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Creator/GeorgeRRMartin is a big fan of this saga, and [[InspirationForTheWork drew some of his inspirations]] for ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' from it. He even pushed for a new translation and publication in English, calling it ''"The original Series/GameOfThrones"'', no less!
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Creator/GeorgeRRMartin is a big fan of this saga, and [[InspirationForTheWork drew some of his inspirations]] for ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' from it. He even pushed for a new translation and publication in English, calling it ''"The original Series/GameOfThrones"'', no less!less! It particularly applies to Martin's ''Literature/FireAndBlood'' and the series adapting it, ''Series/HouseOfTheDragon''.
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* CorruptHick: The Cressay family, [[OlderThanTheyThink half a millennium or so before there even were hicks.]]
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* SimpleSolutionWontWork: Phillipe IV is holding a council to decide what to do with UsefulNotes/TheKnightsTemplar (he had them arrested and tortured so as to break their power and avoid paying back the colossal debt he owed them, and several of them publicly recanted their false confessions) and asks his son Louis for his opinion. Louis (who is completely incompetent as a statesman) suggests sending them to the Pope, which gets an exasperated look from his father and his usual "Louis, be quiet". Sending the Templars back to the Pope would mean starting the entire trial back from the beginning (which took seven years).
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* InadequateInheritor: Louis is obviously one from the very start, as best evidenced by an early scene where Philippe asks his council what to do with the KnightsTemplar.
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* LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters: Most of them sporting similar first names and titles, so be very careful about family names and serial numbers.
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** If Marigny hadn't had intercepted a letter from Marguerite to her husband (which would finally allow Louis to divorce her), both he and she would live, and the whole matter would be resolved peacefully.
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** If Marigny hadn't had intercepted a letter from Marguerite to her husband (which would finally allow Louis to divorce her), both he and she would live, and the whole matter would be resolved peacefully. Mahaut would not have murdered Louis to put Philippe on the throne for him to free her daughter, Philippe would not have passed the Salic Law to secure his claim over his niece's, Edward III would not have used that law to justify his own claim to the kingdom of France over Philippe's daughters, and the Hundred Year War might not have happened.
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* SingleTargetLaw: The infamous "[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salic_law Salic law]]" that [[HeirClubForMen prevents a woman or descendants thereof from inheriting land]] is an integral plot point and causes much of the conflict in the latter part of the series. In reality the law was all but forgotten by that point, with later jurists ([[Theater/HenryV and Shakespeare]]) retroactively using it to justify the exclusion of women from the line of succession.
** The law is dug up by Philippe V to prevent his "[[MamasBabyPapasMaybe alleged]]" niece Jeanne (daughter of his deceased brother Louis X) from inheriting the throne[[note]]or rather, Jeanne's family and the Burgundian faction, as she's still a child at that point[[/note]], despite the dubious legality of expanding the ancestral law of a single region to all French territory, interpreting it as applying to the woman's line rather then just the woman, and the irony of Phillipe V only being on the throne thanks to female machinations, his mother-in-law Mahaut d'Artois having [[spoiler:poisoned both Louis X and his posthumous son]] (in reality both are believed to have died of natural causes). Philippe is named regent and is then crowned king after the infant king dies, then everything starts going wrong:
** Philippe V's son dies during a TimeSkip, and when Philippe dies, he had only daughters, so the throne goes to his inept brother Charles. Charles also dies without issue, so the throne goes to their cousin Philippe of Valois.
** Philippe V's sister Isabelle of France (married to the English king Edward II) argues that Philippe IV's grandson Edward III (her son) should inherit the throne of France rather than his nephew (and from a pragmatic standpoint, Edward is shaping up to be a much better ruler). Unfortunately, the French have no intention of giving up the rest of their territory to an Englishman (as most of France's Atlantic coast belonged to English nobles at that point), so France and England [[UsefulNotes/HundredYearsWar end up going to war (again)]].
** The law is dug up by Philippe V to prevent his "[[MamasBabyPapasMaybe alleged]]" niece Jeanne (daughter of his deceased brother Louis X) from inheriting the throne[[note]]or rather, Jeanne's family and the Burgundian faction, as she's still a child at that point[[/note]], despite the dubious legality of expanding the ancestral law of a single region to all French territory, interpreting it as applying to the woman's line rather then just the woman, and the irony of Phillipe V only being on the throne thanks to female machinations, his mother-in-law Mahaut d'Artois having [[spoiler:poisoned both Louis X and his posthumous son]] (in reality both are believed to have died of natural causes). Philippe is named regent and is then crowned king after the infant king dies, then everything starts going wrong:
** Philippe V's son dies during a TimeSkip, and when Philippe dies, he had only daughters, so the throne goes to his inept brother Charles. Charles also dies without issue, so the throne goes to their cousin Philippe of Valois.
** Philippe V's sister Isabelle of France (married to the English king Edward II) argues that Philippe IV's grandson Edward III (her son) should inherit the throne of France rather than his nephew (and from a pragmatic standpoint, Edward is shaping up to be a much better ruler). Unfortunately, the French have no intention of giving up the rest of their territory to an Englishman (as most of France's Atlantic coast belonged to English nobles at that point), so France and England [[UsefulNotes/HundredYearsWar end up going to war (again)]].
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** One example are Edward III and Philippa of Hainault, who are second cousins. (Edward's maternal grandfather was Philippe IV and Philippa's paternal grandfather was Philippe's younger brother, Charles de Valois).
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** One example are Edward III and Philippa of Hainault, who are second cousins. (Edward's maternal grandfather was Philippe IV and Philippa's paternal maternal grandfather was Philippe's younger brother, Charles de Valois).
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* NotSoDifferent: Robert and Mahaut d'Artois. He's her nephew but personality-wise he might as well be a male clone. The author even suggests that their enmity might be better resolved with incest.
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* FishOutOfWater: Poor Clémence of Hungary is shipped off from the sunny, lively Naples to Northern France. She loathes the weather and she doesn't adjust well to the cutthroat politics of the French court, since her upbringing didn't have any of the dysfunctions if the Capetians.
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* FishOutOfWater: Poor Clémence of Hungary is shipped off from the sunny, lively Naples to Northern France. She loathes the weather and she doesn't adjust well to the cutthroat politics of the French court, since her upbringing didn't have any of the dysfunctions if of the Capetians.
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* RoyalBastard: Sparks much of the drama in the early story arcs, as TheReveal that the wife of the crown prince Louis (Marguerite de Bourgogne) had been taking lovers for quite a while puts her daughter Jeanne's legitimacy at risk.
** Jeanne (still a child at this point) ends up shunted to the lesser position of Queen of Navarre to appease the Bourgogne faction.
** When Louis and his court are looking for a reason to get rid of Marguerite, they hit on the idea of freeing her from her prison in exchange for her admitting Jeanne is illegitimate. Marguerite laughs the idea away but eventually turns around as imprisonment gets to her, but unfortunately, the letter never makes it. By the time Robert d'Artois learns of it, he's there to have her murdered, and it's too late to save her.
** Louis X himself also has an illegitimate daughter, but she doesn't figure much in the story, and when he dies without male issue [[spoiler:or so everyone thinks]], the throne goes to his brother.
** Jeanne (still a child at this point) ends up shunted to the lesser position of Queen of Navarre to appease the Bourgogne faction.
** When Louis and his court are looking for a reason to get rid of Marguerite, they hit on the idea of freeing her from her prison in exchange for her admitting Jeanne is illegitimate. Marguerite laughs the idea away but eventually turns around as imprisonment gets to her, but unfortunately, the letter never makes it. By the time Robert d'Artois learns of it, he's there to have her murdered, and it's too late to save her.
** Louis X himself also has an illegitimate daughter, but she doesn't figure much in the story, and when he dies without male issue [[spoiler:or so everyone thinks]], the throne goes to his brother.
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* FishOutOfWater: Poor Clémence of Hungary is shipped off from the sunny, lively Naples to Northern France. She loathes the weather and she doesn't adjust well to the cutthroat politics of the French court, since her upbringing didn't have any of the dysfunctions if the Capetians.
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* ZeroPercentApprovalRating: Edward II. Explains why his reign crumbles so fast and bloodlessly (for the Despensers excepted) when Mortimer and Isabella come back from France.
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** Played with during the first appearance of siege guns which produce a lot of smoke and noise when firing, but the old marshal remains unimpressed, especially when compared to trebuchets. Due to the city walls, the besiegers don't see that the shot obliterated a house.
** In the final book, an approaching siege tower is obliterated by point-blank cannon fire that had been hidden in the walls. Everyone knew it was a dumb idea except the king (whose idea it was).
** Played with during the first appearance of siege guns which produce a lot of smoke and noise when firing, but the old marshal remains unimpressed, especially when compared to trebuchets. Due to the city walls, the besiegers don't see that the shot obliterated a house.
** In the final book, an approaching siege tower is obliterated by point-blank cannon fire that had been hidden in the walls. Everyone knew it was a dumb idea except the king (whose idea it was).
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* DeathOfAChild: Poor little Jean the Posthumous barely lasts a week, either as reigning King of France or as a living human being.
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* InfantImmortality: Averted. Poor little Jean the Posthumous barely lasts a week, either as reigning King of France or as a living human being.
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** Countess Mahaut herself, who [[spoiler:basically steals her nephew Robert's county, destroys legal documents that prove her crimes, and then murders King Louis le Hutin, who favored Robert and intended to give her lands to him. But since Louis's wife later gives birth to a boy, Mahaut murders him as well during his crowning ceremony in sight of the whole court. She then blackmails King Philippe the Tall with exposure, claiming he only inherited the crown due to her crimes]].
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** Countess Mahaut herself, who [[spoiler:basically steals her nephew Robert's county, destroys legal documents that prove her crimes, and then murders King Louis le Hutin, who favored Robert and intended to give her lands to him. But since Louis's wife later gives birth to a boy, Mahaut murders him as well during his crowning ceremony in sight of the whole court.court (or so she thinks, the child was actually switched with another right before the crowning). She then blackmails King Philippe the Tall with exposure, claiming he only inherited the crown due to her crimes]].
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* AllForNothing: At the end of the series, Robert d'Artois is [[spoiler:dying of dysentery, exiled from France, has committed multiple murders (some of which he clearly regrets), unknowingly set England and France at each other's throats for the next hundred years or so...]] and of course, is ''still'' no closer to inheriting his county of Artois than at the beginning.
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* AllForNothing: At the end of the series, Robert d'Artois is [[spoiler:dying of dysentery, an arrow wound, exiled from France, has committed multiple murders (some of which he clearly regrets), unknowingly set England and France at each other's throats for the next hundred years or so...]] and of course, is ''still'' no closer to inheriting his county of Artois than at the beginning.
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* DroppedABridgeOnHim: [[spoiler:Robert D'Artois dies after being hit by a random arrow shot by an unknown archer in an irrelevant skirmish. He struggles for four days, and for his last moment, he can't believe that he's actually going to die like this.]]
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** Robert d'Artois himself is actually the ''third'' of the name.
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** Robert d'Artois himself is actually the ''third'' of the name. Hell, one of Mahaut's ''sons'' (who thankfully doesn't appear) is naed Robert d'Artois (and as the book notes, he's the Robert d'Artois buried in France, the VillainProtagonist's body was buried in England).
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* RegentForLife: Edward III has many reasons to be suspicious of Roger Mortimer - he’s stealing money, executing people on flimsy pretexts and [[IBangedYourMom openly keeping Edward’s mother as his mistress]]. Edward is mostly concerned that Mortimer will not willingly hand over the reins when he comes of age, and accordingly gathers some friends and an axe to accelerate the transfer of power.
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* EveryoneHasStandards: When Roger Mortimer has the Earl of Kent tried for treason through [[ManipulativeBastard foul play]] and acquires for his enemy an expedited death sentence, he cannot find a willing executioner. England's professionals would rather lose their jobs than carry out such a blatantly false sentence, and the broader military refuses to be party to it as well. Mortimer has to hire a condemned criminal on death row to do it in return for a pardon, and so a good man meets a gory end at the hands of a criminal.
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* EveryoneHasStandards: When Roger Mortimer has the Earl of Kent tried for treason through [[ManipulativeBastard foul play]] and acquires for his enemy an expedited death sentence, he cannot find a willing executioner. England's professionals would rather lose their jobs than carry out such a blatantly false sentence, and the broader military refuses to be party to it as well. Mortimer has to hire a condemned criminal man on death row to do it in return for a pardon, and so a good man meets a gory end at the hands of a criminal.
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* YourCheatingHeart: The adultery of Marguerite and Blanche pretty much kickstarts the events leading to the Hundred Years War. While Charles is ready to forgive his wife her treachery, Louis is all too willing to get rid of Marguerite. [[spoiler: And he does.]]
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** Mahaut of Artois daughters: Joan of Burgundy is the responsible to Blanche's foolish. Joan does not cheat on her husband despite the chance, Blanche does and eventually gets caught. Guess who keeps her head afloat.
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** Philip of Poitiers blackmails his uncle Charles of Valois [[spoiler: into backing his claim to the throne]], expressing his intention of summoning the Estates General to discuss the matter. Charles, being the reactionary he is, laments how giving the tiniest inch of power to the commoners will bring the bourgeois to the power and they will elect some sorry parvenu as their king in a few decades. Which is exactly what happened with the UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution from a monarchical point of view.
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** Philip of Poitiers blackmails his uncle Charles of Valois [[spoiler: into [[spoiler:into backing his claim to the throne]], expressing his intention of summoning the Estates General to discuss the matter. Charles, being the reactionary he is, laments how giving the tiniest inch of power to the commoners will bring the bourgeois to the power and they will elect some sorry parvenu as their king in a few decades. Which is exactly what happened with the UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution from a monarchical point of view.
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* GirlInTheTower: The three princesses accused of adultery. Joan has it better, as she was just covering her sisters-in-law's affair, and is our in arrest in a comfortable keep. The other two who are caught almost ''in flagrante'' have it much worse in the HellHolePrison of Château Gaillard
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* GirlInTheTower: The three princesses accused of adultery. Joan has it better, as she was just covering her sisters-in-law's affair, and is our in arrest in a comfortable keep. The other two who are caught almost ''in flagrante'' flagrante delicto'' have it much worse in the HellHolePrison of Château GaillardGaillard.
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** Mahaut of Artois herself. From what is known of her, she was a shrewd and no-nonsense ruler who imposed firm control over unruly nobles; there is not a shred of evidence she poisoned anyone, let alone kings.
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** Mahaut of Artois herself. From what is known of her, she was a shrewd and no-nonsense ruler who imposed firm control over unruly nobles; there is not a shred of evidence she poisoned [[spoiler:poisoned anyone, let alone kings.]]
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* LaterInstallmentWeirdness: The first six books are third-person narration [[SwitchingPOV told through the eyes of various (and alternating) protagonists]]. The seventh book is entirely written as a series of monologues written in first-person by the same character. It also consists in an independent plot set a decade after the previous books and doesn't involve any of the original cast (though they are sometimes mentioned either due to their descendants appearing or commenting on the actions they started).
* LawfulStupid: Hugues de Bouville, royal steward, [[spoiler:who royally fucks up the situation after the assassination of (false) Jehan I]].
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* LawfulStupid: Hugues de Bouville, royal steward, [[spoiler:who royally fucks up the situation after the assassination of(false) (the false) Jehan I]].
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* LuxuryPrisonSuite: Jeanne of Burgundy, Phillipe of Poitiers' wife, is not punished as severely as her sister Blanche and her sister-in-law Marguerite for her involvement in the Tour de Nesle Affair, because while they commited adultery, she only covered it up for them. Thus, while they are imprisoned in the grim Château Gaillard, Jeanne is only kept in house arrest at Dourdan.
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** Also the reason Robert [[spoiler:betrays France and joins the English court in the penultimate book. Having decidedly lost the case for his county, he refuses to back down from his claim or accept his monarch's private mercy (read: a ''very'' generous pardon for having blatantly broken the law on his quest to seize Artois). He instead says fuck it and doesn't even bother showing up to his trial, instead sailing to offer the English his full support in toppling the French regime that, ironically, Robert himself put into power. The book makes him the single strongest voice in favour of the HundredYearsWar as well as its primary instigator.]]
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* RoyalFavorite: The book takes the idea that king Edward II was homosexual and runs with it, to the point where in order to get his wife Isabelle of France pregnant, he needed his favorite Hugh Despenser to get him worked up. It's stated the reason she had Hugh hanged, drawn and quartered was resentment for years of him abusing his power, confiscating her belongings and stealing her husband away from her.
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* EtherealWhiteDress: White was traditionally worn by queens in mourning. This includes [[spoiler: Clémence of Hungary, Jehanne II de Bourgogne, Isabelle of France and, by book seven, several others]].
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