Lost And Found You've got this trope sticking in your mind. You can remember the general idea, and maybe an example or two, but you'll be damned if you can remember what the thing's called, and the search function turns up nothing relevant. Ask about it here.
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10:18:45 PM 9th Mar 2014
The Presents Were Never from Santa is about perceived divine help when there isn't any in particular.
Do we have something for the reverse of that? I.e a perceived hard work that does a thing when in fact there's something special behind it.
Ambiguous Syntax is about phrases which can be read in more than one way because it isn't clear what part of a sentence a modifier is meant to apply to. Made from Real Girl Scouts is about things named after something because they're associated with them being interpreted as them being made from them.
The main thing to keep in mind is that the former works because of a grammatical quirk (wikipedia has an article on it too), the latter works because of a semantic quirk (a phrase with an existing meaning can be read differently to the normal meaning).
"Rogue Demon Hunter" could mean "hunter of rogue demons" or "demon hunter who is rogue" because it isn't clear if "rogue" is being applied to "demon" or "hunter" (and the sentence reads correctly either way).
If our demon hunter meets a demon who's eating "dog biscuits" and there's an awkward pause it's Made from Real Girl Scouts, since it's not clear if the demon's eating biscuits meant for dogs (the normal interpretation) or biscuits made from dogs.
If the demon says he snacks on "demon hunter biscuits", it's both. He could mean biscuits that are designed to be consumed by demon hunters (which he stole from previously defeated hunters) or made from demon hunters, making it Made from Real Girl Scouts. The structure of the sentence falls under Ambiguous Syntax.
Think we got a trope when a villian taunts the protagonist throughout the work, even though they don't interact physically until the end?
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09:11:07 PM 9th Mar 2014
You might want to give an example for this scenario, as it's not quite specific enough. Is the antagonist insulting the hero whenever the former gets scenes? Is the antagonist able to do this because he's the narrator of the work?
08:23:42 PM 9th Mar 2014
YKTTW like in Shrek and on tv you'll hear used, guy 1:*asks a(probably dumb) question*. guy 2"yes". guy 1"really?". guy 2"NO!"
So it isn't a trope by itself? i kinda thought it would be, i've seen it so many times by now.
07:51:06 PM 9th Mar 2014 edited by Bakazuki
I'm looking for a trope where something in a scene is perceived through different points view for comedic effect. One POV (sometimes through the eyes of a particular character and sometimes not) must be grounded in reality and show what the thing being perceived as it really is, while the other(s) (which must be through the eyes of a character) show an exaggerated display based on their own personalities and/or interests.
In Yellow Fever, a YouTube short that satirizes interracial dating/attractions and people's tendency to be overly concerned with them, has the protagonist bring two girls over to his apartment only for them to be distracted by his male friend. In the girls' eyes, the friend is basically shown as an adonis. In the protagonist's eyes, his friend is simply making his sandwich. (seen here)Later on at the end of the short, the aforementioned friend falls victim to the same thing (seen here).
In the Hiimdaisy Persona 4 parody comic, as the three boys of the group share a tent for the camping trip, Yosuke sees the player character and Kanji as exaggerated Boys' Love stereotypes while reality shows they're just hanging around, as a way to satirize what some saw as homophobic reactions from Yosuke to Kanji in the game proper. (see the page image used for Shipping Goggles)
Hm... I think that's stretching the definition of that a bit more than I am comfortable with, even with trope flexibility put into consideration, though I think part of the fault lies in me for the way I parsed my attempt at explaining what I'm looking for. To clarify, I can easily argue against that suggestion with the first example of the first work cited. The protagonist's retelling of that past event is clearly his perspective/POV and his alone; the short just gives the audience a glimpse at what the girl's are "seeing."
06:52:38 PM 9th Mar 2014
Bob asks a very important question, something that both he and the audience want to know. Alice replies in evasive terms, which are not a clear "yes" or a clear "no". For example:
Bob: Alice, I have to know it, did you had sex with Joe?
Alice: Bob, look around yourself! We are under attack by the enemy army! This is not the time or place to make such questions! Go there and continue the fight!
(as you may notice, the original question stays without an answer)
That's an audience reaction, I'm asking for the type of answer within the story. The audience may not be pissed off if the answer is eventually provided; but good works do not give all the answers right away, and build the mistery for some time.
06:40:33 PM 9th Mar 2014
Do we have a trope for when a character absolutely insists on helping another character with everything? Second character will likely scream Stop Helping Me!! The first character might be doing this out of guilt, or perhaps another reason.
And the variation: the second character gives up on trying to tell him to Stop Helping Me! and engages in subtle passive-aggressive tactics. Okay, if you're going to insist on helping me with everything, despite my protests, then you're going to help me with EVERYTHING. Cue the second character demanding crazy or difficult things. If the first character refuses, then the second character will put on the sad puppy-dog-eyes and say "But I thought you wanted to help me?" This puts the first character in a tough situation. He either continues to refuse (which is pretty much admitting he was wrong to go overboard with the helping like this), or he just sucks it up and does the crazy/difficult thing, much to the amusement of the second character.
It appears that the first-person or third-person narrator is breaking the fourth wall,but at the end is actually revealed to be talking to someone in-universe. This could make it a kind of epilogue, for instance the guy is telling the story to his kids which reveals to the audience that not only did he get the girl at the end of the story, he eventually married her and started a family. Could over lap with Narrator All Along, but not necessarily. they also don't have to necessarily be talking, they could be writing a letter or some other form of communicating with someone.
What's it called when a dim-witted character is being interrogated and misunderstands the demand to "tell us everything". I know this happened once on Rocky and Bullwinkle where Bullwinkle drones on and on about useless trivia, and another time in The Goonies where Chunk confesses to every bad thing, no matter how petty, he's ever done in his entire life (frankly its quite impressive he remembers them all). I'm certain that similar gags have been used in other works as well, so I'm guessing there's a trope for this, but I haven't been able to find it.
Ethics tags in Dwarf Fortress are programmed in a way that results in "good" civilizations (that think murder and cannibalism are bad) often starting wars of aggression against "evil" civilizations (that think that kind of thing is A-OK). This is odd and not intuitive and I'm sure it falls under some trope or another but I'm not sure which one(s).
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05:15:39 PM 9th Mar 2014
For Great Justice? Doing things that are often perceived as "good" simply because it's a good thing to do?
Is there a good-guy version of Even Evil Has Standards? NotEveryone Has Standards, but some action that goes against a purely good character's every moral fiber, but will happily perform. For instance, CJ in GTA San Andreas tells Big Bad Tenpenny no one snitches, not even if it would kill Tenpenny, or save CJ's own life or his brother's. Tenpenny laughs, reveals it's the D.A. he has to snitch on, CJ immediately asks what he has to do. Often involves Acceptable Targets, for obvious reasons.
Is there a trope for when a character looks upset at first when they see something disgusting or worrying, but after a short pause they say it is "Amazing!" or something like that?
Examples: "(upset voice)Is this monster drool?... AWESOME!" / "(sad voice) We ruined his life... COOL!"
I've noticed this in various shows, but I can't remember them all.
Is there a trope for when character A is doing something that could be described using two different terms, each one on opposite ends of a Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking scale, and when character B tells character A to stop doing it by using the "jaywalking" term, character A will ask him to use the "arson" term? Here is the quote from Rosario + Vampire that made me curious about it:
Kurumu: Mizore, would you quit spying on us?
Mizore: I'd prefer it if you call it "stalking".
Possibly, but I think it also has some No, Except Yes and Blackmail Is Such an Ugly Word in there. (the best way I thought of to say it based upon these would be:
A: "will you stop bribing people?
B: I'd prefer it if you call it "blackmailing"
Just explaining why I was adding the other ones I mentioned
08:55:53 PM 8th Mar 2014
Is there a trope for a character that resembles and has similar mannerisms to a main character but no one really sees it aside from perhaps an Aside Glance or something? I've noticed it tends to crop up a lot in sitcoms, usually for a quick gag in a scene, and it's never brought up again. It's usually emphasized to the audience that these random people are acting an awful lot like the wacky characters we know and love.
I swear it's a trope and I'm just not sure what it's called, so it'd be much appreciated if anyone could help me out here.
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04:03:24 PM 8th Mar 2014
Is there a trope for when a parody becomes better-known than the thing it's parodying? For example: several "Weird Al" Yankovic songs are taken to be wholly original, because the actual songs they parodied have sunk into obscurity. And then there's the movie Airplane!, which fewer and fewer viewers realize is based on a string of now-unwatched '70s disaster movies. With some older parodies, the targets may actually end up being lost to history.
What's the page for this? It's when a character is waiting in the dark, usually in the living room, often in an armchair, and either the other character enters and turns the light on, surprised by the other person, or the first person turns a lamp on. Either way, the first person will say "You're late." or "What took you so long?" or something along those lines.
What do you call it when everything has the same level of danger and difficulty? The hero gets hurt by a guy with battery-powered boxing gloves but manages to recover and defeat the villain. Then he gets hurt by a guy who can bench-press an aircraft carrier but manages to recover and defeat the villain. Then he gets hurt by an alien invasion space fleet but manages to recover and defeat the villains. Then he gets hurt by a combined attack by all the megabeings in all the megauniverses but manages to recover and defeat the villain. And all in the same amount of time, too.
What's the name of the "Love Chart" that is used in detective stories?
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02:30:59 PM 7th Mar 2014
06:38:59 PM 7th Mar 2014
What exactly do you mean? Could you give an example?
07:51:22 PM 7th Mar 2014
It's basically the Love Chart, except instead of relationships, it shows the connections between the evidence and suspects for a crime. (only occurrence I can think of is in Kamen Rider W, when they do the episode recap)
Just curious, but what is the reason for committing suicide? (there are different tropes (at least I think there are, so don't hold me to that) depending on the reason)
11:10:18 AM 7th Mar 2014
Is there a trope for the thing where from episode to episode (or arc to arc) characters suddenly have different back stories or are completely different characters, but have subtle hints that connect them to who they originally were? I'm thinking similar to American Horror Story or Cloud Atlas or even quite a bit of the Lupin III manga. Thanks!
Is there a trope for either of these two things:
1. Bob is practically dead; he's in limbo. Alice begs him to come back and he returns to life.
2. When a person is being killed or kidnapped, s/he may reach out for the hero or cry for him to help, just to heighten the angst.
Examples: In Finding Nemo, Nemo screams, "Daddy, help me!" as the human diver takes him away.
In the Star Trek episode "The Doomsday Machine", an anguished Decker describes his crew crying out to him as the titular Planet Eater consumed the world they were on.
In Homeward Bound: The Incredible Journey, Sassy begs Shadow to save her as she struggles in the river. He tries his best, but is not fast enough to keep her from going over the Inevitable Waterfall.
Just a quick one: Can you identify the oft-used trope where a character, usually an obnoxious TV reporter or journalist, says something sufficiently offensive during a filmed interview that the interviewee responds by punching them.
The reporter picks themselves up and wryly comments to the cameraman "did you get that?"
Appears in Die Hard, Any Given Sunday, and Mass Effect, to name but a few.
Closest I can find is "is this thing still on?" but that trope is describing a different event.
I see your logic but that's much the same trope as "is this thing still on". That's more about being caught on camera admitting to something villainous, rather than simply being humiliated or put-in-one's-place for all to see.
In Die Hard Holly Mc Clane punches Dick Thornburg in the face on live TV for intruding on her family's privacy and nearly getting John killed in the process. Dick goes "did you get that?!" to his cameraman as he's holding his bleeding nose.
It's the classic come-uppance of an annoying character, and is almost ALWAYS followed by the "did you get that" line to the amused cameraman.
03:41:01 AM 7th Mar 2014 edited by CodenameBravo
I would appreciate if somebody could tell me what the tropes are called when media spreads misinformation, hatespeech, or propaganda. Thanks for any help.
Seems to fit for me. I couldn't find a direct trope for that scenario, but thought when a character sees through some trick he is usually being genre savvy so you might be able to apply it.
Anyways, could you say that it is simply subverted with the meaning of the trope being incorrectly guessing the purpose so its subversion being the character correctly guessing the purpose.
02:59:48 PM 6th Mar 2014
When a hero is forced to act in an evil manner by a villian. Threatned by having someone they care for( their woobie) put in jeapordy.
I looked all over the Parody Tropes page, and couldn't find this, but I figured I'd ask here before starting a YKTTW.
Is there a trope for when the writer of a parody leaves clues to let people know that the work is, in fact, a parody? Many parodies, of course, can be mistaken for the very thing they're making fun of, and then they get taken seriously even though they shouldn't. To this end, creators will often "flag" the work as a parody by releasing it on April 1 (April Fool's Day), or referencing future events that they couldn't possibly know about, or quoting "experts" with obviously-made-up names (although this can backfire also).
For example, in 2010, the creator of Brawl in the Family posted a Cease And Desist letter from Nintendo telling him he needed to shut down his comic. However, savvy readers would have picked up on the fact that 1) The letter was posted on April Fool's Day, and 2) the letter mentioned several strips in particular, one of which hadn't appeared yet.
So, the question is, is there a trope that describes the clues put into a parody work to let you know it's a parody?
Is there a trope that describes the cycle between good in evil like in star wars? (good is dominating, evil grows stronger in the shadows, nearly destroys good, evil dominating, good grows stronger in the shadows, destroys evil...and so on)
Is there a trope where a merchant's pricings are way too high for beginning players, or simply way higher than it's actually worth?
Guilty of misusing Adam Smith Hates Your Guts here.
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07:21:09 PM 2nd Mar 2014 edited by Bisected8
Funny story; you'd think it would be in the description for ASHYG, but it wasn't. I only found it because I got bored and decided to read the examples (it was pot holed in the Chrono Trigger example). Let me fix that....
07:59:40 PM 2nd Mar 2014
Thanks! I'll be fixing the wrong potholes I made on that subject.
A downplayed version Teaser Equipment was what I was looking for. No Hero Discount requires the hero to save or help the merchant for the trope to apply, which is not the case with Petrus (sells you basic magic at an unreasonably high cost; affordable, but still costier than what you can gather at this point).
Early Game Hell applies, but I sure as hell wouldn't apply it on a character entry.
11:47:22 AM 6th Mar 2014
Is there a trope for when a character who has their brain removed seems to be just fine even without it?
A man is accused of sexual harassment by a woman. Instead of simply denying it, he instead makes a list of why he wouldn't do it, which boils down to insulting the woman and/or calling her ugly (i.e., wrong hair color, too short, too much makeup, too clingy, etc.). If played for laughs, she'll often break down in tears instantly, especially if she's an Alpha Bitch.
Something like All Men Are Perverts meets Even Evil Has Standards: he's not denying he's capable of sexual harassment, just not with her.
Is there a trope for when a spy disguises himself as a friend of his target, but when he gets to said target (who's completely fooled by the disguise), he gets the "usual treatment", which is something he didn't expect.
An example would be in Rosario + Vampire Season II, when the guy Who impersonated Tsukune received Kurumu's Marshmallow Hell, got Glomped by Yukari, and was nearly frozen by Midore.
It's definitely not Be Careful What You Wish For, but there might be a little bit of Hoist by His Own Petard in there. One key part is that the imposter most likely bit off more than he could chew. If the impostor was hired, he might utter the line "I didn't sign up for this", if that somewhat helps specify what I'm asking about.
07:33:50 PM 5th Mar 2014 edited by madgodzulcan
Gone Horribly Right? He succeeds at impersonating someone and because he succeeds so well he treated to things he wasn't prepared for.
07:10:15 PM 5th Mar 2014
Is there a trope for when the main character of a game is one of the bosses while you're playing as somebody else? NOT when you're playing as the main character and fighting a doppleganger or evil counterpart of the main character. It must be the actual main character and you must be playing as somebody who isn't the main character.
A few examples.
LEGO Pirates of the Caribbean has you fighting Jack while playing as Will on more than one occasion.
Megaman Battle Network 5 and 6 both have a Brainwashed and Crazy Megaman as a boss fight while playing as your choice of any of the other playable net navis.
In the PS3 version of Tales of Vesperia there is a Colosseum match that has you fighting the party members you didn't put in the playable party. You can fight Yuri if you do not put him in your party.
It's a significant enough difference to qualify as a different trope.
It's not. For this fight you are still playing as someone else against the character you've been playing up until the perspective switch.
For example, Asura and Yasha fight each other repeatedly, despite both being playable characters, with the former being the title hero.
02:29:38 PM 3rd Mar 2014
No, Dueling Player Characters does not specify fighting the main character. Fighting player characters happens all the time but fighting the MAIN character almost never happens and feels especially jarring when it does. (except for in fighting games which for obvious reasons don't count)
It has a different meaning behind it. Fighting a player character is like that character betraying the main character but fighting the main character is like the main character betraying the player themselves.
02:38:27 PM 3rd Mar 2014 edited by AnoBakaDesu
It's a Sub-Trope and it should stay that way. There is no more to argue on this point.
I know that in Sonic Heroes there are two stages in each story where you have to fight against one of the other teams (i.e. team sonic vs. team rose). Do you think that's a good example?
08:07:18 PM 3rd Mar 2014
Dueling Player Characters does not have to specify the main character in order to encompass the situation. IF it should go on a different page, then it would be a Sub-Trope.
DAN is suggesting you write up an explanation on the same page as DPC as an Internal Subtrope for people to find because they don't feel it needs a separate page.
06:21:43 PM 4th Mar 2014
Sonic heroes wouldn't count because when you fight say team sonic you are either playing as team dark or team rose and at the time THEY are the main characters, not sonic but in the examples I listed above the characters you are fighting are STILL the main character at that specific point in time even though you are fighting them. It's THEIR story, not somebody elses yet you as the player are still working against them for whatever reason. The designers could have just let you keep playing as them but made it a hopeless boss fight however instead they let you be the person who beats them up. Disgaea 3 does this pretty well with one of the bad endings where the main character himself drops from the party and attacks one of the support characters who you control for that fight. With Dueling Player Characters even though you are fighting a playable character you are still most likely playing as the main character but when a game suddenly forces you to fight against the very character you are supposed to actually BE it represents something completely different than just fighting a player character. Just because you're fighting somebody you can play as you still aren't playing that characters role when you DO play as them, the role you are playing is still that of the main character.
09:25:52 PM 4th Mar 2014
I'm going to argue a bit of semantics here. I don't think your examples are quite what you think they are. In LEGO Pirates of the Caribbean, I'd imagine that you are taking over a particular POV character for those segments, much like Lego Marvel Superheroes. So, you are given control of Will, who becomes the main character, while you fight Jack. In Mega Man Battle Networks, you aren't technically Mega Man. You are the main character that uses a program called Megaman.exe for a majority of the game. It's really no different than being Ash in Pokemon Yellow and using Pikachu as your main fighter. Even the Tales example, you specifically say that it's Splitting The Party that decides who you fight. All your possible team members could be your opponents in that case, so you aren't really fighting the main character there either.
11:29:28 PM 4th Mar 2014 edited by SpoonElemental
I'll give way to the Lego Pirates example but not to the Megaman and Tales of Vesperia example. Megaman.exe shares the role of main character with Lan and it's established that Megaman IS sentient. They're both just as important and as for Tales of Vesperia I don't see how being able to deliberately choose to fight the main character means you aren't fighting the main character. Granted I probably can't dig up enough examples to justify actually making a trope page that doesn't mean it isn't a trope in the first place. I've always found fighting the main character to be especially jarring in a way that you don't normally get just from fighting somebody who is playable. Imagine how you would feel if in a sandbox game where you have your own custom character you were suddenly shoved into the shoes of an NPC and told "Kill your custom character" It would be really weird but the only way to progress is to do it.
Oh and another example. In The Binding of Isaac one of the possible final bosses you can fight is Isaac while you play as one of the seven deadly sins.
Alright, thanks guys! Foreshadowing is what I was looking for.
10:51:07 AM 5th Mar 2014
When a race or group of people believe theyrr ascending to a higher plane of existence, but are actually being rounded up for mass execution. Some examples are the clones in The Island, and the (can't remember what they're called) androids in Cloud Atlas.
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10:34:37 AM 5th Mar 2014
This exists, I know it does. Two more examples I can think of involve an episode of Futurama, where all of the robots got party invitations to this island, but the real plan was to exterminate them. Also the famous Twilight Zone episode "To Serve Man".
Do we have a trope for when two siblings who are not twins of any kind (identical or fraternal) look like they are identical twins (the only difference amounting to "younger version vs. older version")?
Example: Fate and Alicia Testarossa from Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Innocent. In the original continuity of Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha and its sequels, Fate is a clone of Alicia (who is a Posthumous Character, having died in an accident prior to Fate's creation), so it makes sense that the two look virtually identical. Not so in Innocent, where as far as we can tell, they are normally born sisters, and Alicia is specified as still being older than Fate (by about two years, that is).
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I'm pretty sure these tropes exist, I just can't find them:
1) a situation where a family is suffering socially-enforced consequences for the actions of one member
2) one related descendent has nothing but contempt for the transgressor, but ends up doing the exact same thing they did (and starts to understand why)
Black Sheep covers the individual, but this is more Black Sheep does a bad, is punished, and the family suffers a loss of social status as part of a separate punishment (for the crime of...being related to the Black Sheep).
Actually, In the Blood may fit better for the former than the latter. The latter is...something else. They had different reasons, but because of circumstances, the end result is the same. Eh, I'll find it eventually. Thanks!
Is there one for when a character in spy or secret mission stories uses the same cover identity on multiple, unrelated jobs (for example, Nate Ford's sleazy lawyer identity Jimmy Papadopoulos on Leverage) or even the same name across several unrelated cover identities (Sam Axe as a hundred different Miami men who are all named Chuck Finley in Burn Notice)?