMystery #83. A modern person discovers an old stick/cane underground which turns out to be the disguised weapon of a mythological god/hero, which transforms him into said god/hero. Greg regrets this similarity.
** Another example in ''Gargoyles'' would be the episode "The New Olympians" being heavily influenced by ComicBook/TheEternals, ComicBook/TheInhumans and ComicBook/NewGods.
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* SpiritualAdaptation: "The Hound of Ulster" is essentially an adaptation of the debut of ComicBook/TheMightyThor in ComicBook/JourneyIntoMystery #83. A modern person discovers an old stick/cane underground which turns out to be the disguised weapon of a mythological god/hero, which transforms him into said god/hero. Greg regrets this similarity.

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* SpiritualAdaptation: SpiritualSuccessor: "The Hound of Ulster" is essentially an adaptation of the debut of ComicBook/TheMightyThor in ComicBook/JourneyIntoMystery #83. A modern person discovers an old stick/cane underground which turns out to be the disguised weapon of a mythological god/hero, which transforms him into said god/hero. Greg regrets this similarity.

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* FunnyAneurysmMoment:
** This exchange between Elisa and Xanatos in the third episode seems a lot less funny when [[spoiler: we see Xanatos ruling Manhattan as his own private nation in "Future Tense"]].
-->'''Xanatos''': The truth is that my men repelled an invasion by a rival corporation trying to steal some of our new technology.\\
'''Elisa''': "Repelled an invasion"? You're a private citizen, Xanatos, not a country!
** In a perhaps less "funny" and more ironic sense. Early on Xanatos warned Goliath that New Yorkers would soon start hunting Gargoyles, and that he would be the clan's only salvation. Skip ahead to the episode "Hunter's Moon"; a mob of angry New Yorkers are about to start a riot to kill the "monsters," and [[spoiler:Xanatos saves them by offering them a ride in his helicopter.]] Later still, in "Angels in the Night" you see that the Gargoyles are still hunted and persecuted by New Yorkers, [[spoiler: and Xanatos helping the clan out of a trap set up by the Quarrymen]].


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** This exchange between Elisa and Xanatos in the third episode seems a lot less funny when [[spoiler: we see Xanatos ruling Manhattan as his own private nation in "Future Tense"]].
-->'''Xanatos''': The truth is that my men repelled an invasion by a rival corporation trying to steal some of our new technology.\\
'''Elisa''': "Repelled an invasion"? You're a private citizen, Xanatos, not a country!
** Early on Xanatos warned Goliath that New Yorkers would soon start hunting Gargoyles, and that he would be the clan's only salvation. Skip ahead to the episode "Hunter's Moon", where a mob of angry New Yorkers are about to start a riot to kill the "monsters", and Xanatos saves them by offering them a ride in his helicopter. Later still in "Angels in the Night", you see that the Gargoyles are still hunted and persecuted by New Yorkers, and Xanatos helping the clan out of a trap set up by the Quarrymen.
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** On youtube there is a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzu3IT590h4&ab_channel=GregXB3 compilation of cool lines said by Xanatos]], concluding with a picture saying "[[TakeThat Eat your heart out]], [[ComicBook/LexLuthor Lex]]". Guess who Luthor is quoting at one point in ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice''.

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** On youtube there is a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzu3IT590h4&ab_channel=GregXB3 compilation of cool lines said by Xanatos]], concluding with a picture saying "[[TakeThat Eat your heart out]], [[ComicBook/LexLuthor Lex]]". Guess who Luthor is quoting at one point in ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice''.''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice2010''.
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** Xanatos basically ''[[ItMakesSenseInContext dresses up as Goliath every night.]]''
** WordOfGod is that the Banshee does have some feelings for Rory/Cu Chullain, and there was a possibility this would have been explored further had the series continued.
** WordOfGod says Demona was "a little bit in love" with Macbeth when they had their alliance in the tenth century, and that when she posed as human and hooked up with him they absolutely had sex. She also hates him more than she hates most humans. There's also "High Noon", where they are magicked to work together and snipe and snarl at one another the whole time, but also cooperate really well and act like they trust each other.
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** The New Olympians claim that their ancestors were persecuted, and indeed their accounts match the way gargoyles had always been treated by humans. However, unlike gargoyles, a willingness to use their abilities to bully the less powerful seems to be the rule rather than the exception among the New Olympians. Perhaps there is a valid reason that their ancestors are remembered as monsters. Or maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle.
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* CaptainObviousReveal: Angela being Goliath and Demona's daughter wasn't that hard to figure out since she basically looks like Demona with Goliath's color scheme.
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* SugarWiki/DevelopmentHeaven: The team went to insane lengths to make the show as realistic as possible. Creator/GregWeisman keeps up an ongoing blog to close up every possible plot hole (and every question, if it does not ask for spoilers, will be answered), and has done so for ''15 years now''. The foreign language is accurate, the historical people are accurate, the magic is consistent, the gargoyles have ([[HollywoodScience by the standards of Hollywood]]) a believable biology rather than just being magic, and every single character is complex to unbelievable levels.
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** The Magus has this pretty hard. After The Wyvern Massacre, and because of his cursing Goliath's clan and him, Magus spent the rest of his life completely filled with guilt and unworthiness. So much so that he did not act on his feelings for Princess Katherine and watched her and Tom's romance bloom. He saw raising Goliath's Clan's children as his atonement, which Goliath wholeheartedly thanks him before he died protecting them.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: One of the big reasons why ''The Goliath Chronicles'' is FanonDiscontinuity is a waste of potential. The closure for the characters in the show could've been handled a lot better. A case can be made with Demona in "Generations", where she could've had a proper HeelFaceTurn. But instead, after being rejected by her daughter, Angela, for manipulating her to get Goliath killed in a plot to be welcomed back into the clan, she cries after watching Angela leave with the clan, [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome and is never seen or heard from again.]] The fact that TGC was loaded with {{Filler}} didn't help matters either.

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One of the big reasons why ''The Goliath Chronicles'' is FanonDiscontinuity is a waste of potential. The closure for the characters in the show could've been handled a lot better. A case can be made with Demona in "Generations", where she could've had a proper HeelFaceTurn. But instead, after being rejected by her daughter, Angela, for manipulating her to get Goliath killed in a plot to be welcomed back into the clan, she cries after watching Angela leave with the clan, [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome and is never seen or heard from again.]] The fact that TGC was loaded with {{Filler}} didn't help matters either.either.
** In "Kingdom" Brooklyn tries to talk Talon out of [[LeeroyJenkins attacking Xanatos]] because if Xanatos isn't responsible for Goliath and Elisa's disappearance he doesn't want to let Xanatos know Goliath is missing. Brooklyn is proven right and it's implied Xanatos will take advantage of Goliath's absence. Xanatos is never seen taking advantage of Goliath's absence (in truth Goliath's presence never really inhibited him) before encountering the Avalon travelers in Arizona.
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** Demona, a gargoyle, flitting about [[WesternAnimation/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame Notre Dame]]... In a dark and serious animated property by Disney, no less.

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** Demona, a gargoyle, flitting about [[WesternAnimation/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame [[WesternAnimation/TheHunchbackOfNotreDameDisney Notre Dame]]... In a dark and serious animated property by Disney, no less.
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* GrowingTheBeard: Many fans point to "City of Stone" as the point when ''Gargoyles'' made the jump from an above-average ActionAdventure cartoon to a true epic with multi-layered characters and complex story arcs. It introduced [[BelatedBackstory surprisingly detailed backstories]] for Macbeth and Demona (leading to major CharacterDevelopment for both), but it also featured the first official alliance between [[TheChessmaster David Xanatos]] and the gargoyles--firmly cementing Xanatos as the unpredictable [[TheChessmaster Chessmaster]] that we know and love.

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* GrowingTheBeard: Many fans point to "City of Stone" as the point when ''Gargoyles'' made the jump from an above-average ActionAdventure cartoon to a true epic with multi-layered characters and complex story arcs. It introduced [[BelatedBackstory surprisingly detailed backstories]] backstories for Macbeth and Demona (leading to major CharacterDevelopment for both), but it also featured the first official alliance between [[TheChessmaster David Xanatos]] and the gargoyles--firmly cementing Xanatos as the unpredictable [[TheChessmaster Chessmaster]] that we know and love.
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* ArcFatigue: The World Tour took a really long time to complete, though Greg Weisman insists to this day it would have been better received if the show didn't have to go on hiatus several times due to the episodes not being ready. He also admits he greatly underestimated the popularity of the Trio, and it was a mistake to remove them from the show for so long.

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* ArcFatigue: The World Tour took a really long time to complete, though Greg Weisman insists to this day it would have been better received if the show didn't have to go on hiatus several times due to the episodes not being ready.ready (the OJ Simpson case causing pre-emptions didn't help). He also admits he greatly underestimated the popularity of the Trio, and it was a mistake to remove them from the show for so long.
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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: Given the fandom's reaction to [[FanonDiscontinuity season 3]], some fans see Greg as the true storyteller of the series...which is ironic, as Wiseman doesn't have a single writing credit ''until'' season 3. The storytelling in the highly regarded seasons 1 and 2 is often the work of writers Michael Reaves, Brynne Chandler Reaves, Gary Sperling, and Steve Perry -- all of whom left after season 2.

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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: Given the fandom's reaction to [[FanonDiscontinuity season 3]], some fans see Greg as the true storyteller of the series...which is ironic, as Wiseman doesn't have a single writing credit ''until'' season 3. The storytelling in the highly regarded seasons 1 and 2 is often the work of writers Michael Reaves, Brynne Chandler Reaves, Gary Sperling, and Steve Perry -- all of whom left after season 2.series.
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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: Given the fandom's reaction to [[FanonDiscontinuity season 3]], most people see Greg as the true storyteller of the series.

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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: Given the fandom's reaction to [[FanonDiscontinuity season 3]], most people some fans see Greg as the true storyteller of the series.series...which is ironic, as Wiseman doesn't have a single writing credit ''until'' season 3. The storytelling in the highly regarded seasons 1 and 2 is often the work of writers Michael Reaves, Brynne Chandler Reaves, Gary Sperling, and Steve Perry -- all of whom left after season 2.

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* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: If the now largely-outdated 90s tech (flip phones, CRT monitors) didn't tip you off, the presence of the World Trade Center towers in the skyline definitely does.
** Not to mention the portable VHS player Owen handed to Xanatos in "Enter Macbeth", complete with a build-in viewscreen.

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* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: If the now largely-outdated 90s tech (flip phones, CRT monitors) didn't tip you off, the presence of the World Trade Center towers in the skyline definitely does.
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does. Not to mention the portable VHS player Owen handed to Xanatos in "Enter Macbeth", complete with a build-in viewscreen.
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* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: If the now largely-outdated 90s tech (flip phones, CRT monitors) didn't tip you off, the presence of the World Trade Center towers in the skyline definitely does.
** Not to mention the portable VHS player Owen handed to Xanatos in "Enter Macbeth", complete with a build-in viewscreen.
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** Maggie goes with a man she had just met in an alley after he offers her ambiguously-described employment. She's ''lucky'' the man was a mad scientist whose only intention was to mutate her.
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** Lexington [[spoiler:was never really able to get over being duped by the Pack, though he eventually forgives Fox, if only for the sake of baby Alexander.]]

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: The Weird Sisters are quite popular for their enigmatic nature and [[HotWitch their looks.]]



* EnsembleDarkhorse: The Weird Sisters are quite popular for their enigmatic nature and [[HotWitch their looks.]]
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* EscapistCharacter: David Xanatos. Xanatos is rich, successful, charismatic, handsome, a fighter capable of taking on the world's greatest warriors in single combat, and so intelligent that he [[XanatosGambit named]] two [[XanatosSpeedChess planning tropes]], always coming out on top. The catch? He's the ''villain''. Though the Gargoyles are our heroes, and Xanatos must often be stopped for the good of others, it's hard not to want to ''be'' the EvilGenius Xanatos is presented as.

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** Xanatos went over it for Elisa in "Metamorphosis". It's unlikely she'll ever forgive him completely.



** The Pack all get one, [[spoiler:when they irreversibly change their bodies into stronger but more monstrous forms, with the exception of AntiVillain Dingo, who goes for a suit of powered armor that of course does nothing to change his actual body.]]

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** The Pack Jackal crosses it when he uses the power of Anubis to try and wipe out all get one, [[spoiler:when they irreversibly change their bodies into stronger but more monstrous forms, with life in the exception world, wiping out an entire city in the process of AntiVillain Dingo, who goes for a suit of powered armor that of course does nothing to change his actual body.]]attempt.



** By extension, the Captain of the Guard crossed it by betraying his castle to Hakon and reluctantly allowing Hakon to commit the massacre. Unlike most of the examples above, he [[TheAtoner decided to make amends by stopping Hakon from reviving himself via Goliath's life energy]].
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped:
** "Deadly Force." They wanted to push AnAesop about gun safety in there, and they pulled it off perfectly.
** "City of Stone" was anything but subtle in conveying the Aesop that killing never solves anything, but the scene in which the Weird Sisters and Goliath stop Macbeth from killing Demona wouldn't have been nearly as powerful otherwise.
** Simiarly, "City of Stone" did not pull punches hammering in the importance of accepting responsibility for mistakes so as not to repeat them, particularly Demona's NeverMyFault attitude caused her to repeat the cycle of [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betraying allies]] and [[CreateYourOwnVillain creating enemies]] until she was the LastOfHerKind (in Scotland), and still does so because she [[IgnoredEpiphany refuses to admit]] that [[RevengeBeforeReason her thirst for vengeance]] is the cause of [[HerOwnWorstEnemy her own misery]]. As hard as it is to swallow pride and admit fault, it's an important lesson for ''anyone'' to learn.
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** Maggie Reed. While it's understandable that she'd be upset at the unfortunate circumstances that ended up getting her mutated, she's generally seen as overly whiny and constantly making situations worse, from acting ungrateful and aggressive towards the Manhattan Clan despite their going out of their way to help her and keep her save, to causing Talon to send Fang and Claw to attack the Clan at their home after Maggie revealed it to the other mutates, all while whining that she never meant to. Her being TheLoad despite having enhanced strength, speed, agility and the ability to shoot electricity also puts her firmly in Scrappy territory, as she's entirely useless in a fight, despite still having enhanced strength speed, agility, flight and electric blasts; Thailog's attack on the Labytinth in the comics is especially egregious, as while Talon and Claw put up a fight, Maggie just stands there, stupidly asking Thailog why he's attacking them, not onl not contributing anything but basically making herself an easy target for an attack, with predictable results.

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** Maggie Reed. While it's understandable that she'd be upset at the unfortunate circumstances that ended up getting her mutated, she's generally seen as overly whiny and constantly making situations worse, from acting ungrateful and aggressive towards the Manhattan Clan despite their going out of their way to help her and keep her save, safe, to causing Talon to send Fang and Claw to attack the Clan at their home after Maggie revealed it to the other mutates, all while whining that she never meant to. Her being TheLoad despite having enhanced strength, speed, agility and the ability to shoot electricity also puts her firmly in Scrappy territory, as she's entirely useless in a fight, despite still having enhanced strength strength, speed, agility, flight and electric blasts; Thailog's attack on the Labytinth Labyrinth in the comics is especially egregious, as while Talon and Claw put up a fight, Maggie just stands there, stupidly asking Thailog why he's attacking them, not onl only not contributing anything but basically also making herself an easy target for an attack, with predictable results.

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* TheScrappy: Derek Maza/Talon, for constantly holding the IdiotBall. He constantly believes in everything Xanatos tells him despite that normally, anyone would start getting suspicious of someone like Xanatos who's working with a MadScientist on mutating people. It gets worse when it was confirmed that he did listen to the tape Eliza gave him and still believes his every word. And when he gets mutated he blames Goliath entirely for it even though part of it was his own fault. This made him rather [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic unsympathetic]] to many viewers instead of the opposite. Even after his HeelFaceTurn, he still gets the IdiotBall and makes [[NiceJobBreakingItHero poor and rash decisions]] that ended up causing consequences later on in the series.
* SignatureSeriesArc: The City of Stone episodes. It greatly up'd the stakes of the show to this point and it revealed the tragic backstories of Demona and Macbeth and why they hate each other so much. It also had Demona kill several people on-screen, introduced the [[EnsembleDarkhorse Weird Sisters,]] and had one of the show's main arc words near the end.

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Derek Maza/Talon, for constantly holding the IdiotBall. He constantly believes in everything Xanatos tells him despite that normally, anyone would start getting suspicious of someone like Xanatos who's working with a MadScientist on mutating people. It gets worse when it was confirmed that he did listen to the tape Eliza gave him and still believes his every word. And when he gets mutated he blames Goliath entirely for it even though part of it was his own fault. This made him rather [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic unsympathetic]] to many viewers instead of the opposite. Even after his HeelFaceTurn, he still gets the IdiotBall and makes [[NiceJobBreakingItHero poor and rash decisions]] that ended up causing consequences later on in the series.
** Maggie Reed. While it's understandable that she'd be upset at the unfortunate circumstances that ended up getting her mutated, she's generally seen as overly whiny and constantly making situations worse, from acting ungrateful and aggressive towards the Manhattan Clan despite their going out of their way to help her and keep her save, to causing Talon to send Fang and Claw to attack the Clan at their home after Maggie revealed it to the other mutates, all while whining that she never meant to. Her being TheLoad despite having enhanced strength, speed, agility and the ability to shoot electricity also puts her firmly in Scrappy territory, as she's entirely useless in a fight, despite still having enhanced strength speed, agility, flight and electric blasts; Thailog's attack on the Labytinth in the comics is especially egregious, as while Talon and Claw put up a fight, Maggie just stands there, stupidly asking Thailog why he's attacking them, not onl not contributing anything but basically making herself an easy target for an attack, with predictable results.
* SignatureSeriesArc: The City of Stone episodes. It greatly up'd upped the stakes of the show to this point and it revealed the tragic backstories of Demona and Macbeth and why they hate each other so much. It also had Demona kill several people on-screen, introduced the [[EnsembleDarkhorse Weird Sisters,]] and had one of the show's main arc words near the end.
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** In ''Grief'', Angela's line about "stopping the Franchise/{{avatar|TheLastAirbender}}".
*** On the subject regarding an unrelated work called Film/{{Avatar}}, one of the gargoyles that Elisa Maza, Goliath, and Angela meet in Guatemala in the episode "The Green" looks uncannily alike a Na'vi with wings. To add to that, the episode also happened to have a GreenAesop as well.

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