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iansimsjam
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04:57:51 AM May 11th 2014
edited by 1.165.207.186
Does Tirek from the most recent episode qualify as a Complete Monster?
lalalei2001
04:59:13 AM May 11th 2014
He did in G1, so he probably does here too.
31Darkstar
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01:28:01 PM Feb 25th 2014
I'm surprised that Princess Celestia isn't listed in The Scrappy example. I mean, look at the evidence. She is the most hated character in the fandom, more hated than Diamond Tiara. I mean, there are negative portrayls of her (Molestia and Trollestia), and everyone portrays her as a Tyrant, villain, etc. Chances are, you will hardly see any portrayls of her that show her to be kind.
SomeNewGuy
11:12:20 AM Feb 26th 2014
.....Can't tell if serious or not.
MsCC93
02:09:40 PM Feb 26th 2014
Uh, no. Even if she's portrayed as a tyrant, Celestia still ranks high on polls, and she's always coming in second place for best princess, so no, she's not a scrappy.
Codafett
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11:59:05 AM Dec 7th 2013
Guys, I really think Unpleasable Fanbase should be entered. I mean we can't chalk everything up to a "vocal minority" when it's easy to tell that it's more than just a few people screwing everyone over.
MagBas
12:57:54 PM Dec 7th 2013
Unpleasable Fanbase is listed in Flame Bait, in other words, this can not be listed or potholed.
Codafett
08:57:46 PM Dec 7th 2013
Well I guess it's true what they say: the Truth hurts. Oh well, it's not like a Flame War among bronies would be a very pretty sight.
Renelia
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09:53:29 AM Mar 7th 2013
I removed the Fan Disillusionment entry that keeps on being re-added after being removed. The trope itself is under No Real Life Examples, Please! and it contained a real life example on the YMMV page.
RAMChYLD
11:16:46 PM Mar 19th 2013
edited by RAMChYLD
I think that's incorrect. Fan Disillusionment may have been tagged as No Real Life Examples, Please!, but I think that only applies to entries in the Fan Disillusionment page itself. I believe it doesn't mean we can't still use it in YMMV pages especially where fandom reaction is concerned. Besides, not having it implies that no one has ever decried the show Ruined Forever, which is false (the show jumped the shark for me since Season 2 by having more villains and losing the E/I mark). Not allowing Fandom Disillusionment imo is biased.

Also, I thought the YMMV page was not bound by rules that normally binds to other pages, as long as it doesn't start a flamewar?
RAMChYLD
11:43:48 PM Apr 8th 2013
edited by RAMChYLD
Well, since there's no reply to my message, I assume that cooler heads have prevailed. Re-adding Fan Disillusionment.

EDIT: Nevermind. I take back my decision. you do what you want, I'm sick of all this pandering as if there is no one who hates this show and/or the direction it's going.

Good day.
PDL
03:00:55 PM Apr 10th 2013
You could save yourself a lot of trouble if you stopped using YMMV as a personal soapbox. Honestly, I've seen a lot of your edits and all they're showing is that you throw a hissy fit and act like a spoiled child anytime time someone seems to disagree with you.

Frankly, that's highly annoying.
RAMChYLD
09:49:00 PM Apr 10th 2013
edited by RAMChYLD
Alright then. I'm sorry.
31Darkstar
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06:01:03 PM Jan 16th 2013
Do you guys think the Memetic Sex God/Goddess should be a subpage, because there are a ton of examples?
PDL
03:44:01 PM Feb 4th 2013
No because Bronies are already seen as a bunch of creeps already. Having such a page would mean more material for haters.
Pannic
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01:01:02 PM Jun 28th 2012
I find that the list for The Scrappy is a bit dubious. For example, listing a character who was... in one scene and was a jerk.

That isn't what the trope means. The trope means that this is a character that is widely, or near-universally, regarded by the fandom as an irritating waste of space, not "I don't like this character." I find that many of the examples are dubious at best.
GoldenSandslash
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06:15:46 PM May 21st 2012
Just for fun, could we make the Periphery Demographic entry talk about the kids who watch this show, as if the show was intended for adults? It'd be funny.

Although, it would be inaccurate, which is why I'm asking first.
DrPsyche
10:51:04 AM Jan 19th 2013
I think it would be funny, but unfortunately, you're right, it would be inaccurate, and accuracy takes priority over jokes. Still, it was a neat idea.
Technature
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11:01:48 AM May 19th 2012
""Owl's Well That Ends Well" and "Lesson Zero" both have "if you blow off your friend's concerns/feelings/freakouts, it will cause more trouble", which apparently means Aesop Amnesia as Twilight learned it in the first and then freaked out in the second."

But Twilight was the only one to learn that lesson. Wouldn't it make sense that everyone else might have the problem when the only one to learn the lesson is the one in trouble with it?

Permission to delete?
Gallade08
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07:03:18 PM Apr 22nd 2012
edited by Gallade08
Chrysalis&order=9&offset=72#/d4x9qxa There is a comment that says "She can feed on my love any day." Does that mean Queen Chrysalis will be added to the Memetic Sex God entry? Or she won't get one yet?
SomeNewGuy
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11:24:40 AM Mar 30th 2012
...Is it me, or is the Accidental Aesop section nothing but bile and complaining?
DeathCloud
08:48:30 AM Apr 3rd 2012
It's more like Warp That Aesop to me.
BornIn1142
07:21:55 AM Apr 12th 2012
Indeed. As I posted earlier on this page, many of the Aesop interpretation seem like they're intentionally out there and ludicrous.
Gallade08
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05:53:18 PM Mar 17th 2012
Would Angel, Fluttershy's pet bunny, be considered a Base Breaker. After what he did to her in the episode "Putting you Hoof Down" he has gotten some haters.
emeriin
05:55:17 PM Mar 17th 2012
Seeing as how he was supposed to be a dick, and has always been a dick, I don't think he can count.
Gallade08
08:48:32 PM Mar 17th 2012
Well he is an ensemble darkhorse.
Jarkes
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07:29:26 AM Mar 7th 2012
edited by Jarkes
Why exactly is there a problem with the rumor that Shining Armor is Twilght Sparkle's brother? Personally, I think that's pretty cool, plus it gives the mane six more of a reason to go to the royal wedding. Plus, it's only a rumor at this point: it might not even be true. Then again, this IS Your Mileage May Vary.
BornIn1142
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07:59:17 AM Feb 29th 2012
The whole alternative interpretation section bothers me. There are a number of examples that are clearly exaggerated for comedic effect and factually questionable, but I'm not sure they can be removed because, hey, Your Mileage May Vary.
KingSolstice
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04:54:45 PM Feb 27th 2012
Would anyone consider Rainbow Dash a base breaker?
BornIn1142
07:57:56 AM Feb 29th 2012
Her jerkass tendencies (particularly in season 2), have made her rather divisive. She has a bit of a hatedom at this point.
WaxingName
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11:40:54 AM Feb 2nd 2012
edited by WaxingName
Does Discord avoid being a Complete Monster just because he's funny? I can't really say being funny saves a character from being a CM, as Kefka Palazzo, The Joker with his pencil trick, and Eric Cartman attest to. It's pretty much agreed he's not a CM, but there has to be a better reason than being funny.

Also, that TRS thread that people link to isn't very clear on why he doesn't meet qualifications for our definition of CM.
TheEmptyOne
03:46:46 PM Apr 21st 2012
My guess is that it's because there's an in-show example of someone thinking he's funny: Pinkie laughing at him near the beginning of Return of Harmony Part 1. It's a narrow margin, but he's disqualified.
Renelia
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02:05:50 AM Feb 2nd 2012
Regarding Base Breaker. Would Discord be considered a Base Breaker? Keep in mind this was from his actions alone and not speaking on any interpretation of his character.
WaxingName
12:52:21 PM Feb 8th 2012
Nah, any "hate" for him falls under Love to Hate. He's universally loved in the fandom. I'll delete that part.
Jarkes
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12:09:50 PM Dec 17th 2011
Regarding the comment about Merriweather Williams being the most divisive writer on the show, despite writing only two episodes. Given its placement, I can infer that "Mysterious Mare-Do-Well" is one of them, but what's the other one?
Whatshisgame
07:59:26 AM Dec 18th 2011
"Hearth's Warming Eve"
Jarkes
09:06:27 AM Dec 18th 2011
Hearth's Warming Eve is divisive? ...Why?
BornIn1142
05:16:26 AM Jan 30th 2012
Because it was written by Merriweather Williams.
Disco3000
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08:45:25 AM Nov 28th 2011
Does anybody think this page should be split or placed into menus - its fairly large. Oh how about moving episode-specific ones, to the YMMV on the episode recaps.
WaxingName
02:09:11 PM Dec 15th 2011
I'm currently in the process of folderizing the entire page into storyline, character, fandom, shipping, and other sections. It'll be up soon.
WaxingName
02:29:44 PM Dec 15th 2011
Well, it's up. My schedule won't allow for complete sorting, so please help sort the rest.
Disco3000
02:53:59 PM Dec 15th 2011
I'll try and do the rest xx
JapaneseTeeth
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05:31:11 PM Oct 25th 2011
Is Pipsqueak really a Base Breaker? The worst reaction I've seen him receive is mild indifference. I don't think he has nearly enough haters to be considered a Base Breaker, or even The Scrappy.
DeathCloud
05:34:33 PM Oct 27th 2011
No response from those editors. So maybe delete those edits with and tell them to discus this mather here or on forum.
HiddenFacedMatt
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10:46:40 AM Oct 4th 2011
edited by HiddenFacedMatt
Does Discord really count as a Complete Monster? He's the most evil villain the show has yet had, but that's more because the other villains are Anti Villains than because Discord's that bad, and there's plenty of middle ground between Anti-Villain and Complete Monster.

While he may be remorseless and have no clear excuse, what I have doubt about is the idea that trying to make the Ponyville's weather crazy for his amusement or deceptively fostering distrust among a social circle of friends is "heinous," let alone that it's played seriously enough for Complete Monster status anyway.

Also, stuff like "crosses the Moral Event Horizon several times" leaves room for doubt about on whether or not whoever added it knows what they're talking about.
emeriin
10:49:41 AM Oct 4th 2011
No he doesn't. Check the last few pages of the Complete Monster thread in the Special Efforts thread for the argument.
HiddenFacedMatt
10:54:05 AM Oct 4th 2011
I'll remove him then.
Godzillawolf
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08:41:02 AM Sep 17th 2011
Could we add Moral Event Horizon for Discord's Mind Rape of the mane cast? I'd say taking great pleasure out of manipulating and brainwashing group in a very frightening fashion qualifies.
HiddenFacedMatt
10:51:58 AM Oct 4th 2011
edited by HiddenFacedMatt
Moral Event Horizon is a pretty strong phrase; it implies that the level of evil is confirming that the character will never be a good guy, and if he ever does become one (as is common with villains in the show, albeit only for milder villains) the entry will be proven wrong.

If Discord does at all cross the moral event horizon, it's in brainwashing Fluttershy when he couldn't persuade her through argument. That's the only Mind Rape that stands out as morally worse than the rest.

In any case, it's certainly more fitting than Gilda's, which is much too mild to count as a moral event horizon. The line she crosses is between "excusable" and "inexcusable," not between "redeemable" and "irredeemable." The entry for Gilda should be removed; it seems to be based on a major misinterpretation either of Moral Event Horizon or of Gilda herself.
ArfArkFace
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07:30:00 AM Sep 5th 2011
Is the trope Fan Verse applicable to this article? There seems to be a lot of consistency between several fanons and fan works.
NebuloganB
11:59:39 PM Sep 16th 2011
The Fan Verse description says shared continuity, i.e. the same universe. While certain elements of continuity are indeed oftenly shared, stories usually only share some parts. To be in the same universe it must share all continuity excluding mistakes and retcons, with that which isn't explicitly covered still possible to be the same. The community has a set of common assumptions, but you'd be hard-pressed to find several fanfics that can all exist in the same verse and have things linkning them to each other.
NebuloganB
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08:25:30 AM Sep 2nd 2011
edited by NebuloganB
Should Trixie/Twilight (aka Twixie) be added to One True Pair? That pairing is insanely popular compared to any other Trixie or Twilight pairing on Equestria Daily, tho it is not as dominating as Lyra/Bon-Bon. Can there be two One True Pairs?
JapaneseTeeth
05:41:24 PM Oct 25th 2011
I don't think so. There's zero canon evidence for it (at least Lyra and Bon Bon have been shown together in the background), and it's not really ubiquitous enough in the fandom to count. It's popular, but not to the point of Lyra/Bon Bon, where there's almost no material shipping them with other characters. Trixie and Twilight are both Launcher of a Thousand Ships.
MugenKagemaru
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10:17:04 PM Aug 19th 2011
I wanted to link Adult!Luna's Fan Nickname, "Moonlight Dream" with the archive of this on Ponibooru.

http://www.ponibooru.org/post/list/moonlight_dream/1

If someone could put that in, that would be appreciated.
ILikeCrows
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03:17:58 PM Jul 16th 2011
The second sentence on the Broken Aesop entry sounds really wonky. I'd fix it myself, but I can't for the life of me figure out what it's trying to say.
SquigPie
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11:02:33 AM Jul 8th 2011
edited by SquigPie
I'm sorry, but this page is a little too big for me. Is there any mention of the MASSIVE hatedom this show has?
lalalei2001
11:16:14 AM Jul 8th 2011
Not yet.
SquigPie
09:33:18 AM Jul 9th 2011
Well, considering MLP-fans are "The New Furries" I think it should.

Grobi
09:43:12 AM Jul 9th 2011
edited by Grobi
I added hatedom, somone deleted it - which is fine; everything with a fandom has a hatedom. No need to point it out. My mistake.

Fan Haters and hatedumb, however, are still on the page. Should be enough.
SquigPie
12:51:19 PM Jul 9th 2011
Jesus, that example is probably the least Neutral hting I've ever seen on this wiki.
BornIn1142
02:03:06 PM Jul 9th 2011
So you tried to break the record?

Wait, since when is this wiki concerned with neutrality?

Also, why did you feel the need to ask this when you could easily have looked through the entry with Ctrl+F?
SquigPie
08:09:11 AM Jul 11th 2011
This Wiki is pretty big on neutrality, which is why some of the more controversial topics are locked. The fact that this page outright insults people who dislike the fandom (admit it. Some of the fans of this show are REALLY rabid). Is unacceptable, I've made the example for Fan Haters more neutral. Please. Don't edit it back.
BornIn1142
08:31:24 AM Jul 11th 2011
This is the Your Mileage May Vary page. These exist specifically to represent subjective tropes, so I'm not sure why you're making a fuss over the page featuring subjectivity.

Any way you look at it, claiming the previous example "insulted" anyone is hysterical hyperbole. It simply remarks on the unassailable fact that a lot of people DO hate on My Little Pony and its fans because it's My Little Pony. Do you deny this? And do you deny that this attitude is fundamentally foolish, and therefore Hate Dumb?

If you feel an example doesn't represent all viewpoints, then you augment and improve it instead of scrapping it and replacing it with something that literally says nothing. ("The less is said, the better" is just about completely pointless.)
Grobi
09:08:34 AM Jul 11th 2011
at Squig Pie: Well, now it's at least somewhat neutral, so I'm fine with your edit. But this doesn't change the fact that I'm right; without the Periphery Fandom, there wouldn't be that many Haters, either.

Perhaps I indulged in Complaining about People Not Liking the Show. I'm not sure about that; I'm not that good at "self-evaluation" (or whatever the correct english term would be here). (Though I'm pretty sure I did indulge in "Complaining about people complaining about shows they don't watch. Sorry 'bout that...)

However, what did you expect? Did You Actually Believe? that we — the FANS — would/could be neutral in this situation? We're getting flamed all over the 'net just for being fans, and then you mock us for being biased.

Besides, This Is A Wiki. We Could Have Avoided All This if you had just edited the page yourself. :P

...*SIGH*. Sorry. Just needed to vent a bit. Nothing Personal, and this is just the discussion-page.

at Born In 1142: These are subjectives, yeah. That doesn't mean we have to be (passive) aggressive if anybody dares to mention the Hatedom. That leads to Flame Warring, and that leads to a page-lock. And "The less is said, the better" is an awesome sentence; we don't need to be specific here. It practically says "This exists. That's all you need to know.". Perfect.
Grobi
03:00:38 AM Jul 12th 2011
And now someone else wants to start an Edit War. Should we ask a mod to lock this page?
Dragonsoul1
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11:57:02 AM May 25th 2011
Should periphery Demographic be added to the main index? The only reason I'd be against it is because the periphery fanbase is arguable larger than the target fanbase.....
nuclearneo577
12:17:53 PM May 25th 2011
What index?
Dragonsoul1
12:29:55 PM May 25th 2011
Its in YMMV Right now, Take it out and stick it on the main page.
nuclearneo577
01:39:46 PM May 25th 2011
edited by nuclearneo577
Why? Its still YMMV.
Captainhook
topic
06:30:16 PM May 6th 2011
Has Prince Blueblood gotten the Draco in Leather Pants treatment yet? He seems to be a likely target.
Alexlayer
06:40:57 PM May 6th 2011
If one the latest Wild Mind Guessing is any indication, yes he has.
Captainhook
07:39:35 AM May 8th 2011
Should I list him under Draco in Leather Pants? How should I word it?
ILikeCrows
05:22:10 AM May 9th 2011
I vote no. One single WMG that doesn't even focus on him doesn't count as leather pants treatment, especially since the fandom at large dislikes him.
blackcat
moderator
topic
06:23:23 AM Apr 30th 2011
Moderator speaking: Please stop adding and deleting examples with out posting an edit reason. There seems to be an edit war brewing over posts involving Pinkie Pie. Move contested examples to the discussion page and talk it out there.
Captainhook
04:02:54 PM May 4th 2011
Okay, we'll stay cool.
MugenKagemaru
10:15:39 PM Aug 19th 2011
Edit war over Pinkie Pie? Oh, wow...
31Darkstar
06:14:23 PM Jul 9th 2012
Should Twilight Sparkle be added to Memetic Sex God, because apparantly, guys wish to "study" with her?
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