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* The MoralEventHorizon is meant to be a point where a character is established as so depraved, monstrous, and evil that there is absolutely no believable way to redeem them. However, it tends to get used as "someone acts like a jerk" and "anything that I think is the worst thing a character did", even if the character gets redeemed in the end. Also, many examples have more than one MEH per character, which is impossible; if a character has already been established as completely irredeemable, they cannot be [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment established as completely irredeemable again]]. There's also a tendency to mistake it with a character being a CompleteMonster, but a character can cross this line ''without'' achieving that status. Finally, it's used to [[Administrivia/ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike complain about poor writing]], as "the moment that establishes this character as a DesignatedHero and/or UnintentionallyUnsympathetic". When it was known as Rape the Dog, this led to people listing cases where the villain ''literally'' raped someone, or had sex with an animal, which are two completely different tropes (RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil and BestialityIsDepraved).

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* The MoralEventHorizon is meant to be a point where a character is established as so depraved, monstrous, and evil that there is absolutely no believable way to redeem them. However, it tends to get used as "someone acts like a jerk" and "anything that I think is the worst thing a character did", even if the character gets redeemed in the end. Also, many examples have more than one MEH per character, which is impossible; if a character has already been established as completely irredeemable, they cannot be [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment established as completely irredeemable again]]. There's also a tendency to mistake it with a character being a CompleteMonster, but a character can cross this line ''without'' achieving that status. Finally, it's used to [[Administrivia/ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike complain about poor writing]], as "the moment that establishes this character as a DesignatedHero and/or UnintentionallyUnsympathetic". When it was known as Rape the Dog, this led to people using it as [[Administrivia/TheSameButMore "Kick The Dog, But More So"]], or listing cases where the villain ''literally'' raped someone, or had sex with an animal, which are two completely different tropes (RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil and BestialityIsDepraved).
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* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist is often confused with BelievingTheirOwnLies. It's not just that the person has to ''claim'' that their cause is for a good outcome, but that there has to be some sign that it ''could'' be for a good outcome if it was taken with [[WellIntentionedExtremist good intentions and means]]. If the person simply claims it but does nothing to show they have a good cause, they're an example of someone BelievingTheirOwnLies. The "not-so-well-intentioned" part refers to the character needing to claim a good outcome in the first place; if there's no such thing present and the outcome is completely self-serving, the character never had good intentions from the beginning.

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* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist is often confused with BelievingTheirOwnLies. It's not just that the person has to ''claim'' that their cause is for a good outcome, but that there has to be some sign that it ''could'' be for a good outcome if it was taken with [[WellIntentionedExtremist good intentions and means]]. If the person simply claims it but does nothing to show they have a good cause, they're an example of someone BelievingTheirOwnLies. The "not-so-well-intentioned" part refers to the character needing to claim a good outcome in the first place; place, and not just be a "badly-intentioned extremist", which is just a normal extremist; if there's no such thing present and the outcome is completely self-serving, the character never had good intentions from the beginning.
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* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist is often confused with BelievingTheirOwnLies. It's not just that the person has to ''claim'' that their cause is for a good outcome, but that there has to be some sign that it ''could'' be for a good outcome if it was taken with [[WellIntentionedExtremist good intentions and means]]. If the person simply claims it but does nothing to show they have a good cause, they're an example of someone BelievingTheirOwnLies.

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* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist is often confused with BelievingTheirOwnLies. It's not just that the person has to ''claim'' that their cause is for a good outcome, but that there has to be some sign that it ''could'' be for a good outcome if it was taken with [[WellIntentionedExtremist good intentions and means]]. If the person simply claims it but does nothing to show they have a good cause, they're an example of someone BelievingTheirOwnLies. The "not-so-well-intentioned" part refers to the character needing to claim a good outcome in the first place; if there's no such thing present and the outcome is completely self-serving, the character never had good intentions from the beginning.
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* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist is often confused with BelievingTheirOwnLies. It's not just that the person has to ''claim'' that their cause is for a good outcome, but that there has to be some sign that it ''could'' be for a good outcome if it was taken with [[WellIntentionedExtremist good intentions and means]]. If the person simply claims it but does nothing to show they have a good cause, they're an example of someone BelievingTheirOwnLies.
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* MadeOfIron is when a character is affected by injuries far less than they realistically should be. If a work gives an in-canon reason for the character's resilience, such as wearing armor, having SuperToughness, or [[LiteralMinded being literally made of iron]], it does not count as this trope.
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* Who is [[invoked]]MarySue? For a mainly FanFiction trope, she's piled up a great number of dubious {{Canon}} examples. See [[invoked]]CanonSue, which is another mess. Both on Website/TVTropes and across the Internet, the term Mary Sue is often incorrectly used to refer to any OC in fanfiction who has a prominent role, is stereotypically feminine, or exclusively has positive character traits. While many true Mary Sues have these traits, a character only qualifies as a Mary Sue if they greatly overshadow the canon characters with how they're portrayed. Regardless, the trope turned out to be so FlameBait-y that listing any character as a(n unintentional)[[invoked]]MarySue is not allowed anywhere on the wiki.

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* Who is [[invoked]]MarySue? For a mainly FanFiction trope, she's piled up a great number of dubious {{Canon}} examples. See [[invoked]]CanonSue, which is another mess. Both on Website/TVTropes and across the Internet, the term Mary Sue is often incorrectly used to refer to any OC in fanfiction who has a prominent role, is stereotypically feminine, or exclusively has positive character traits. While many true Mary Sues have these traits, a character only qualifies as a Mary Sue if they greatly overshadow the canon characters with how they're portrayed. Regardless, the trope turned out to be so FlameBait-y that listing any character as a(n unintentional)[[invoked]]MarySue unintentional)[[invoked]] MarySue is not allowed anywhere on the wiki.
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* OneWayVisor means a visor, not lenses. A visor is like a pair of goggles with temple-arms instead of a strap or the faceplate of a helmet. Doesn't stop people from adding [[ComicBook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws Red Hood]] and Franchise/SpiderMan.

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* OneWayVisor means a visor, not lenses. A visor is like a pair of goggles with temple-arms instead of a strap or the faceplate of a helmet. Doesn't stop people from adding [[ComicBook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws Red Hood]] and Franchise/SpiderMan.ComicBook/SpiderMan.
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* LightIsGood is for heroic characters or organizations with [[LightEmUp light powers]], an association with holy powers and are "good" creatures like Angels or Unicorns. It is not any nice character that happens to wear white clothing.
* LightIsNotGood is supposed to be for villains that use [[LightEmUp Light powers]], holy magic, or are part of traditionally good creatures like Angels and unicorns. Similarly characters called holy or explicitly associated with light can qualify. It is not supposed to be for villains that happen to wear clothes of the color, white, especially when they're also a horrifying evil being like a ScarySkeleton or GhastlyGhost.
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* TheLastOfTheseIsNotLikeTheOthers only applies to dialogue, but is often used for what's BreakingOldTrends. The trope eventually became Administrivia/InUniverseExamplesOnly to combat the misuse.
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* ObviousBeta is often used to complain about games that are buggy and/or feel rushed upon release, but while it may be a byproduct of rushing, it is actually about games who's initial release is so badly broken, it's practically unplayable, and has nothing to do with the amount of time it spent in development.

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* ObviousBeta is often used to complain about games that are buggy and/or feel rushed upon release, but while it may be a byproduct of rushing, it is actually about games who's whose initial release is so badly broken, it's practically often unplayable, and has nothing to do with the amount of time it spent in development.



* OhCrap is an ''in-universe'' reaction, but it is commonly potholed to reflect viewer/editor instances of metaphorically crapping their pants.

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* OhCrap is an ''in-universe'' reaction, but it is commonly potholed [[Administrivia/PotholeMagnet potholed]] to reflect viewer/editor instances of metaphorically crapping their pants.
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* A PrecisionFStrike is when a swear word is used in a work that otherwise features very little strong language, or by a character who normally doesn't use such words, for the purpose of emphasizing how serious the situation has become or how important a certain line is. It's not just "this sentence only has one instance of 'fuck' in it", but it gets misused in this manner very often, often by putting a gratuitous {{Pothole}} over the swear regardless of the sentence's importance.
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* This is why Needs a Better Descrpition and Needs Wiki Magic Love were moved to Administrivia & subsequently renamed to Administrivia/PagesNeedingABetterDescription and Administrivia/PagesNeedingWikiMagic, respectively; they were constantly being gratuitously used as predefined messages on newly-created work pages that users felt needed help, instead of being treated like indexes for works that needed adjustments.

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* This is why Needs a Better Descrpition and Needs Wiki Magic Love were moved to Administrivia & subsequently renamed to Administrivia/PagesNeedingABetterDescription and Administrivia/PagesNeedingWikiMagic, respectively; Administrivia/PagesNeedingWikiMagic respectively, with the old names being turned into [[Administrivia/PermanentRedLinkClub permanent red links]]; they were constantly being gratuitously used as predefined messages on newly-created work pages that users felt needed help, instead of being treated like indexes for works that needed adjustments.
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* This is why Needs a Better Descrpition and Needs Wiki Magic Love were moved to Administrivia & subsequently renamed to Administrivia/PagesNeedingABetterDescription and Administrivia/PagesNeedingWikiMagic, respectively; they were constantly being gratuitously used as predefined messages on newly-created work pages that users felt needed help, instead of being treated like indexes for works that needed adjustments.
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* LightmareFuel is meant to be NightmareFuel that is PlayedForLaughs. It is not just NightmareFuel in an otherwise lighthearted work, that would be SurpriseCreepy.

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* LightmareFuel is meant to be NightmareFuel that is PlayedForLaughs. It is not just NightmareFuel in an otherwise lighthearted work, that would be SurpriseCreepy.a SurprisinglyCreepyMoment.
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* {{Mondegreen}} was Administrivia/InUniverseExamplesOnly, meaning it involves a ''character'' mishearing something InUniverse, not simply ''viewers'' mishearing something. Due to excessive misuse, it has been turned into a DefinitionOnly page and replaced with MondegreenGag.

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* {{Mondegreen}} was Administrivia/InUniverseExamplesOnly, meaning it involves a ''character'' mishearing something InUniverse, not simply ''viewers'' mishearing something. Due to excessive misuse, it has been turned into a DefinitionOnly page DefinitionOnlyPage and replaced with MondegreenGag.



* MrFanservice is supposed to be about one hot male character (or a few of them) who provides fanservice for the straight/bi female (and gay/bi male) audience. The examples consist mostly of "here is a list of several dozen characters from show X that I found hot."

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* MrFanservice is supposed and MsFanservice refer to be about one hot male character (or a few of them) who provides fanservice for the straight/bi female (and gay/bi male) audience. The examples consist mostly of "here is a list of several dozen characters from show X that I found hot."who stand out among the cast due to being more overtly sexualized. They wear [[{{Stripperiffic}} skimpier clothes]], are [[{{Hunk}} more muscular]] or [[BuxomBeautyStandard better-endowed]], have more MaleGaze or FemaleGaze shots of them, and/or are placed in "sexy" situations more often than other characters. Many people abuse this trope to simply list characters they personally find attractive, regardless of how they're treated by the work itself.
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* The MoralEventHorizon is meant to be a point where a character is established as so depraved, monstrous, and evil that there is absolutely no believable way to redeem them. However, it tends to get used as "someone acts like a jerk" and "anything that I think is the worst thing a character did", even if the character gets redeemed in the end. Also, many examples have more than one MEH per character, which is impossible; if a character has already been established as completely irredeemable, they cannot be [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment established as completely irredeemable again]]. Lastly, there's a tendency to mistake it with a character being a CompleteMonster, but a character can cross this line ''without'' achieving that status. When it was known as Rape the Dog, this led to people listing cases where the villain ''literally'' raped someone, or had sex with an animal, which are two completely different tropes (RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil and BestialityIsDepraved).

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* The MoralEventHorizon is meant to be a point where a character is established as so depraved, monstrous, and evil that there is absolutely no believable way to redeem them. However, it tends to get used as "someone acts like a jerk" and "anything that I think is the worst thing a character did", even if the character gets redeemed in the end. Also, many examples have more than one MEH per character, which is impossible; if a character has already been established as completely irredeemable, they cannot be [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment established as completely irredeemable again]]. Lastly, there's There's also a tendency to mistake it with a character being a CompleteMonster, but a character can cross this line ''without'' achieving that status.status. Finally, it's used to [[Administrivia/ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike complain about poor writing]], as "the moment that establishes this character as a DesignatedHero and/or UnintentionallyUnsympathetic". When it was known as Rape the Dog, this led to people listing cases where the villain ''literally'' raped someone, or had sex with an animal, which are two completely different tropes (RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil and BestialityIsDepraved).



* TheMovie is "a heavily expanded, one-shot episode of a TV series usually meant for theatrical distribution". However, people commonly mistake it for "any film adaptation" when other tropes like TheFilmOfTheBook would in fact apply. If a work's premise prominently features one specific trope, there's also a good chance that TheMovie will be use as part ([[Administrivia/ZeroContextExample or as the entirety]]) of that trope's entry, as in "Trope: TheMovie".

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* TheMovie is "a heavily expanded, one-shot episode of a TV series usually meant for theatrical distribution". However, people commonly mistake it for "any film adaptation" when other tropes like TheFilmOfTheBook would in fact apply. If a work's premise prominently features one specific trope, there's also a good chance that TheMovie will be use used as part ([[Administrivia/ZeroContextExample or as the entirety]]) of that trope's entry, as in if "Trope: TheMovie".TheMovie" meant "a movie that's all about this trope".
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* MagnificentBastard. Doesn't help that the definition was so vague in the first place; however, efforts to nail down a concrete definition have done little to stem the flood. (It also doesn't help that the {{Trope Namer|s}}, Erwin Rommel, is actually a WorthyOpponent). One of the most common misuses is being someone being acknowledged as this when they're actually just TheChessmaster. Misuse has also happened with characters who have irrecoverable {{Villainous Breakdown}}s, characters who are far too evil to count, or characters who aren't evil at all. Due to the strict definition, this is one of the only tropes on the wiki where every single example must be approved by a perpetual cleanup thread.

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* MagnificentBastard. Doesn't help that the definition was so vague in the first place; however, efforts to nail down a concrete definition have done little to stem the flood. (It also doesn't help that the {{Trope Namer|s}}, Erwin Rommel, is actually a WorthyOpponent). One of the most common misuses is being someone being acknowledged as this when they're actually just TheChessmaster. Misuse has also happened with characters who have irrecoverable {{Villainous Breakdown}}s, characters who are far too evil to count, or characters who aren't evil at all. Due to the strict definition, this is one of the only tropes on the wiki where every single example must be approved by a perpetual cleanup thread.
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* LetsGetDangerous is supposed to be "a moment in the story when all the quirky, eccentric supporting cast stops being quirky and eccentric and start demonstrating their real skill." For some reason, people keep confusing this with CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass. The fact that the TropeNamer is the show's main character, and a CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass himself, probably lends to some of the confusion.

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* LetsGetDangerous is supposed to be "a moment in the story when all the quirky, eccentric supporting cast stops being quirky and eccentric and start demonstrating their real skill." For some reason, people keep confusing this with CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass. The fact that the TropeNamer {{Trope Namer|s}} is the show's main character, and a CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass himself, probably lends to some of the confusion.



* MagnificentBastard. Doesn't help that the definition was so vague in the first place; however, efforts to nail down a concrete definition have done little to stem the flood. (It also doesn't help that the TropeNamer, Erwin Rommel, is actually a WorthyOpponent). One of the most common misuses is being someone being acknowledged as this when they're actually just TheChessmaster. Misuse has also happened with characters who have irrecoverable {{Villainous Breakdown}}s, characters who are far too evil to count, or characters who aren't evil at all. Due to the strict definition, this is one of the only tropes on the wiki where every single example must be approved by a perpetual cleanup thread.

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* MagnificentBastard. Doesn't help that the definition was so vague in the first place; however, efforts to nail down a concrete definition have done little to stem the flood. (It also doesn't help that the TropeNamer, {{Trope Namer|s}}, Erwin Rommel, is actually a WorthyOpponent). One of the most common misuses is being someone being acknowledged as this when they're actually just TheChessmaster. Misuse has also happened with characters who have irrecoverable {{Villainous Breakdown}}s, characters who are far too evil to count, or characters who aren't evil at all. Due to the strict definition, this is one of the only tropes on the wiki where every single example must be approved by a perpetual cleanup thread.
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* MemeticLoser is often misapplied to who or what is shown, portrayed as, or are objectively (TheAllegedCar, TierInducedScrappy) ineffectual or when their intended effectuality is an InformedAttribute. All examples must explain why the loser reputation, intentional or otherwise, is unfairly exaggerated. It also isn't for [[Administrivia/ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike complaining about characters you don't like]].

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* MemeticLoser is often misapplied to who or what is shown, portrayed as, or are objectively (TheAllegedCar, TierInducedScrappy) (such as TheAllegedCar) ineffectual or when their intended effectuality is an InformedAttribute. All examples must explain why the loser reputation, intentional or otherwise, is unfairly exaggerated. It also isn't for [[Administrivia/ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike complaining about characters you don't like]].
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* {{Narm}} is for scenes that were intended to be dramatic but were undercut by things that caused it to be seen as unintentionally funny. It does not apply if scenes were supposed to be funny, fall flat but not in a way that's considered funny, or things that aren't scenes (like a a character's entire vocal performance).

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* {{Narm}} is one of the most misused AudienceReactions on the site. It's meant to be for scenes that were intended to be dramatic dramatic, but were undercut by things that caused it to be seen as unintentionally funny. It does not apply if scenes were supposed Instead, it's often used to be funny, fall flat but not in a way that's considered funny, complain about bad writing, acting, or things that aren't scenes (like directing, regardless of whether the results actually cause a a character's entire vocal performance).humorous response. It's also sometimes applied to ''intentionally'' comedic scenes.
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* A LethalJokeItem is an item that is normally a bad in a gameplay sense, but can be made deadly in the right circumstances. Unfortunately, it's misused for weapons that look funny or goofy, but are otherwise just as good as others. That's NerfArm.
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* A LightningBruiser is a character that is fast, strong, and tough. The first two traits alone aren't enough to qualify.

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* A LightningBruiser is a character that is fast, strong, faster, stronger, and tough.tougher than other characters in a setting. The first two traits alone aren't enough to qualify.
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* PrecisionFStrike, as the description says, only applies to characters who don't swear often, if at all, maybe -- ''maybe'' -- if the swear is obviously supposed to be part of the drama of a significant moment. Of course, it gets applied to characters who swear all the time, and to moments that aren't the least bit dramatic. And that's not even getting into the number of pages where any single use of the word "fuck" is {{Pot Hole}}d to this trope as if F-bombs in and of themselves [[Administrivia/PeopleSitOnChairs are a trope]].
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* PortingDisaster is a trope for games whose ports to other systems are ''much'' worse than they were on the original hardware (hence the “Disaster” part of the trope). It is not for cataloguing every single minor issue that makes a port slightly worse than the original.

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* PortingDisaster is a trope for games whose ports to other systems are ''much'' worse than they were on the original hardware (hence the “Disaster” part of the trope). It is not for cataloguing nitpicking every single minor issue that makes a port slightly worse than the original.
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* PortingDisaster is a trope for games whose ports to other systems are ''much'' worse than they were on the original hardware (hence the “Disaster” part of the trope). It is not for cataloguing every single minor issue that makes a port slightly worse than the original.
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* MesACrowd is a ''plot'' trope about using the power of SelfDuplication to get your tasks done. It is frequently misused to refer to the power itself or characters using it a means to get an advantage over their foes (the latter of which would fall under DoppelgangerAttack instead).

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* MesACrowd is a ''plot'' trope about using someone trying to clone themselves in order to accomplish a task, usually leading to [[GoneHorriblyWrong unexpected consequences]] that the power of SelfDuplication original has to get your tasks done. deal with. It is frequently misused to refer to ''characters'' with the power itself or characters using it a means to get an advantage over their foes (the latter of which would fall under DoppelgangerAttack instead).SelfDuplication.
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* Who is MarySue? For a mainly FanFiction trope, she's piled up a great number of dubious {{Canon}} examples. See CanonSue, which is another mess. Both on Website/TVTropes and across the Internet, the term Mary Sue is often incorrectly used to refer to any OC in fanfiction who has a prominent role, is stereotypically feminine, or exclusively has positive character traits. While many true Mary Sues have these traits, a character only qualifies as a Mary Sue if they greatly overshadow the canon characters with how they're portrayed. Regardless, the trope turned out to be so FlameBait-y that listing any character as a(n unintentional) MarySue is not allowed anywhere on the wiki.

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* Who is MarySue? [[invoked]]MarySue? For a mainly FanFiction trope, she's piled up a great number of dubious {{Canon}} examples. See CanonSue, [[invoked]]CanonSue, which is another mess. Both on Website/TVTropes and across the Internet, the term Mary Sue is often incorrectly used to refer to any OC in fanfiction who has a prominent role, is stereotypically feminine, or exclusively has positive character traits. While many true Mary Sues have these traits, a character only qualifies as a Mary Sue if they greatly overshadow the canon characters with how they're portrayed. Regardless, the trope turned out to be so FlameBait-y that listing any character as a(n unintentional) MarySue unintentional)[[invoked]]MarySue is not allowed anywhere on the wiki.



* A PeripheryHatedom is when a work has a specific target audience that enjoys it, but people outside of that group are upset that a work dares not to appeal to them specifically. Many examples simply explain why people dislike a work, which is [[Administrivia/ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike not something we want on this wiki.]]

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* A PeripheryHatedom [[invoked]]PeripheryHatedom is when a work has a specific target audience that enjoys it, but people outside of that group are upset that a work dares not to appeal to them specifically. Many examples simply explain why people dislike a work, which is [[Administrivia/ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike not something we want on this wiki.]]
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* OvershadowedByControversy is not just for any work that has ever had a controversy about it, the controversy has to be better known than anything else about the work. It isn't for works that caused divided opinions in the fandom, those are actually cases of BrokenBase or ContestedSequel. It ''definitely'' isn't for anything that only a VocalMinority raised a stink about, the controversy has to overshadow the work's other qualities in the mind of the general public. A work getting negative reviews doesn't count as a controversy on its own. Some tropers also like to jump the gun and add examples for works that only recently became the subject of controversy, without waiting to see if the controversy will actually end up overshadowing the work or not. This item also is not about works that have gained any sort of recognition for being rare and hard to find. That's KeepCirculatingTheTapes and DancingBear. Finally, this isn’t for [[ListOfTransgressions listing every single bad thing a creator has done]]. If they are mainly known for being controversial and nothing else, it isn’t this item.

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* OvershadowedByControversy is not just for any work that has ever had a controversy about it, the controversy has to be better known than anything else about the work. It isn't for works that caused divided opinions in the fandom, those are actually cases of BrokenBase or ContestedSequel. It ''definitely'' isn't for anything that only a VocalMinority raised a stink about, the controversy has to overshadow the work's other qualities in the mind of the general public. A work being poorly-made, having a large [[invoked]] {{Hatedom}}, or getting negative reviews [[Administrivia/ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike doesn't count as a controversy on its own.own]]. Some tropers also like to jump the gun and add examples for works that only recently became the subject of controversy, without waiting to see if the controversy will actually end up overshadowing the work or not. This item also is not about works that have gained any sort of recognition for being rare and hard to find. That's KeepCirculatingTheTapes and DancingBear. Finally, this isn’t for [[ListOfTransgressions listing every single bad thing a creator has done]]. If they are mainly known for being controversial and nothing else, it isn’t this item.
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Per TRS, Old Shame's original definition was merged with Creator Backlash (so popularity isn't a factor with the latter), while Old Shame is now an in-universe trope


* For a work to qualify as an OldShame, it has to be something which the creator is so ashamed of or repulsed by that they actively try to distance themselves from it. It doesn't mean any work which has been criticized by its creator for any reason.
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* Who is MarySue? For a mainly FanFiction trope, she's piled up a great number of dubious {{Canon}} examples. See CanonSue, which is another mess. Both on Wiki/TVTropes and across the Internet, the term Mary Sue is often incorrectly used to refer to any OC in fanfiction who has a prominent role, is stereotypically feminine, or exclusively has positive character traits. While many true Mary Sues have these traits, a character only qualifies as a Mary Sue if they greatly overshadow the canon characters with how they're portrayed. Regardless, the trope turned out to be so FlameBait-y that listing any character as a(n unintentional) MarySue is not allowed anywhere on the wiki.

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* Who is MarySue? For a mainly FanFiction trope, she's piled up a great number of dubious {{Canon}} examples. See CanonSue, which is another mess. Both on Wiki/TVTropes Website/TVTropes and across the Internet, the term Mary Sue is often incorrectly used to refer to any OC in fanfiction who has a prominent role, is stereotypically feminine, or exclusively has positive character traits. While many true Mary Sues have these traits, a character only qualifies as a Mary Sue if they greatly overshadow the canon characters with how they're portrayed. Regardless, the trope turned out to be so FlameBait-y that listing any character as a(n unintentional) MarySue is not allowed anywhere on the wiki.

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