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NatTheWriter
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06:46:49 PM Mar 6th 2010
edited by NatTheWriter
RE: Image-Changing

Seeing as Rei and Misato have had their pictures changed, perhaps Shinji and Asuka could follow suit? Although I'm not sure which images would be the best replacements.
Willbyr
07:23:22 PM Mar 6th 2010
edited by Willbyr
A still shot of Shinji that's actually one of Sadamoto's would be ideal. Asuka's pic I'm alright with right now, mainly because it's straight from the opening credits like a lot of the other kids' are, but if changing it is the way opinions go, then that's cool. The pic I really want to change right now is Kaji's, I've never really cared for that pic...I'll do some digging.

EDIT: Alright, what about the pic of Kaji that's at his article in The Other Wiki? Also, here's a pic of Asuka straight from Der Mond...

NatTheWriter
06:00:45 AM Mar 7th 2010
Oh, yes. That's an excellent picture of Kaji. :) The picture of Asuka is pretty good, too, though we might have to choose a different picture. It needs a bit of resizing and cropping due to the edge of the paper and shadows on the right, and the image looks strange (composition-wise, for the most part) after the cropping.

I've looked a bit through the manga's cover pages, though it's difficult to find a picture of a character that isn't partially obscured by the title.
Willbyr
08:13:25 AM Mar 7th 2010
edited by Willbyr
I've switched out the pic of Kaji. Here's some links to images of Asuka.

Intro scene
Poster for Eva 2.0
A better version of the Der Mond pic

Some options for Shinji:

Plug suit
In the entry plug

NatTheWriter
12:46:18 PM Mar 11th 2010
We can use the nicer-quality Der Mond picture for Asuka. Not so sure about either of the pics given for Shinji. The colors on the first are kind of garish, and while the second is alright...hmm.

Could we use screenshots from Rebuild?
Willbyr
01:17:50 PM Mar 11th 2010
edited by Willbyr
Don't see why not. The pic of Shinji that's in the liner notes for Rebuild 1.11 might be a good one. I may see if I can scan it tonight, and I'll change out the Asuka pic when I get a chance.

EDIT: Change of mind...the more I look at the Rebuild 2.0 pic for Asuka the more I like it. Here's a cropped and resized version. How's this?
NatTheWriter
02:08:33 PM Mar 12th 2010
That looks great. =) It does a much better job at demonstrating her personality. It's rather large, though—could we crop it at about the waist?
Willbyr
02:34:04 PM Mar 12th 2010
edited by Willbyr
No problem...if I get time tonight, I'll take care of it.

EDIT: I decided to go with the full pic, the cropped version just didn't look right.
NatTheWriter
01:33:47 PM Mar 22nd 2010
I found a picture of Shinji via Evageeks and cropped it a bit. Would this work? I can shrink it to fit as needed.
Willbyr
03:03:09 PM Mar 22nd 2010
Looks great! I played with it a bit and uploaded it, how's it look?
Willbyr
10:28:08 AM Mar 23rd 2010
RE: the pic of Gendo. It's a really crisp pic, and the "adjusting the glasses" move is about as classic as his hand bridge look, but if you can't see his face then it's not gonna do much good for this page.
NatTheWriter
06:23:47 PM Apr 2nd 2010
I've replaced Misato's image. Her previous picture seemed out of place due to the bright colors and medium, contrasting heavily with the more subdued appearance of the three pilots'.

Should it be shrunken a bit? I have the feeling that it's too wide.
Willbyr
07:49:48 PM Apr 2nd 2010
Yeah, it could stand to come down a little. Good pic otherwise.
Willbyr
07:12:44 AM Apr 3rd 2010
Looks good, Nat.
Willbyr
10:15:19 AM Aug 15th 2010
I've added a pic of Naoko; I've found a couple of possibles for Kyoko.

In the hospita
When she appears to Asuka in EoE

Anyone got a preference?

codenamehunterwolf
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12:19:53 AM Mar 11th 2010
Rei's not a badass huh? Let's look at that. She was crippled in the first Angel fight and gets up to fight again when Shinji doesn't, she steps in the path of the fifth Angel's attack to defend Shinji, takes command during the NERV blackout, goes on a suicide run against the fourteenth Angel, snipes then lances the fifteenth, goes on another suicide run against the sixteeth, and does...something during the fight with Kaworu. Pretty badass stuff. If you don't think it applies what trope might?
NatTheWriter
04:33:46 AM Mar 11th 2010
One's "badassery" (for lack of a better term) is kind of diminished when one is merely following through on orders, as with the first, fifth, and fifteenth. Generally a badass is the rebellious sort. :/ Taking command during the NERV blackout and sacrificing herself (sort of) are certainly impressive on her part, though.

I'm not sure what exactly she did during the fight with Kaworu besides go down to watch and give an eerie stare.

The term "badass", in how it connotes a rebellious nature, doesn't mesh too well with a character who is an Extreme Doormat. She begins to break out of her shell near the end of the series (hey, she gave Gendo the metaphorical finger in End), but her actions are heroic, not badass.
Willbyr
04:38:56 AM Mar 11th 2010
Agreed; Asuka is the only character who is really close to being an inherent badass, and even then that gets massively subverted.

As far as the Kaowru fight, IIRC she used her own AT field to cancel out Kaworu's.

Nat, do you have an opinion on any of the pics I posted?
codenamehunterwolf
05:10:03 AM Mar 11th 2010
edited by codenamehunterwolf
Fair enough. I believe her actions deserve some type of credit. I've added Heroic Sacrifice as a trope and wonder what else might fit.
NatTheWriter
12:59:00 PM Mar 11th 2010
Willbyr: I've replied now. Sorry for the delay.
NatTheWriter
07:21:47 PM Mar 29th 2010
Just for the record:

Similarly to how Rei is not a badass, Mari is not that moe. She's a little too ax-crazy for moe.
NatTheWriter
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04:55:41 PM Apr 8th 2010
edited by NatTheWriter
Hi! I'm not sure how many other tropers have seen Rebuild 2.0, but could any of those who have please help out with Mari's description? There's not much to add, given that she has yet to be fully fleshed out, but it could use a bit of tidying up. I kind of rushed on it.
Willbyr
05:30:22 PM Apr 8th 2010
I'd do it, but I'm purposely abstaining from doing anything with Rebuild material to stay as spoiler-free as possible.
Willbyr
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02:57:21 PM Apr 11th 2010
Regarding First Kiss: I think the deconstruction comes from how extremely awkward it is, and how it doesn't make either of them more secure with their feelings for each other. It's actually subverted in the manga.
NatTheWriter
06:30:24 PM Apr 11th 2010
edited by NatTheWriter
Aaah, crud. I forgot about the implications a first kiss carries in Japanese culture. ^^; Silly me. Added it back.

...Which makes me wonder, now. Should we keep the tropes like that and Dude Shes Like In A Coma on this page, or the main one? They're not so much characterization tropes as interaction tropes (for lack of a better term for it). I think there was a similar discussion over Do You Want To Copulate.
Willbyr
07:05:09 PM Apr 11th 2010
Hmmmm...they could probably stand to go back to the main page.
MarqFJA
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01:48:46 AM Apr 27th 2010
edited by MarqFJA
(Moving from the Evangelion forum thread)

The "Angels/Seed of Life" section could use a few spoiler tags for the newcomers' benefit. And a maybe a pic or two for the Eva category, at the very least the three main ones used by NERV; I think I have an official artwork group pic for those three on my hard drive. Got three; damn, I can't decide which is more fitting.

I also suggest adding a sub-section under Other for a collective trope list of the various other characters that don't really merit their own sections, in the same way as Mahou Sensei Negima's own sheet.

Re Shamshel: It's named for Shamsiel, name meaning "Sun of God", so it fits a bit with its time of attack; however, most of the Angels attacked in broad daylight too, and technically Sachiel was the first to do so. Thus it seems like Shamshel is the exception to the Meaningful Name rule.
NatTheWriter
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04:32:13 AM Apr 27th 2010
Codenamehunterwolf: While I'm more confused than skeptical, I'm having a hard time perceiving Rei as a Warrior Therapist. Could you explain here, please? ^^;
Willbyr
01:33:41 PM Apr 27th 2010
Eeeeeyeah...I'm really not seeing it either. The closest that I can think that Rei does this in the anime is when she tries to tell Asuka to open her heart to her Eva, and that ends up being a subversion since Asuka blows her off.
codenamehunterwolf
12:14:02 AM May 1st 2010
That would be one of the examples that comes to mind. Others would include using herself to guilt Shinji into piloting Eva (shown more in the manga) and reflecting Ritsuko's comments about his attraction to Rei back at her, which could be a subversion as Ritsuko promptly attempts to kill her. A lot of what I'm thinking may be closer in tune to Spirit Guide, so feel free to axe the example if need be.
NatTheWriter
05:30:22 AM May 1st 2010
It's more of Spirit Guide than anything. The issue is more with the "warrior" part, really, Rei being Rei.

Shall change it. ^^
NatTheWriter
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06:12:49 PM Jun 4th 2010
I gave Shikinami a sub-section under Asuka, as her character is so vastly different from Soryuu that they're barely the same person. Also makes for less clutter.
Willbyr
09:26:35 PM Jun 4th 2010
It looks good, nice call.
131.191.38.228
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08:37:25 PM Jun 16th 2010
Asuka's bosoms in their first appearance are HUGE, and than in later appearances (I apologize if this has been mentioned before) are smaller, and I was wondering what trope would be indicative of that. I know that the commentary SOMEWHERE jokes that it probably was a result of EVA stress.

This probably got addressed AGES AGO, but I can't find it.

Appreciate the assist.
NatTheWriter
03:55:52 AM Jun 17th 2010
MarqFJA
11:38:08 PM Aug 20th 2010
Can you give us screenshots for comparison? You should also consider that the character designs in the anime did experience Quality several times, so that could be the reason why Asuka's size shifted.
Willbyr
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06:36:00 AM Jun 29th 2010
In regards to Naoko's suicide - IIRC, in the manga she runs away from Rei's corpse with her arm over her eyes, which implies that she immediately took a header off the MAGI, whereas in the anime the episode transitions directly from her strangling Rei to the bloody outline. In the latter case, there's no way to know whether or not this happened immediately after Rei's death; she could've been pushed off the top of the MAGI sometime later, or she could've jumped. Opinions?
MarqFJA
08:53:45 PM Aug 15th 2010
The manga is considered to be an Alternate Continuity / Continuity Reboot / Alternate Timeline that is separate from the anime. What may true in one isn't necessarily true in the other.
Willbyr
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03:54:07 AM Aug 19th 2010
RE: the last edits in Rei's section. "Pro lifer"? Is that supposed to be a metaphor?
codenamehunterwolf
08:12:50 PM Oct 6th 2010
Sorry for not getting on this before now. If you look at some of the scripts for End of Evangelion she states that "Everybody has a right to life" in regards to causing Instrumentality. From memory this is her view if the actual line is not spoken. You like I can check Youtube and find the scene for the english dub.
Willbyr
03:47:25 AM Oct 7th 2010
Hmmmm...if that's the case, that line should probably be changed considering how narrowly "pro life" gets defined anymore.
MarqFJA
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12:11:02 PM Sep 20th 2010
edited by MarqFJA
How can Shinji be both a Cowardly Lion and The So Called Coward? From what I get from reading the former's article, the two are mutually exclusive sides of the same coin, and thus one can only be either, not both.

And is the Supreme Chef bit in the TV anime too, or just restricted to his Rebuild incarnation?
MarqFJA
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08:58:14 PM Sep 20th 2010
edited by MarqFJA
The trope lists for Mana and Mayumi need to be populated further IMO.

Current suggestions:

If it wasn't obvious, I did not have the privilege of owning/playing the games in which they debuted.
MarqFJA
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05:30:54 AM Sep 30th 2010
Technically, Nerv and Gehirn are successive incarnations of the same organization; all of Gehirn's living employees became Nerv members following the 2010 reorganization. Shouldn't that mean that we should merge the Gehirn and Nerv sections into a "Nerv/Gehirn staff" one?
Willbyr
06:00:58 AM Sep 30th 2010
Nah, I'd say leave it as it is. If we do want to make the distinction clear, I'd say put a note at the start of the Gehirn folder that those characters were with the organization before it became Nerv.
azul120
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08:53:46 PM Oct 30th 2010
Would Asuka also fall under Informed Ability for her prodigiousness, which takes a backseat to her issues?
MarqFJA
04:44:51 AM Oct 31st 2010
Well, her acquisition of a college degree by age 13 (she's 13 and 1/2 years old when she debuts) is the only sign we are given of her genius; that, and her Rebuild incarnation is a military captain-ranked officer at the same age.
azul120
02:22:24 PM Oct 31st 2010
I thought so. Her character is defined as that of being a major misfit, and her rush into battle that leads to her Mind Rape really drives it home. Personally I think she should be the one on the Pantheon (under Fallen) for the trope.
ndalum75
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09:06:27 PM Nov 4th 2011
Would one care to explain Asuka's so-called fear of intimacy? Because from what I felt, considering what she said to Kaji, "Kissing, and even the stuff after that!" she doesn't seem to me to have much fear of intimacy.
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