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EarlOfSandvich
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02:14:44 PM Oct 22nd 2014
I am convinced that in light of some editing conflicts I've heard about, I believe there should be a forum discussion, much like that of the Pantheon, in order to make definite classifications of our characters.
SeptimusHeap
moderator
02:40:11 PM Oct 22nd 2014
That has triggered discussion for a while. Might be worth bringing up in the repair shop.
tatsuya_suou
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12:09:08 AM Sep 17th 2014
Er...why is Cloud ISTP? I mean, I could see arguments for it, maybe, but he really doesn't fit that type at all...most people that I've seen type him as an INFP, easily. Sometimes I see ISFP, but the general consensus is easily that he's a feeler over a thinker, but I type him as an INFP mostly because his dwelling on the past, and the fact at heart he really is a true idealist. It's easily apparent, at least to me, that his INFP shines through in Crisis Core, and I think when it comes down to it, that really is his type. If you want to argue ISFP, that's fine, I will. But he's getting moved out of the ISTP category, because that is NOT his type. He is NOT a thinker.
tatsuya_suou
12:11:25 AM Sep 17th 2014
For that matter...why the heck is Vincent an INFP? Nope- he's easily a thinker above a feeler, probably an INTP that I've seen him typed as.
aNinjaWithAIDS
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08:06:23 PM Jul 21st 2014
edited by 99.69.30.218
After thinking about this for several weeks, I noticed that I had glaringly mistyped several characters, many of them are from the Pretty Cure franchise. Since this mass move will be across 3 of the 4 temperaments' sub-pages, I think this issue is best discussed here. Here are the characters that will be moved and why:

Akane Hino/Cure Sunny — Was ENTP, now ESTP: She's not the creative and idea-catching spirit that a dominant Ne person would be. Her vision is primarily focused on what's current and tangible. She's also the most physically gifted person in her team, both as a volleyball player and as a Magical Girl Warrior. Her communication style is often blunt, factual, and dry; but can be counted on to say it like it is without hesitation. All of these hallmarks are telltales signs of an Se preference.

Miyuki Hoshizora/Cure Happy — Was ESFP, now ENFP: She's too much of a Cute Clumsy Girl for dominant Se to fit her. Dominant Ne makes much more sense because she speaks and sees with her imagination and her dreams. She walks, talks, eats, and sleeps to make herself happy and to spread that happiness from within her and not because those activities are simply good for her health. She reads her favorite Fairy Tales (her major hobby) differently each time to get a new experience from the same story, which lends itself towards dominant Ne. Her vision is also abundant with possibilities and has a vividly idealistic outlook despite what happens physically (See the page pic for Crash-Into Hello for a demonstration).

Erika Kurumi/Cure Marine — Was ENFP now ESFP (Another Ne to Se conversion):. She takes things literally and in the moment and has a true attachment to the physical environment and its happenings. This makes itself clear in several ways during her Establishing Character Moments:

  1. During Tsubomi's class introduction, Erika complained that her writing on the chalkboard was too small and that her quiet voice was as as modest as her writing. The way she so naturally uses her senses of sight and sound at this point to craft a joke that made every other student laugh is a huge point for dominant Se.
  2. Her love for fashion is also derived from this. She uses clothing as a form of comfort as well as colorful expressionism with a variety of fabrics and designs even in just one outfit. She can also make rather precise estimations of anyone's measurements just by looking at them even before she brings out the tape to do so anyway.
  3. Her fighting style as Cure Marine is extremely aggressive, hand-on, and animal-like. She learns by doing and adapts to every situation instinctively as well as rushes in to deliver attacks in mass and magnitude. When it comes to these fights, she is often courageous as well as relentless in her efforts to defeat the Monster of the Week and/or the Goldfish Poop Gang.

Tomoya Okazaki — Was INTJ now ISTP: He is another blunt individual (similar to Akane above). This move changes his first two functions from Ni/Te to Ti/Se, and here's why I believe the latter makes more sense:

  1. He prefers not to plan ahead at all (Se in favor of Ni), and thus his actions are constructed "in the moment". He exploits people's natural tendencies for his amusement and ours whenever the situation opens itself for him to do so. In general, he just wants to enjoy life, and he greatly desires change to move away from his Dark and Troubled Past and his boring lifestyle.
  2. The way he aims his dialogue reflects having dominant Ti. He speaks about one issue/person at a time yet he is so keenly focused and detached about it, he can often forget about a person's feelings entirely or make a major attempt to change the subject away from emotional matters. He's a logically minded person, and he uses it in inventive ways that make sense only to him In-Universe. He's not out to meet people most of the time either, but the friends he does have are more like playthings and tools in his eyes.
  3. His Character Development pushes him to understand his inferior Fe to help him see the emotions in other people to better understand them and himself as people. To explain more would make this wonderful series Spoilered Rotten.
SeptimusHeap
moderator
01:30:16 AM Jul 22nd 2014
Also, what is up with the mass of Zero Context Examples?
aNinjaWithAIDS
01:46:12 AM Jul 24th 2014
I have no idea. Maybe every example should be discussed perhaps? I can go back to do so for every other example I wrote in myself without any real issues, but I obviously can't do that for every character. This article is Just for Fun first and foremost, so I do not want this to become a real chore for everyone. What do you suggest?
aNinjaWithAIDS
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11:42:50 AM Feb 26th 2014
edited by 99.69.30.218
I found a minor mistype with another CLANNAD character:

Nagisa Furukawa: Was INFP, now ISFP. Like Yohei, she's quick to react to things that immediately concern her; but what sells her as Se is her expressionism through her body language and interest/high aptitude for acting despite being a high level Fi.
EarlOfSandvich
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01:42:56 PM Feb 15th 2014
I get a feeling we might need to split the pages soon. I think it'll be easier to manage if we split by medium rather than personality subgroup.
aNinjaWithAIDS
02:31:09 PM Feb 15th 2014
I agree and disagree with that. Yes, set up subpages. No, doing so by subgroup temperament is okay (Guardians, Artisans, Idealists, and Rationals). It's how these characters are already arranged in the first place and nobody has had any real issues about that before.
EarlOfSandvich
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12:37:48 PM Feb 13th 2014
edited by 129.101.0.80
I highly doubt that Team Fortress 2's Scout is an INFP, given that he's objective-based (something used for quickly capping points and capturing intels) and rather brash, a far cry from what's described as "absolute idealists" or "shy and reserved".
aNinjaWithAIDS
02:41:45 PM Feb 13th 2014
edited by 99.69.30.218
I agree. I also dont think he qualifies for N either. He's not meant to follow patterns or (even worse) to make himself predictable, but rather handle himself in the spur of the moment and react accordingly to what's going on around him: Completely Se.
aNinjaWithAIDS
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06:35:51 PM Feb 11th 2014
I had a minor mistype in one of my earlier posts between Yohei and Fuko. I changed their places with each other and I'll explain why:

Fuko: Formerly ESFP now ENFP. She has her sights set on her sister's upcomming wedding and personally works to make it more eventful for her. She sets future goals and is quick to see and then call out others' quirks.

Yohei: Formerly ENFP now ESFP. Yohei is too mentally short-sighted and is practically blind to abstract qualities like otherwise obvious manipulation which works against him simply because he believes everything he's told, and a toilet. Still, he instantly reacts to whatever goes around him should it concern him.
takkunn
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10:51:03 AM Feb 11th 2014
edited by 50.201.133.13
Can we please look into rewriting the type descriptions? Some are vague and inaccurate. For example, it's unfair to say ISF Ps "don't like confrontations" when their extroverted sensing functions drives them into conflicts. Characters like Rick Grimes and Luke Skywalker are perfect examples of fictional ISF Ps who get themselves into confrontations all the time. ISF Ps and INF Ps both have the potential to be the most passionate out of all the types because of their introverted feeling function, so saying they prefer a "live and let live" approach is very misleading.

Also, ISF Ps are in the Artisan tempermanet, which is well known for their hands-on, action-oriented learning style. So again, saying that they're laid back is pretty misleading.
aNinjaWithAIDS
08:59:37 PM Feb 11th 2014
edited by 99.69.30.218
Sensing functions don't always lead to conflict. It just means that they are fact driven and have a concrete overview. The ISFP's "don't like confrontations" portion comes from the F more than the S because this character cares about his/her Friends on emotional levels. ISFP's may not like conflict, but that isn't to say they completely avoid them. For example, Luke would never hesitate to fight the Sith head-on if they make sincere threats towards innocent lives (this is SF in action regardless of the other two functions, E/I and J/P).

—"ISFP's and INFP's both have the potential to be the most passionate out of all the types because of their introverted feeling function, so saying they prefer a "live and let live" approach is very misleading."

To answer both parts of the question: Yes to part 1, and not really to part 2. Their only diffrence is the S/N, or how their thoughts are gathered and formed. How these two types process and work those thoughts is essentially the same. However, that one difference really does affect how they look at things. This video will explain, but read the description because he does make a few mistakes in the video.

Let me explain the Artisan's "action-orientation":
  • Action (S); His thoughts are immediate, in-motion, and based on the big picture in the present time like a movie-shoot.
  • Orientation (P) His mind is open, flexible, ready to change direction at any given time.
    • See? This has nothing to do with being laid-back. Both of these qualities allow for quick thinking without much (if any) influential hinderance, which is the embodiment of The Artisan. Let me tell you something a bit personal: I am ISTP. I am also one of the most laid back people you can ever know, but this does not keep me from having a quick wit in any given situation.

What other descriptions do you have problems with that I can help explain?
EarlOfSandvich
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12:01:22 AM Feb 5th 2014
edited by 129.101.1.65
nvm
komahina
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09:00:34 PM Jan 8th 2014
So to talk about Nagito Komaeda and why I would say he is an INFP instead of an INTJ. The thing about his whole viewpoint on gaining the cultivation of the "ultimate hope," is mainly based around his own feelings towards the situations. He focuses a lot on creating the hope because he wants to become "Super High School Level Hope" and save everyone from despair because he feels that despair is something not worth anyones time (not exactly the ultimate bad though, because that would be putting it on the same level as hope which to him is the ultimate good.) He isn't in-tune with his feelings at all but a lot of his actions are driven by them. The way he acts towards all of the others and just the fact that he's introverted in general is mainly because of the things that happened to him in the past. His main reason for sticking around Hinata so much is because he felt like they were similar. He would be perceiving because of how willing he is to just jump into plans and such and how much he relies on his luck.
piddlesworth
12:58:08 AM Jan 17th 2014
edited by 72.193.39.249
His case with luck is a bit unique, since it's actually reliable for him. I wouldn't count it as concrete evidence, just like how Celes is an ISTJ despite her reliance on luck. In any case, his actions aren't really driven by feeling so much as they are by commitment to vision, which is absolutely the domain of Ni. He's not in tune with his feelings because... well, he sort of denies them, which could be any type, really. Being introverted has nothing to do with his past, though; it just means he lives more in his own inner world than the outer world.

That being said, I'm leaning towards INFJ just because his vision of hope is so ungrounded in reality, despite being internally consistent, and he has a certain way of manipulating the social atmosphere and reading others (he was the one to deduce the relationship between the chapter 2 culprit and accomplice), and everything he does is all towards One Grand Vision. He also tends to synthesize conclusions in general in an Ni-dom matter, and I'm speaking as one, so I think INFJ should be a good compromise here. Maybe a looping one.
piddlesworth
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03:37:17 PM Jan 4th 2014
I saw a few mistypes and I feel the need to offer explanation for my edits. I don't feel like typing essays for everyone so I'll be uncharacteristically brief.

Sayaka Miki: ESTJ, formerly ENFP. She might seem F because her character arc centers around love, but that's not all there is to her. Te tends to strive for justice and is often a bit more... vindictive than Fi in that regard (though it is fueled by Fi). It's most apparent in her dynamic with Kyouko, and how it becomes apparent later that it's not even based on her own feelings that she seeks justice, based on what a magical girl IS rather than what she feels it should be. As for S, her attachment to classical music for how it reminds her of Kyousuke is actually the definition of Si.

Madoka Kaname: INFP, formerly ENFP. The types have the same functions, but she's more driven by her own personal feelings and ideals than her ideas. She's pretty social at times, but that doesn't necessarily make her an extrovert.

Fire Lord Ozai: ENTJ, formerly ESTJ. His visions are a bit too far-reaching for Si.

Sokka: ENTJ, formerly ENTP. He's the goofball, sure, but that doesn't necessarily make him P. He's too structured for that—remember when he actually made a schedule during the early half of season 3?

Misa Amane: ESFP, formerly ENFP. I'm not really sure how to explain this one, and you're free to argue, but I suppose she's a bit too... single-minded for the idea-driven ENFP.

Sasuke Uchiha: ISFJ, formerly INTJ. Sasuke is a bit too malleable for an INTJ. His ideals might seem Fi-driven at first, but if you think about it, they're all instilled in him by other people—very Fe. This even goes back to when he was a child and sought the approval of his father. Ni vs Si was a bit tough, but I ultimately went with Si because he focuses more on the past than the future.

Itachi Uchiha: INFJ, formerly INTJ. Read his speech about personal reality and tell me he seems Te at all (which would consider such things as reality more objective). His commitment to vision is fairly Ni, though. He's able to put his emotions on the backburner fairly well, but that's because he's been trained from childhood to do so and says nothing about his type. His ideology isn't his own and a major crossroad for him was when he had to choose between the ideals of his clan and the ideals of the village.

Kabuto Yakushi: INFP, formerly INTJ. He's too focused on finding his own identity to be anything other than INFP.

Orochimaru: INTP, formerly INTJ. His ultimate goal is immortality, but he's too inclusive in his pursuit of it to be Ni. Ti-Ne fits him much better.

A word about Naruto types in general: you have to keep in mind that everyone is corrupted by the cruel Shinobi world. That's sort of the point.

Nagito Komaeda: INTJ, formerly INFP. INFJ is a valid interpretation, but his judging functions are so warped that it's hard to really make the call here and I only went with INTJ to balance things out since I moved so many other INT Js. Anyway, his focus on a vision of the creation of hope rather than feeling a certain way about hope in general hint at him being an N-dom rather than F-dom, and his way of reaching fully-formed conclusions just screams Ni-dom. There's more to it than that, but he's not really driven by his own personal feelings in the way an INFP is, nor is he very in-tune with them. For goodness' sake, the boy didn't even realize he wanted to be loved until he found out he was dying.

Junko Enoshima: ENFJ, formerly INTJ. I'll try to be spoiler-friendly here, but I have no idea where INTJ even came from? She's really extroverted. I went with ENFJ because her ultimate goal (aux Ni) is based on the emotions of everyone (dom Fe), but she's such an odd character that I'm not really sure she can be typed properly.

Terra Branford: INFP, formerly ISFJ. I've known a lot of INF Ps, and there's a certain way they get lost in their own emotions that Terra really reminds me of. More specifically, her entire character is driven by her own personal feelings.

Celes Chere: ISTJ, formerly INTJ. I'm not really sure how to explain this one, but she's not really... forward-reaching enough in her goals to be Ni-dom.

Severus Snape: INFP, formerly INTJ. Both types have Fi, but his inventiveness with potions strikes me as more Ne than Te. There's some debate on this one, but all the arguments I've seen for INTJ seemed a bit flawed.

Lucy/Kaede: INFP, formerly ENTJ. She's basically the definition of broken INFP so I'm not sure how this mistake was made?

I also removed a few duplicates.
aNinjaWithAIDS
02:38:44 PM Jan 6th 2014
I can explain Misa Amane's move for you: Her mind thinks in the here and now. She isn't worried about the future at all and doesn't care about long-term consequences, unless if it's about Light that is.
piddlesworth
01:00:08 AM Jan 17th 2014
Perfect. Thank you.
aNinjaWithAIDS
11:28:48 AM Jan 20th 2014
You're welcome.
takkunn
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08:16:58 PM Dec 26th 2013
edited by 76.120.248.160
Soichiro Yagami from Death Note is on here two times, as both ISTJ and INFP. Both are personalities that are fairly different from one another, and if I had to personally choose which one he fit more I'd say ISTJ.
mickomoo
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06:39:54 AM Dec 23rd 2013
Batman. He is a genius mastermind, but he also (usually) has a strong adherance to core values and sometimes his ablity to calculate might be affected by what he is willing to sacrifice for his plans
Thunderchin
12:15:42 PM Nov 19th 2014
He's an ISTJ, not an INTJ. Sure, he's a strategic/contingency planner, but he always struck me as Si.
Lavode
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06:35:22 PM Dec 22nd 2013
I put Chad from Bleach back in the INFP category - he's mainly concerned with helping and protecting others and doing what he feels is right, not with logic and analysis, so he's hardly an INTP.
do-fish-have-fingers
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07:45:12 PM Dec 20th 2013
Do you guys think Terezi Pyrope from Homestuck would be an ENTJ? She's extroverted, she relies more on her theories than her senses (as seen in her "investigation" of Tavros, Feferi, Nepeta, and Equius' deaths), is stubborn about her theories and morals, and acts on her thoughts rather than feelings (thus leading to her killing her Scourge Sister Vriska). I vote we add her to the ENTJ pile.
SomeGamerKid
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11:30:23 AM Nov 14th 2013
Okay, I added Ivan from Golden Sun as INFP, but only because the description for that describes him perfectly. However, every time I've taken a Myers-Briggs test for him, (answering as I think he would answer) it always turned out INFJ. So, I think I need a second opinion. Would anyone else mind taking a few Myers-Briggs tests for him?
aNinjaWithAIDS
01:58:51 PM Jan 6th 2014
I think I know why Ivan got a J: He's too rational and not spontaneous enough for P. If I recall correctly, Ivan is usually the one who keeps Garet in line for most of the game — a definitive J trait.
do-fish-have-fingers
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02:54:47 AM Aug 12th 2013
edited by 216.99.32.44
Azula definitely reads as more introverted than extroverted. She kinda sucks at dealing with new people, and tends to do better in "small, elite groups". I'd type her as an INTJ. Plus, her ambition totally reads as Ni dominance. I know that it manifests that way in me, at least. That seems to be her most defining trait, making Ni her dominant function.

Also, Gregory House is totally an INTJ. He just is pretty much the stereotype of INT Js. You rarely see him at parties- he spends most of his free time with just Wilson or playng his instruments. He's definitely an introvert, albeit a sarcastic one. And he's definitely more one to jump to a conclusion and be stubborn than keep his opportunities open (did you ever see the episode "Not Cancer"?). He knows what the diagnosis is, how the patient will be treated, and has no regard for what the rules say, and is totally uncompromising. There is no P there.
wolfofthestorm
02:33:06 PM Aug 30th 2013
Introversion and extroversion have very little if anything to do with how social someone is; rather, it deals with energy and how a person relates to it. Azula doesn't live in her head, nor does she derive any power from being alone — quite the opposite. She achieves power through other people, dominating and commanding them. The marker of "fieldmarshall" embodies her natural ascendancy and drive for power.

tl;dr: Azula should be put back in the ENTJ category.
TheDarkMuffin
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04:50:42 PM May 17th 2013
Chell solves the puzzles in Portal so that she can escape.

GLaDOS does it for science. You monster.

With that, I really believe that Chell and GLaDOS should switch places as INTJ and INTP. INT Js are very thoughtful and are often figuring out how things work and solving complex problems, but only to serve purposes they can fulfill or to change the world around them. INT Ps solve complex puzzles and gain knowledge for the sake of solving puzzles and gaining knowledge.

It can be argued that GLaDOS is much more organized and that Chell is not so, but I know for a fact that many INT Ps can be organized, despite the myth that many believe, and that many INT Js can be EXTREMELY disorganized.

I agree with the rest, though. They're IN Ts. Chell could be an E/F, which would explain why she loves preserving relationships, even with inanimate objects (Companion Cube). They're both Ns, definitely.

I just wanted to make a topic before editing so as not to be too haste with this.
GallifreyanAeris
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04:03:55 AM Feb 11th 2013
I agree that a lot of these typings are poorly thought out.

For example, Harry Potter is listed as an ENFJ. Harry is a very obvious SFP—impulsive, bold, athletic & competitive(quiddich champ) and I would guess probably ISFP. SP (Artisans) excel at tactics- "bettering one's position in the here and now" (David Keirsey in Please Understand Me II). Harry consistently exhibits strong tactical abilities (being such a good fighter/Auror potential). Also, Harry is definitely a concrete person not abstract (as NF's are). Harry also does not show the cooperative tendencies of an NF who values cooperation for the purpose of unity and harmony (and therefore NF's excel at diplomacy—not one of Harry's strengths). Just because Harry is fighting for a great cause, does not mean his personality is Idealist (NF).

I also can't swallow such a broad generalization (also in the ENFP category) that states "Aang, Iroh, and Roku from Avatar The Last Airbender - All of the avatars are ENFJ."

Aang is probably one of the strongest examples of an ENFP (Champion) I have ever come across in fiction. I don't see how someone could think he was an ENFJ (Teacher). I think this shows a poor understanding of J vs. P. Both Aang and Iroh are actually great examples of Perceiving personalities. Both are so laid back that they often frustrate the other characters around them that are trying to get things done. J stands for Judging and both of them are exceptionally non-judgemental towards others. Where a J will see things as bland-and-white, P's (Perceiving) personalities see shades of grey. Where a J might put someone into a category of "good" or "bad" P's are much more likely to see the possibility of good in someone who is labelled "bad" (like Zuko). Aang is the first to suggest the possibility that Zuko and he could be friends and he is also most willing to accept Zuko (when he did turn Zuko away, he had to be talked into it by the J's of his group). J's are also called the 'schedulers.' Neither Aang nor Iroh could be considered schedule-type people by any stretch of the imagination. Aang would have been willing to fly around the world gathering experiences (but fun and training experiences) for years before confronting the Fire Lord—showing some of the procrastination tendencies of a Perceiving personality. He only became focused when a deadline was imposed upon him (defeating the Fire Lord before Sozin's comet). Also, coming at the question of Avatars' personalities from the standpoint of P vs. J only, I would guess that Kyoshi is probably a J. The Waterbender Avatar previous to Korra (I don't remember his name) is a self-proclaimed P, the one time we see him he states that he was a very "go with the flow" Avatar—definitely not a J. Also, I would argue that Roku is probably a P also. NFP's, though very adept at reading people will occasionally be wildly inaccurate judges of character—like when Roku let Sozin live because he wanted to believe Sozin would do the right thing. A ENFJ would probably not have made the same mistake.
Alchemist
06:14:26 AM Feb 22nd 2013
I fixed Harry and Aang! Even worse was listing Korra, of all people, as an ENFJ, when she's definitely a fantastic example of an ESTP.
Clownboss
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04:49:12 AM Jan 29th 2013
edited by Clownboss
Somebody seriously messed up a lot of the things on this list a few days ago. It was just perfect a month ago. I mean, V and Ron Weasley both ESTJ? Cartman an ISFP? Fluttershy is INFJ? Homer Simpson, Sonic, and the Scout are INFP? Vegeta is INTP? It's like someone took a bunch of the characters from the list and just jumbled them all over the place randomly. Someone is seriously fucking with us.
R4N
11:52:08 AM Feb 8th 2013
Yes, I agree. There's loads that are totally misplaced. It's anarchy! What on earth happened?!
Brotrooper
06:35:57 PM Feb 13th 2013
How do we go about fixing this? Did anyone copy and paste the list before it was defaced?

I imagine that an ESTP did this.
Clownboss
04:50:33 AM Feb 18th 2013
edited by Clownboss
We can just fix it from memory and... heheh, intuition.

Not me, though. I'm way too busy for the following weeks. Shame cuz I'm crazy for organising lists like these.
Alchemist
06:06:26 AM Feb 22nd 2013
I fixed all the Airbender, Korra, Fullmetal Alchemist, Kingdom Hearts, and Final Fantasy ones. I had to save since I ran out of time, and now I'm going to do the Harry Potter ones and whatever else I can find. Seriously, a lot of these are just ridiculous.
Alchemist
06:12:22 AM Feb 22nd 2013
And now also Harry Potter is fixed. I added Catwoman back to ESTP, but I don't have much time for more editing.
Angewomon
01:50:58 PM Mar 19th 2013
Okay, who the hell put Johan Liebert from Monster as an ENFJ? o_O He's not an extrovert at all and I'm not even sure if he's an F.
Mucky
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07:57:25 AM Jan 19th 2013
"Sokka from Avatar The Last Airbender. He's an interesting mix. He is both INTJ and ENTP. Both complement each other."

You can't be a mix of two personalities. Stop this nonsense.

Every personality type has a set of four functions out of a total of eight, ordered by preference. Since there are 16 different types and only 8 functions, there is bound to be some overlap. That doesn't mean you can be two different personalities at once. That's not how the MBTI works.

A person/character's personality is determined by observing which function they prefer the most, and working from there. In Sokka's case, he clearly prefers extraverted intuition (Ne). He is always coming up with new jokes, and he's friendly and optimistic. Granted, he relies on plans and strategies. That's the way he solves problems, approaching everything as if it were a puzzle to be assembled. An INTJ is more ambitious; they use plans as part of a specific long-term goal, and work towards perfection. Sokka isn't ambitious like an INTJ. Based on that, we can say that he's an ENTP.
MurkyMuse
10:26:52 AM Feb 6th 2013
I just noticed Sokka on the INTJ list. I can't see him as an INTJ at all. He is clearly an extroverted character. I agree that ENTP fits him much better. He also has strong introverted thinking (Ti), which is the auxiliary function of ENTP.
berrya89
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01:22:51 AM Jan 13th 2013
For anyone interested, here is a chart for the 16 personality types. it is a My Little Pony Edition. http://ponydom.org/Thread-Myers-Briggs-pony-edition A lot of them match up with the list (all but 2), but Celestia is suggested to be an INTJ (make of that what you will, being an INTJ myself I could see it as a possibility, and traits do overlap some so nothing says she can't be a very warm and supportive INTJ. She does keep to herself a lot) and Pinkie Pie an ENFP instead of an ESFP which is justified considering her Pinkie Sense among other things that would display more intuition on her part than sensing, though it can be hard to distinguish between sensing and intuition if you don't know what they both mean and just how they differ.
ZeroJanitor
01:11:03 PM Jan 13th 2013
I also take issue with Twilight being an INTP. She's shown to be more comfortable when in control of her surroundings and her admiration of authority might her point closer to an ISTJ personality.
berrya89
12:27:26 AM Jan 15th 2013
True but traits can and often do overlap some so I take the mlp list as more what they are closest to instead of what they are 100%. Also, it is probably often tricky to label a rather very dynamic character as a personality type and it make sense to everyone (likely why not all of the mane 6 appear on the examples page).
ctang15
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10:42:51 PM Dec 25th 2012
Does anyone else think it's a good idea to create Myers-Briggs sub-pages for works (like Trivia or Headscratchers)?

It'll be a lot easier to look for specific characters and there'll be room for people to explain why a certain character is of a certain type.
Link5794
04:17:18 PM Jan 16th 2013
That sounds like a wonderful idea, but it also seems like a daunting task that will take a lot of time and people.
Clownboss
04:48:49 AM Feb 18th 2013
I support this, actually.
Tul
05:14:22 AM Jun 7th 2013
edited by 70.33.253.44
I support this too.

Without explanation for why a certain character is typed that way, this page is just being constantly re-edited, and also there are so much mistyping in this list that it isn't very useful to get a good idea of types in fiction, I think.

Also, sub-pages specific to a certain work would give us an overview of character types within the work, which I think might be very interesting.
ZeroJanitor
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01:56:56 PM Nov 29th 2012
There seems to be a trend happening here, where if one troper disagrees with another's typing, they'll simply move it to the type they feel appropriate with no discussion whatsoever. I feel this causes unneccesary edit wars.

Should we do something about that?
Koraki
02:57:20 PM Nov 30th 2012
I've noticed that, too - there might be some confusion over the correct response to a perceived mistype, as nothing in the description really addresses it. Perhaps adding a direction to take disputed typings to discussion would do the trick.
sparrowspera2
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11:48:33 AM Nov 29th 2012
I'm tentatively adding Balthier from FFXII as an ENTP for now, but if anyone can make a super-strong case for him as an ESTP please change it. He's pretty obviously Extroverted etc., but the N-S thing is throwing me off. He's got that vicious ENTP wit for sure. His whole "Leading Man" complex is very suggestive of the ENTP tendency to view the world as an audience. But then, there's this conversation with Ashe:

Ashe: "In this Esper we now command rests a power whose worth is beyond any measure" Balthier: "Is that so? Call me old-fashioned, but I was hoping for a treasure whose worth we COULD measure."

There's a couple of other lines like that that make me think more Se. Any thoughts?
TooGoodToBeTrue
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11:28:20 AM Nov 2nd 2012
What about "27 Dresses"? Anybody know what Kevin/Malcolm Doyle's personality type is?
sjack
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11:58:18 AM Sep 22nd 2012
This page has some serious mistyping in its characters. Indiana Jones, his son, John Mclane and John Conner are ENT Ps? Are you serious? Please indicate where you notice the Ne in any of these characters? Indiana Jones and his son both use Se, and I'm going to say that Indian Jones is an ISTP, with a very developed tertiary Ni, probably due his father pushing him towards a more academic and intuitive field of archaeology and teaching. There is absolutely nothing remotely intuitive about his son, who strikes me as an XSFP. I'm going to go with ISTP or at least XSTP with Mc Lane due to the very physical nature of his character, which is related with Se, not Ne. How anyone could see any Ne in him is beyond me. Same with John Connor.

While I do agree that Nami from Durarara!! seems likely to be an INTJ, it is less likely with Shinra, who displays his affection towards Celty through a very Fe manner, so he's possibly an INFJ or another ENTP, just not a sociopathic, manipulative one like Izaya....or at least not as manipulative. Edward Elric also strikes me less as an INTJ and more of an ENTP because of his strong use of Fe and also his contempt of authority, something that seems to be more of a thing with XNT Ps, rather than XNT Js. Since XNT Js possess Te, they feel more comfortable with working within the system, like for example Roy Mustang, who I strongly believe to be an INTJ, rather than Edward Elric.

I'm not sure if whether typing Holmes as an INTP is accurate and I guess it really depends on which adaptation we're looking at that determines his personality type. I haven't read much into the novels, but at first he seemed like a mish-mash of different stereotypes of "eccentric geniuses" that Doyle tossed in and meshed together, hence why he might appear to be both XNTP and XNTJ. However, in the new BBC television series, Sherlock, he's a straight up INTJ. His nicotine addiction implies inferior Se and his sudden "AHA" moments imply dominant Ni. He unconsciously gather information about his environment through his inferior function, Se, and then synthesizes an elegant solution through his dominant function, Ni.

P.S. This page needs some editing. Edward Nigma is listed both under ENTP and ESFP the last time I checked.
Metrogari
04:29:55 PM Nov 2nd 2012
edited by Metrogari
Since that example is talking about book Holmes his characterization in Sherlock is irrelevant. I would peg ACD Holmes as an INTP based on his moodiness and how he has no problem changing his decisions on a dime as new information becomes available. Not very Judging traits.

Also removed Edward Nigma from under ESFP, he's generally a pretty strong ENTP.
zhoro
07:29:22 AM Jan 3rd 2013
INT Js are able to change their decisions if new data has arrived (inferior Se) for them to synthesize new hypothetical scenarios (dominant Ni). Types should be determined by cognitive functions, not something as nebulous and vague as "judging traits". INT Js are actually more "perceiving" than INT Ps since their dominant function, Ni, is what Jung called an "irrational" function, meaning that it works in an unconscious, perceptive way. I haven't read all of the Sherlock Holmes books, but I find the reasons here for him to be typed as an INTP to be unsatisfying.
Tul
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08:07:48 AM Aug 6th 2012
edited by Tul
Gandalf from the Lord of the Rings:

This isn't the first time I see him typed as an INTJ, but I think he is quite the INTP. He never plans anything, but sees every possibilities and adapts depending on the situation (see many times during the quest). He can be quite slow to make a final decision. He can spend years or generations studying a completely inconsequential subject that is of no interest to anyone but him (the life and customs of Hobbits?). He can spend an impressive amount of time debating the meaning of "Good morning" with a poor confused hobbit who did nothing to deserve it. He never takes leadership himself until there is really no other choice but prefers to remain in a counselling position (= let the others do most of the planing and administrating and then come in and tell them they're wrong). He creates fireworks for the fun of it while Saruman or Sauron creates the equivalent of gunpowder. He becomes competent at the hobbit art of smoking. He frequently gets frustrated by the idiocy of the rest of humanity. He likes showing of his knowledge. Even though he says he is getting tired of the endless questions of curious small people (Pippin or Faramir as a child), he grows quite fond of them. He isn't the sort to show outward expression of affection, but you know he cares deeply anyway. He doesn't know how to dress himself, looks like a poor old beggar beside his dashing superior Saruman. He has all the INTP insecurities about doubting himself while trusting his intelligence at the same time. He is the absent-minded professor, he is talking to you one moment and the next his mind goes wandering and he is talking to himself about who-knows-what. Suspecting Bilbo's ring to be THE ONE EVIL RING OF THE ENEMY, most dangerous artefact ever created that can ruin the world if ever it is found by bad people, what does he do? Does he take immediate action to prevent a disaster from happening just in case, like putting the ring in a safe place *now*? Nope, he goes roaming through ME making researches, to be sure (studying in passing other magical object like the palantíri and stuffs).

So yeah, I don't see why INTJ rather than INTP. ^^
Thunderchin
12:23:14 PM Nov 19th 2014
I'm an INTJ and I approve of this message. INTJ and INTP are, by far, the most oft-confused pair of the sixteen different types. It doesn't help that every single [INTx] I've ever known, myself included, is perfectly capable of jumping the J/P line for varying lengths of time, even if their "preferred" side of the line is clearly on either one side of the fence or the other.
ZeroJanitor
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10:08:28 PM Jul 11th 2012
I noticed George Costanza of Seinfeld is listed as an INTP, but I personally feel he's ENFP. He's very emotional and principle-based, suggesting Ti, and he tends to need people around to bounce his plans off of.
Lavode
12:26:21 PM Jul 20th 2012
I get the impression that his main goal in life is to win approval, and he seems to be driven by emotion, so yes, why would he be an INTP?
CrazyDawg
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02:24:30 AM May 2nd 2012
Twilight Sparkle's an ISTJ; she's very OCD about a lot of things. Such as when she hosts a slumber party by religiously following a checklist of what makes the best slumber party — and then going "You guys have to have fun so I can check 'Have fun' off the checklist!". If she was INTJ or an INTP, she would throw out that book and come up with her own ideas for a fun party. And "Lesson Zero" is another good example, where she freaked out at having forgotten to give Princess Celestia a report just once.
ZeroJanitor
06:17:31 AM May 2nd 2012
It's possible to have obsessive-compulsive tendencies and still be a P. Besides, she's had moments where she's displayed INTP tendencies (i.e. Boast Busters, Winter Wrap-Up). If anything, she's right in between the two..
Belfagor
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11:18:45 AM Apr 11th 2012
edited by Belfagor
From Kung Fu Panda 2:

Is Lord Shen more of an ENTJ or an INTJ? I'm tending towards ENTJ because of the poor self-control he shows in the end.

Wolf Boss could be an ESTJ: despite being brash, he shows a great loyalty and behaves like a Father to His Men.
CrazyDawg
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08:42:28 PM Mar 15th 2012
Is Rainbow Dash from My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic an ESTP or ISTP? She's very Hot-Blooded, but she's also an adrenaline junkie too, which suggests the ISTP's love of Xtreme Sports.
ZeroJanitor
11:04:13 AM Mar 24th 2012
She strikes me as more of an ESTP. She seems to be fairly extroverted.
BronBron
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10:13:07 PM Feb 23rd 2012
Brian Griffin  is a rather obvious INTP. His dominant function is clearly introverted thinking (Ti)—detached, unemotional judgment based on an internal framework of logic that examines without any particular external goal (unlike Te, which judges the external world in order to change it). His character was written from the earliest episodes as a mouthpiece for the snarkier observations of Seth Mc Farlane (himself a Ti-user as well, though an ENTP rather than an INTP).

As for Parker, while there are variations across portrayals, his type is indicated not by his interest in science (though since we're dealing with characters rather than real people, stereotypes often do apply—they tell you which real-life cliches the creator had in mind when he developed the character) but rather by his inferior Fe. His heroism is counterphobic; i.e. he embraces it because it does not come naturally to him and doing so offers a rewarding release of the tension with the inferior function. It's the same reason why, for instance, the INTJ Arnold Schwarzenegger was a body builder and movie badass despite his inferior Se (Se is the inferior function of INTJs).
Vyctorian
12:02:45 AM Mar 12th 2012
Sorry but no Peter has dominated by Fi, it's painfully obvious he's an INFP. Based on his personality and actions. His counter phobics traits are likely the cause of him having a 6w7 enneagram.
Lawyer
10:03:42 AM Mar 25th 2012
edited by Lawyer
How is his dominant function Fi? His dominant function is clearly Ti, as he constantly uses logic to break down ideas.
BronBron
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10:19:44 AM Jan 28th 2012
Peter Griffin: No offense or anything, but ENTP is insanely far off the mark. ENTP’s dominant function is extroverted intuition (Ne)—think Seinfeld, Conan, Dr. House, or the Joker. Seth Mc Farlane himself is surely an ENTP and the style of the show is very Ne-oriented (jumping from one wacky scenario to another without much connection), but Peter himself is clearly not. His dominant function is extroverted sensing (Se): enjoying and exploring the world around him as it is and without much thought about what it means. On the strength of that alone, it isn’t necessary to say anything more about the ENTP guess.

Gary Oak: Ambitious, dominant, aloof, and intolerably arrogant—-a bully who’s actually as good as his boasting would have you believe. These are dead giveaways for someone who has strong preferences for extroverted thinking (Te) and introverted intuition (Ni). In other words, an ENTJ.

Satan: Again, the most significant features of his character are his overbearing drive to dominate others/not be dominated by anyone else (even when the someone else is the omnipotent creator of all things) and his fantastic arrogance and confidence in his own rightness. That’s Te with Ni; ENTJ. The dominant function of ENFJs is extroverted ‘’feeling’’, which is concerned with emotional appropriateness based on the feelings/needs of others and adjusts the internal world to suit external needs and values. Tony Blair, Oprah Winfrey, and Nelson Mandela are real-life examples of ENFJs.

BronBron
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04:06:01 PM Jan 21st 2012
Voldemort: inferior function is plainly Fi, which is why he constantly scorns ideas like love and compassion and goes on about how "there is only power and those too weak to take it."

Harry Potter: plainly Fi-dominant, which makes him a good contrast to Voldemort. His healthy embrace of love and friendship and all that over power, reason, and so on  is overwhelmingly evident. To believe that he's an INTP, you have to believe that Fe is his inferior function—in other words, that he's naturally aloof, unemotional, spacey, weird, and robotic, which is nonsense. Luna Lovegood is the only example of such a person among the Harry Potter characters here.

Albus Dumbledore: almost a stereotype of an INFJ—clear Ni-dominance, both in his extremism as a young man and his benevolent manipulation of others as an old man; clear auxiliary Fe in his "kind grandfather of the school" attitude. INTP is a ridiculous typing.

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