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ShorinBJ
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10:47:30 AM Oct 28th 2013
I just cleaned up a whole bunch of entries where people would just put a character's name AND NOTHING ELSE. What is anyone reading the page for their own edification supposed to take away from that? Worse is the heavy, unintentional irony when they'd add, "Enough said." As if everyone reading the page has seen the work in question and knows exactly what they're talking about. Geez.
tarentel
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06:07:11 PM Jun 29th 2012
Does Father Grigori from Half-Life count? He probably would have left a long time ago if it weren't for his insanity, but I'm not sure if he falls within this trope. An outside opinion would be nice.
captainsandwich
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10:12:59 AM Mar 13th 2012
does anyone else like Edward Wong Hau Pepelu Tivrusky 4th? cause i don't see why she is not on here, but i don't feel comfortable putting her down unless i know other people like her too.
tarentel
06:05:27 PM Jun 29th 2012
Doesn't matter if people like her, if she's an example, put her down. Make sure to read the description first though.
TwinBird
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06:36:54 PM Feb 18th 2012
Why is this YMMV, again? It seems like there are two definitions: the subjective one, which the page cautions against, and the one given by the page, which is pretty much objective. It seems like making it YMMV just encourages this misuse - it should be objective or not up at all.
Stoogebie
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08:20:04 AM May 25th 2011
Here's a question; I once read a work that had one character get a pet yellow jacket the size of a lap dog that could shoot lightning out its stinger. Would that count? Probably not, at least not in the way this trope defines....okay, no. It doesn't count. His owner certainly does, though.
ading
04:51:21 AM Aug 3rd 2011
Sorry, but none of the tropes you mention for your owner have anything to do with this trope.
UncloudedTJ
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12:03:50 PM Nov 9th 2010
Removed the following:

  • Lucy from Elfen Lied.
    • I dispute that Lucy is "Crazy Awesome." She's not "nucking futs, in an amusing way," as this page defines "Crazy Awesome." While beheading about 50 people in the first 5 minutes of this anime could be considered "Crazy Awesome," Lucy isn't doing it to just be Crazy Awesome (like, say, Kamina from Gurren Lagann, she's doing it to escape from her captors. Another way of looking at it — and not so as to Godwin the comment — Hannibal Lecter isn't "Crazy Awesome," he's a Manipulative and/or Magnificent Bastard. Additionally, you really don't feel sorry for anyone who's Crazy Awesome, any more than you feel sorry for Hannibal. Lucy is cast as a much more sympathetic character — and, in many episodes, she's more cast as a tragic character. You definitely feel sorry for her.
146.95.29.59
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06:22:13 AM Sep 30th 2010
Changing the name? How's that sound? I mean as it stands there are far far far to many examples that don't fit because people see crazy awesome and think "Wow person from X was really awesome and amazing, THEY should be on here!" They don't go "Person X is unbalanced and does amazing things, they should be on here!"
Jakob
07:39:53 AM Oct 1st 2010
I'm in total agreement of this. As the Square Peg Round Trope page says, "(...)besieged by people who only know crazy as a superlative adverb rather than a descriptive adjective.". A name change would seem a great idea to avoid this.
71.125.246.86
12:31:03 AM Oct 2nd 2010
Heck, putting the word "The" infront of Crazy Awesome would fix the problem, but what are some better names? -Joey Joe
LOLin8or
11:11:04 PM Oct 10th 2010
There's been enough name-changing bullshit around here lately. I disagree.
Westrim
11:24:04 PM Oct 10th 2010
edited by Westrim
Well that's an open minded perspective. This isn't a discussion about any other trope page, it's about this trope page- whether you think too many pages have had their names changed is immaterial.
genkracken
03:59:46 AM Oct 17th 2010
How about some form of X (conjunction) Y, a la Awesome But/Yet (Im)Practical? "Crazy But Awesome?" "Awesome Yet Crazy?"
macroscopic
06:14:42 AM Oct 17th 2010
Crazy But Awesome is great. Only subtly changed but effective. Unfortunately the current name is pretty well ingrained (and thoroughly seeded through the wiki) so people may not take a rename very well.
BlackWolfe
06:18:25 AM Oct 17th 2010
Checking the related links shows:

Crazy Awesome found in: 2028
articles, excluding discussions.

That is not a small number. Step one would be to start looking for wicks and making sure they apply.
Neeek
12:56:35 AM Nov 8th 2010
It is possible that this category is so incredibly rare that it shouldn't exist as a trope. This is probably the most misused trope of all of them. In this discussion alone it has been misused in 3 of 8 posts, including the first one. And the rest of them simply don't address the matter.

Crazy Awesome isn't "crazy yet does awesome things" nor is it "Crazy But Awesome".

Crazy Awesome is someone who is awesome because they are crazy. Their insanity, for whatever reason, works. Really, really well. Most of the example on the page are characters who are awesome and crazy without the one leading to the other. Let's be clear: Monk (from the TV series "Monk") is Crazy Awesome, because when he isn't OCD, he's not nearly as good at his job and his being so meticulous is why he normally is. River Tam is NOT Crazy Awesome, because her being awesome is not remotely related to her insanity. She's awesome, and she's crazy. Her being crazy isn't what makes her awesome, if anything it makes it harder for her to be awesome.

The point is, this trope is so incredibly misused it might not have a point existing at all. And if it does exist, it needs a name that doesn't engender the spirit of "Holy Crap WTF was that!?!"
Westrim
10:15:20 AM Nov 8th 2010
You just modeled part of the problem. River's awesome IS directly tied to her craziness - if they hadn't driven her crazy, she could not be awesome, either in dialogue or in fighting (she might still be in dialogue considering her intelligence, but it would be very different dialogue). But her awesome does not directly derive from her craziness, they're side by side.
UncloudedTJ
12:03:22 PM Nov 9th 2010
edited by UncloudedTJ
-meant to create new topic ignore-
Jakob
03:52:44 AM Nov 28th 2010
edited by Jakob
Another issue is the the definiton of the word "awesome", because, to many people, insanity in fiction can easily equal awesome, simply becuase of it's eye-catching, sudden, unexpected little turns to hilarity. While indeed nice to watch and crazy by all accounts, these are not examples of insanity that works, and therefore not examples of this trope. for example, River's awesome is indeed tied to her craziness, but her insanity isn't one that works. The main reason the word awesome is used in the first place seems to be that it's an catch-all term that doesn't limit the examples because of the way in which the characters quirks take form. Which is also the source of the issue.

In other words, this trope in it's current state is bound to be misunderstood pretty much no matter what.

I do not, however, want to give up on this trope, because when the convuluted examples are out of the way, there are still examples of this trope that are legitimate. While i agree that the name is rather ingrained, we need a name that has components that aren't this vague. Of the top of my head, i suggest Pragmatic Insanity or an equivalent, to remove the possibilty of a dual meaning but still not limit the way in which the character's insanity works.
vmistm
04:00:21 PM Mar 18th 2011
Hmm. How about "Awesome by Insanity"?
Stoogebie
08:16:22 AM May 25th 2011
I think we should keep the name, but put in bold lettering that This is not for cases of being simply "very" awesome. The character in question must be insane to qualify for this trope!, or something to that tune.

Really, I like the name we have now, and a name change would be very frustrating for me.
ading
04:49:13 AM Aug 3rd 2011
^ The problem is, many tropers only read the definition of a trope if they don't think they can figure it out from the title. This doesn't matter much if the trope is Exactly What It Says on the Tin, or at least has a clear name, but with a name like Crazy Awesome...

I like awesome by insanity.
Stoogebie
08:35:19 AM Aug 6th 2011
I'd tell you that's ridiculous, but then I'd be a hypocrite
ading
04:12:08 PM Aug 9th 2011
^ You mean that tropers only read the definition of if they don't think they can figure it out from the title? Well, it's true. Hence why, for instance, Designated Hero is often misused as "someone who is designated as the hero".
AiliaSparrowhawk
05:41:20 AM Oct 30th 2011
I second awesome by insanity, but I'm a little hesitant. There are many definitions of the word "crazy", so I don't want worthy characters not being listed because they are not legaly crazy.
InfinityOrNone
10:42:41 PM Sep 24th 2012
Awesome By Insanity sounds like a good idea, but there's a further question that needs be adressed: what do we do about the misused trope wicks? Do we just retool the Crazy Awesome page into a YMMV page for characters who are Awesome Up to Eleven or what? The misuse of the trope is so endemic that a simple purge would probably be highly damaging to the site, and it would simply be reverted within a week or so by the same people who made the mistakes to begin with.
efmocat
04:49:28 AM May 13th 2013
I know what you mean LO Lin8or, but we get to many examples like

Tallahasse, from Zombieland, whose picture formerly graced the main page. While Columbus, is simply trying to survive, Tallahassee, deals with his depression brought on by the apocalypse by eating Twinkies, which he can almost never find. And he is so awesome that sometimes he is forced to rely on improvised weapons. At the climax, he's using rollercoasters.

So what else can we do?
DalesKaine
topic
11:05:49 PM Mar 19th 2010
Ah, sorry about my choice of picture. I'm really not getting this picture agreement things, I mean, how am I supposed to know? Anyway, sorry about that. JFY though, I haven't watched the movie yet.
Madrugada
moderator
10:55:51 AM Jun 29th 2010
Took Revy form Black Lagoon off the page. There's nothing in the example to explain the "crazy" part. It simply sounds like she a run-of-the-mill action girl and badass. Where's the Crazy part?

  • Revy in Black Lagoon is all about this trope. Most of the stunts she pulls would get a real person killed in short order, but being a Dark Action Girl with Guns Akimbo she survives and triumphs. Her ultimate showing of Crazy Awesome was when she, singlehandedly, defeated and sank five boats of heavily-armed enemies, jumping from one enemy boat to the next effortlessly.
Cukeman
10:15:15 PM Jun 29th 2010
edited by Cukeman
(whoops, I'm a moron)
Westrim
07:52:35 PM Jun 30th 2010
I'll admit I haven't seen much of Black Lagoon, but I have seen several clips (including that boat scene) and she definitely fits the trope by virtue of the manner and attitude that she does it in. However, I'm editing it to apply to more than just her.
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