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magicblah
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06:30:53 PM Nov 16th 2014
edited by 169.233.250.53
The Feminist Frequency bullet in Web Original is messy/horrible in all sorts of ways but the biggest offender has to be the sub-bullet on Goobergrape. Not only is this a topic that TV Tropes is apparently supposed to avoid discussing, but the sub-bullet has all sorts of inaccuracies, for example:

sorry my formatting is off, not used to using these discussion pages

[edit: censoring name of movement wherever possible]
SeptimusHeap
moderator
03:41:25 AM Nov 17th 2014
The GamerGate story needs to stay off completely. The rest looks like soapboxing, really.
Golden_Flame0
07:04:11 PM Nov 19th 2014
No, I don't think so, as long as the page stays neutral, and discusses both arguments. From what I see, we don't want to be mistaken for either side, considering that there are a fair few people on this website who are pro, anti, and neutral towards Gamer Gate
SeptimusHeap
moderator
11:52:16 PM Nov 19th 2014
No, we also don't want to be roped into the argument. Which will invariably happen if we allow the entry to stay on because people have shown repeatedly that they can't restrain themselves.
magicblah
01:01:10 PM Nov 20th 2014
edited by 169.233.250.53
I admit that I have a bias when it comes to this sub-bullet, but I think there are some site rules/general cohesiveness attempts that make it particularly not good to have at the moment:
  • "...you may not use our site to carry out an argument that is going on somewhere else. If the Internet is in an uproar about something, we don't need to tell everyone about it. We most certainly don't want to appear to take someone's side of an argument..."
  • The Scandalgate entry on Goobergrape is no longer there, so linking to that article is rather pointless
  • Not checking out the link for the sake of my computer, but the bullet links to ED as evidence and says the link is NSFW. That might be a reference to the advertising on ED—does the forum rule on not linking to sites with explicit advertising apply to the main wiki?
  • I don't really see anything positive coming of trying to revise this bullet, its presence makes the discussion of Goobergrape on TV Tropes seem acceptable when editors on Scandalgate have stated "G****gate is a banned issue on this site."

I'm also censoring the name of the whenever possible so as to reduce its searchability on the wiki, so sorry if that's confusing.
SeptimusHeap
moderator
topic
08:53:04 AM Nov 13th 2014
I've pulled this entry because on top of being too long and detailed, it is about a subject we prefer to not talk about. Also, that sub bullet is completely irrelevant.
  • A group called the Fine Young Capitalists claimed on soundcloud that Zoe Quinn was using her influence to keep the internet media silent about their Indiegogo campaign to help women get into game design, on the grounds that making women work for free was demeaning (never mind it was for charity). In response 4chan launched #4chan4women and started funding the campaign, leading to the funding shooting up $5,000 in a single day. The group even agreed to let 4chan's logo be displayed on the credits of the game and for a 4chan created character, Vivian "Level" James, to appear in the game. Later, Quinn's ex-boyfriend wrote a lengthy article on Wordpress claiming that she had slept with five guys involved in game journalism (one of whom was married) in order to get positive press for her game Depression Quest. One particular target was Nathan Grayson of Kotaku, a publication also accused of turning a blind eye to the similarly cronyistic relationship between writer Patricia Hernandez and game maker Anna Anthropy a.k.a. auntiepixelantie). A Redditor then alleged that Quinn faked being harassed and doxxednote  by Wizardchan users, while a Tumblr blogger accused Quinn of exploiting the death of Robin Williams, all for extra publicity. Many responding Redditors and the Tumblr blogger saw their posts being pulled by means of DMCA takedowns, allegedly to prevent further harassment and doxxing, while several gaming journalism sites and YouTube personalities including TotalBiscuit (the poor guy can't seem to get a break, can he?) saw their articles and videos discussing the controversy being taken down. This led to numerous users on Reddit, 4Chan, Tumblr, and Know Your Meme constantly discussing the topic, demanding more information on what really happened, flooding critical comments onto articles accusing the protesters of misogyny, and organizing a protest outside of PAX 2014. Oh, and all this stuff you just read? That's just the introduction for the shitstorm that followed next! This long chains of events has been named "The Quinnspiracy", aka "GamerGate" (the latter coined by Adam Baldwin to indicate that the scandal goes far beyond just Zoe Quinn herself).
    • This has led to some positive changes, as The Escapist is working on revising all of their rules from the ground up. While the host wasn't directly involved in the mess, the fact that they manned up and took the initiative shows that some people are willing to listen to the little man.
Golden_Flame0
07:07:36 PM Nov 19th 2014
It needs a re-write, and an examination page. Perhaps along the lines of:

  • Gamer Gate, one of the bigger scandals to hit the Internet in a while. Analasys page here.
SeptimusHeap
moderator
11:50:26 PM Nov 19th 2014
No way we are going to have an examinations page on this subject. TV Tropes does not record random internet controversies.
Mightymoose101
topic
07:22:50 PM Sep 18th 2014
edited by 156.62.36.71
As the page is now locked, I'd like to request a revision to a section that I made

"It has since escalated even further when people got into contact with the San Francisco Police and revealed that they have no documented reports of Anita contacting them in August in regards to harassment, dealing another blow to Anita's credibility and adding even more fuel to the fire."

It has since been revealed that Anita has in fact been in contact in regards to this incident with the FBI, and the same police officer who gave this statement earlier has confirmed it.

Could someone please revise this entry to reflect this information, or remove it entirely?

harryhenry
07:42:46 PM Sep 18th 2014
You should put this edit request in this thread here.
SeptimusHeap
moderator
01:21:59 AM Sep 19th 2014
It's also worth noting that the lock specifically happened because of the argument about that entry.
Sorantheman
08:54:39 AM Sep 19th 2014
edited by 90.225.46.41
Actually, about her contact with the FBI, there is something you should know. It is for the moment not known if it is regarding the possibly fake death threat or the fact that someone had sent child pornography to her through Twitter. Also, she did claim on Twitter several times that she had contacted the police department about the death threat (being rather inconistent with claims of the police taking her seriously or ignoring her) and not the FBI, wich also made people belive that the death threat was fake considering how once again, the police department had no documented reports of being contacted by her.
asaqe3
12:34:49 AM Sep 21st 2014
Also toss in 4chan also banning all discussion of gamergate.
Superjustinbros
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11:58:09 PM Sep 16th 2014
So nothing on the recent move Microsoft did to buy Mine Craft?
lalalei2001
12:19:33 AM Sep 17th 2014
From what I've seen a lot of people are okay with it, or at least understanding of why Mojang allowed it.
NonoRobot
12:33:28 AM Sep 17th 2014
I don't see a Internet Counterattack either in that case. At worst people don't buy it when Notch (not Mojang) claims that he didn't do that for the money (2.5 billion dollars? Yeah...), but that's pretty much it. I didn't personaly see an uproar, even on Neo GAF.
Sorantheman
11:35:42 AM Sep 17th 2014
I don't think the controversity has reached THAT level of anger just yet. Let's wait for a few more months and see where this will go.
Mightymoose101
topic
04:38:35 PM Aug 24th 2014
Is it a good idea to be talking about the Zoe Quinn fiasco right now? It's still very much ongoing and has proven to be a very divisive topic in nearly every place it's brought up.
emeriin
08:43:56 AM Aug 25th 2014
edited by 81.100.41.21
It's a huge section too, it could at least be condensed a little.
SeptimusHeap
moderator
01:22:50 AM Aug 26th 2014
I fixed the Example Indentation at least.
Golden_Flame0
07:05:47 PM Nov 19th 2014
Now it's been removed entirely. That isn't a good image.
emeriin
topic
05:43:56 PM Mar 10th 2014
** Then, when the final product began arriving, it resurged. Initially, it was only minor—people found out that she was using footage from YouTube playthroughs and Lets Plays without credit, and made their disapproval clear. Then, an artist discovered that Sarkeesian used her artwork in one of her key promotional materials without asking or crediting her. Cue the mass infuriation as neither Sarkeesian nor her defenders would own up to the fact that she had defrauded an artist in an attempt to pursue her own ends, and Sarkeesian tried to weasel her way out of coming under fire over it. She would later apologize for it, but the damage was still done.

If she apologized for it, then this should at least be reworded. At the moment it's making it sound like she's the devil.
Euan2000
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11:06:49 AM Dec 10th 2012
I remember a while back a guy from Nintendo of Europe addressing concern about the Wii's low storage space by saying that only geeks and otakus would ever use it all. The backlash was pretty severe and one way or another it got an expansion via SD cards
SamMax
topic
05:18:20 AM May 16th 2012
I think this is more suited for YMMV than not.
SeptimusHeap
moderator
06:44:04 AM May 16th 2012
No, because it's documenting the objective part. So it can't really be an Audience Reaction.
MikMan
topic
07:09:08 AM Feb 23rd 2012
I tried to find more information about the NH Prime Neohacker thing, but found nothing on Google. Actually, googling NH Prime neohacker only brings up this page.

Where can I get more information?
junovalkyrie
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10:54:00 PM Nov 14th 2011
edited by junovalkyrie
I can't get edit mode to work on this username and trying to make a new one doesn't work. The process appears successful until I try to click a discussion or edit page, at which point the site acts as though it can't recognize me.

I was going to delete the following entry, since it's an inaccurate depiction of events and what actually happened doesn't fit this trope.

"Dragon Age II was notorious for the huge PR disaster that was part 2011 chain of video game disappointments. But when Bioware ignite the flames by supposedly banning a user for harsh criticism. The game was metacritic bombed to oblivion (downvoting to the same rating that Gamespot gave to Chou Jigen Game Neptune), mocked the moderator who did this and became Bioware's enemy number 1."

What happened was that Dragon Age II bombed and received several negative Metacritic reviews. David Gaider (one of Bioware's lead writers) posted a comment claiming that 4chan was responsible for the constant references to the poor Metacritic scores on the Bioware Social Network (and implying they were responsible for the low Metacritic scores as well). See Gaider's post at http://social.bioware.com/*http:/social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/6436625/3 near the top of the page.

"We're well aware of what the 4chan folks are up to and they're desperation to sound more important/numerous than they are. I mean, is there any wonder why multiple people have suddenly been running here going "OMG look at the Metacritic user reviews!" when nobody has ever done that before? Seriously.

Which is too bad, as it certainly makes those with legitimate, constructive criticisms harder to pick out amidst the dross. Be that as it may, we will listen to feedback and come to our own conclusions— it will be all the feedback, however, and not just that provided by those determined to be the loudest and/or most obnoxious."

This claim was posted late at night on March 9, CST, based on the earliest instances I can find of it being quoted on other sites (BSN's own system is not very useful here, since it only states that the post occurred "8 months ago"). No evidence was ever presented to support it, and judging by subsequent threads about it (eg this one: http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/6450160/1), even on the BSN very few posters appeared to buy the story that 4chan was linked to the poor user scores on Metacritic.

In a separate, unrelated event, a BSN forumite posted "Have you sold your souls to the EA devils?", implying that EA's acquisition of Bioware was responsible for many of the commonly-disliked design decisions in Dragon Age II. Stanley Woo, a BSN moderator, banned him - not just from the forums, but from being able to play his legally-purchased copy of Dragon Age II at all. Woo later defended this decision, citing the EA community terms of service (see the picture here: http://imgur.com/VkbXH), but after a day or two in which numerous gaming websites reported on this with much outrage resulting among gamers and consumer rights advocates, EA recanted, claiming a glitch in their system was responsible for the whole mess (http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/03/15/dragon-age-2-access-returned-to-banned-forumite/). This was reported on numerous sites starting almost as soon as Woo posted his response, and the earliest timestamp I can find for it is March 10 after 9 AM CST.

To sum up, the actual events aren't as depicted on the trope page and don't seem to actually fit the trope for two reasons: first, the supposed manipulation of Metacritic scores by 4chan was never shown to have actually taken place. Second, the low scores on Metacritic were already present *before* the user was banned.
70.50.58.248
topic
10:02:33 AM Jul 29th 2010
Sudden name change?
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