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SolipSchism
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06:46:32 AM 31st Jul 2015
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Do we have a trope that covers works where the galactic core (generally the Milky Way, though I could see it happening elsewhere) is an Eldritch Location, or is inaccessible and remote despite the rest of the galaxy being traversible, or is full of dangerous shit—basically, works where the galactic core is Super Mysterious and/or Bad News?

(Mass Effect 2 spoilers below)

  • In the Zones of Thought, the laws of physics vary based on distance from the center of the galaxy, and can be divided into Zones of Thought due to the fact that the farther out you go, the more technology is possible. The innermost Zone—the galactic core—is known as the Unthinking Depths, because the laws of physics there are so restrictive that conscious thought isn't even possible—upon entering the Depths, most sentient life forms would simply die immediately due to their brains shutting down.
  • In Mass Effect 2, the galactic core is revealed to be the location of the Collectors' home base. They use it because they have the technology to make it a viable location for a permanent installation, whereas most species would be unable to cope with the high concentration of black holes and stars, which makes it an excellent secret hideout.
  • In Greg Egan's short story "Riding the Crocodile", the galaxy has been fully explored and is populated by a multicultural group of civilizations known, appropriately, as the Amalgam. The only region of the galaxy left unexplored is the galactic core. No one has ever attempted to enter the region, and all nonsentient probes sent in have come back out several hundred years later (despite how it sounds, that's an extremely short timeframe in context) with no record of anything between when they disappeared and returned. It's obvious that the cause is artificial, but beyond that, absolutely nothing is known about whoever is sending the probes back. The story chronicles a couples' attempt to breach the core and meet with the elusive race or culture that the Amalgam has dubbed "the Aloof" due to their total unwillingness to engage or communicate with anyone outside the core.

Given that I encountered both of those literature examples within the last year (the works themselves are older, but still), I'd find it really hard to believe that this isn't something other artists have used. Existing trope? Worth a YKTTW?
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DAN004
05:50:29 PM 30th Jul 2015
Definite thing: we don't have this.

But personally I have doubts whether this is really tropable or not.
Khantalas
11:50:43 PM 30th Jul 2015
Considering how many times a series with casual interstellar travel treats going to the galactic core as some sort of magical journey, I'd say it's a common enough expectation in such fiction to have become a deliberate design decision (whether by averting it or playing it to the hilt).

However, while it does fulfill that half of being a trope, I'm not sure how we would explain the reason/purpose of the trope.
Freezer
12:06:26 AM 31st Jul 2015
I figured Star Trek's "Great Barrier" would be attached to such a trope, being exactly what the OP described. It's not. Definitely tropable.
randomsurfer
06:46:32 AM 31st Jul 2015
There's a recent ykttw Alien and Eldritch Edge of the Solar System. I know "edge of the solar system" and "center of the galaxy" aren't the same thing on a cosmic scale, but they sound to me similar enough to lump.

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MajorStranger
Medium: Live Action TV
05:35:29 AM 31st Jul 2015
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I have tried to find this trope here but it seems it hasn't been codified yet. When the Hero is on the run, he find someone to help him (almost always an elderly gentleman with a shaddy past trying to atone for his sins). They sit at the dining table, chat while drinking alcohol. Hero then leaves, but seconds after the bad guy comes knocking at the door of the gentleman, asking about the hero. gentleman lies and seems to be getting away with it until the bad guy look t his table and see two glasses instead of one. The main part of this trope is that the hero is betrayed by dishes on the table.

I have seen this scene a dozen times in both television and movies. Is it worthy of note?
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Khantalas
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05:11:07 AM 31st Jul 2015
What is the trope for when a person who is famous in their own right also has a fictional persona that is often referred to as separate from the person?

An example would be Jack Black, famous musician and actor, and Jables, slightly less famous musician and one half of the rock duo Tenacious D.
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Bisected8
05:06:16 AM 31st Jul 2015
Khantalas
05:11:07 AM 31st Jul 2015
Yeah, that's the one. I tried finding it by looking up Andy Kaufman, but I had a brain fart and forgot Andy Kaufman's name.

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elecyan
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04:24:55 AM 31st Jul 2015
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This:

Bob: Aha I knew it he did play that character. I told you I wasn't crazy.

Trevor: Bob, that's a chicken.

a chicken is revealed

Bob was telling the chicken that he wasn't crazy.

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StarTropes
05:03:43 PM 30th Jul 2015
Are you talking about a)Bob seemingly talking to Trevor when he's actually talking to a chicken, or b)Bob claiming that he's not crazy while talking to the chicken?
eroock
06:29:43 PM 30th Jul 2015
elecyan
07:54:54 PM 30th Jul 2015
@Startropes A
jormis29
12:37:47 AM 31st Jul 2015
DAN004
04:24:55 AM 31st Jul 2015

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Candi
Medium: Literature
02:44:34 AM 31st Jul 2015
Need a bit of help on Age Of Bronze.

The suitors' sacred oath compels even those who would rather stay home to join the campaign against Troy. For some reason, I keep thinking "But Thou Must", but that reads more as a video game trope to me. Is that the trope, or is there another?

What's the trope for Odysseus feigning madness to avoid having to fulfill his suitors' oath? I can't seem to find one to fit.

Paris starts out okay, but turns into an arrogant git about three years into the story's timeline. I'm not sure which trope fits.

Thanks muchly!
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Khantalas
02:44:34 AM 31st Jul 2015
Odysseus's thing sounds like Obfuscating Insanity.

Paris apparently Took a Level in Jerkass.

The sacred oath sounds like a Magically Binding Contract, but I'm not exactly sure on that one.

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DAN004
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11:56:50 PM 30th Jul 2015
How would Ditzy Genius relate to Mad Scientist?
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Khantalas
11:56:50 PM 30th Jul 2015
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Mad Scientist is very much a speculative fiction trope, involving the scientist who creates usually impossible stuff and generally cannot be expected to bother with stuff like social niceties, morality or consequences.

In comparison, Ditzy Genius is something that can be found in other types of works - someone who is (usually academically) very successful, but have a few fields where they falter. This might be social skills, or it might be sports, or a specific field of scientific work. The characters in The Big Bang Theory would be Ditzy Geniuses, for example, but they would not be Mad Scientists.

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eowynjedi
Medium: Live Action TV
11:45:41 PM 30th Jul 2015
So Genre Savvy is getting cleaned up for misuse, which has also happened on The West Wing. But with a couple of those examples, the characters are talking about how something is going to play in the media/news cycle. Would that still count as Genre Savvy?
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eroock
04:08:02 PM 30th Jul 2015
Khantalas
11:45:41 PM 30th Jul 2015
If it is directly relevant to the plot at hand, it could also be Discussed Trope.

((There are so many ways we can play with tropes and awareness thereof without involving Genre Savvy.))

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DAN004
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06:52:37 PM 30th Jul 2015
What's the difference of Genius Ditz and Idiot Savant?
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Scorpion451
06:52:37 PM 30th Jul 2015
Genius Ditz - a genius that is completely incompetent outside their area of brilliance

Idiot Savant - someone with legitimate mental issues has some Blessed with Suck talent(s) resulting from a quirk of their brain's unusual wiring. Truth in Television. The Rainman is a common subtrope, with the original based on a real guy who was actually more impressively talented at math and memorization than the portrayal in the movie.

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Istigkeit
Medium: Live Action TV
06:42:35 PM 30th Jul 2015
I am totally sure that this trope is here somewhere, but do you guys know, where can i find about how 'Good' seems to get away doing not so nice, humiliating things. It happens lots of times, the good guys made a funny, practical joke on the soon-to-be antagonist/minion/goon, and we are like, thats okay, 'coz they are the good guys, but what the other bad guy did to revenge it is far more worse. But there are times, where I think its not true, it just seems like the good side is in some kind of positive karma debt, which sliding the scales in favor of them becoming some kind of minor karma houdini, or something like that. So, can you help me, whats this trope is?

(sorry, if i have made mistakes, english, isn't my first language)
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MarqFJA
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03:06:34 PM 30th Jul 2015
What tropes apply to the Christian concept of the Trinity, which "defines God as three consubstantial persons, expressions, or hypostases: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit; "one God in three persons"," where "the three persons are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature"," and that "in this context, a "nature" is what one is, while a "person" is who one is"?

PS: This question's purpose is for of any depictions of Christianity in fiction in which the Trinity figures in majorly, or for fictional religions modelled after Christianity in which an analogue to the Trinity exists.
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DAN004
07:35:01 PM 28th Jul 2015
MarqFJA
11:12:52 AM 29th Jul 2015
I'm not sure about that. The definition says that they "act as one character" and "always appear together and are never introduced individually." That doesn't seem to be a trait of the Christian Trinity, as far as I understand it; the three persons act more or less independently, even though apparently none of them can actually act in a way that conflicts with the other two's actions or aims.
Scorpion451
01:25:05 PM 29th Jul 2015
There are a lot of interpretations of the exact nature of the Trinity, and its one of the major things that divides several of the Christian denominations. Thus this subject is highly volatile Flame Bait, so be careful how you handle it. There are a couple things you can say about the trinity that are generally agreed upon, or at least civilly debated, however:

One is that trinity can be seen as a Freudian Trio. God the Father is Super Ego, the Holy Spirit is the Emotional/Spiritual/Action-Oriented "Id" component, and the Son is the metaphorical Ego, intermediating between the human and divine.

One important twist, however, is that the Holy Spirit is seen as the most gender-neutral aspect of god. The part often referred to as The Father is the creative aspect of God.note  It should be noted that the bible just often describes God in maternal or neuter terms. note 

The Dividual also applies, in that it is also generally agreed that the three aspects are a metaphor. Ultimately, we Christians describe one complex God in three parts because it is A Form We Humans Are Comfortable With, and the Rule of Three makes a Trinity appealing and useful for comprehension. One God, three ways of relating to God.

See Christianity for a more in-depth explanation on some of these topics.
DAN004
02:05:46 PM 29th Jul 2015
Mind Hive, maybe? Or God having a Split Personality of sorts?
Scorpion451
08:33:44 PM 29th Jul 2015
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That's what you call Gnosticism, and its one of the Flame Bait aspects of the subject.
MarqFJA
03:06:34 PM 30th Jul 2015
Christianity doesn't actually delve into the subject of the Trinity. Only passing mentions, without even bothering to give a general explanation of some sort. Maybe I should just consult the Religion and Mythology thread or the Christian Tropers thread.

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elecyan
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03:00:09 PM 30th Jul 2015
A cloud cuckoolander usually knows stuff in the most bizarre ways possible.

Bob: I found this idaho rock

Shane: *Licks rock* hmm this isn't a idaho rock. This is a michigan rock!

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bitemytail
02:04:37 PM 30th Jul 2015
eroock
03:00:09 PM 30th Jul 2015
^ This would imply, the character was kept around for his abilities which doesn't seem to be the case here.

Looks more like Idiot Savant.

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eroock
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12:12:43 PM 30th Jul 2015
What's the difference between Rescued from Purgatory and Orphean Rescue? If you find one, do you think it could be reconciled in one trope?
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bitemytail
05:19:37 PM 29th Jul 2015
Rescued from Purgatory requires the person to have died, whereas Orphean Rescue does not?

I'm not an authority, but I'd imagine combining them would be feasible. Rescued from Purgatory only has about a dozen examples anyway.
Scorpion451
08:26:45 PM 29th Jul 2015
I'm not seeing a difference.
DAN004
01:34:22 AM 30th Jul 2015
Merge please.
Bisected8
03:43:52 AM 30th Jul 2015
As far as I can tell, Orphean Rescue is recovering someone from any abnormal plane of existence.

Rescued from Purgatory appears to be specifically about pulling someone who recently died back to the land of the living.
Scorpion451
04:37:49 AM 30th Jul 2015
Still not seeing a functional difference. Anyone else think its worth making a ticket in the repair shop?
DAN004
05:49:35 AM 30th Jul 2015
^ *raises hand*
eroock
08:50:00 AM 30th Jul 2015
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SolipSchism
12:12:43 PM 30th Jul 2015
Actually, judging by the description, I think Orphean Rescue is explicitly about when the victim is not dead, as opposed to the earlier suggestions that it just doesn't require the victim to be dead.

That said, the tropes are otherwise identical and could easily be seen as two variants on the same trope. I'd vote for a merge.

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GrigorII
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12:08:15 PM 30th Jul 2015
There is a master with several pupils. One day the master will retire, and one of his pupils will take his place. The master has a favourite pupil, and wants him to be that one, so that things are still being done the way he did them. The favourite pupil knows this, looks up to his master, and accepts to go along with that plan.

Is Follow in My Footsteps the right trope? They are not family, and he fully embraces that destiny.
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Scorpion451
12:08:15 PM 30th Jul 2015

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elecyan
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01:31:18 AM 30th Jul 2015
A trope where a character threatens another character with a hug and that character overreacts because she hates physical contact. A weak or pathetic idea that another character is afraid of. The character won't die from love or the object, she/he hates it very much.
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bitemytail
05:21:19 PM 29th Jul 2015
Hates Being Touched?

Weaksauce Weakness (if literally vulnerable to hugging)
elecyan
08:41:04 PM 29th Jul 2015
no i'm looking for the threat. "I'm going to play with you," is a weak threat but to a certain character is dreadful.
Khantalas
01:10:16 AM 30th Jul 2015
DAN004
01:31:17 AM 30th Jul 2015
When Poke the Poodle is effective?

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DAN004
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11:45:53 PM 29th Jul 2015
Is this Iro Ny, Brick Joke, Call Back or something else?
  • BlazBlue: In the first game, in Bang's story, Rachel claims that Bang beating Ragna is about as likely as Bang erasing all the seithr in the world. Come the next game, not only can Bang hold his own against Ragna, he also ends up being the one erasing all the seithr in the world.
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Khantalas
10:48:40 AM 26th Jul 2015
It's more like Foreshadowing, I think.
eroock
11:37:01 AM 26th Jul 2015
FlamingoKai
11:45:53 PM 29th Jul 2015
Hilarious in Hindsight? Since it's Bang...

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WooftheWolfie
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11:40:49 PM 29th Jul 2015
What was that trope where there's an action girl who finds kicking butt easy but anything regarding social issues hard?
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Khantalas
01:41:02 PM 27th Jul 2015
Either Wake Up, Go to School, Save the World or Socially-Awkward Hero, depending on the age bracket.
FlamingoKai
11:40:49 PM 29th Jul 2015
Sacrificed Basic Skill for Awesome Training might also work if training is the cause of the badassery and the lack of social skills.
No Social Skills is the trope specifically for the second part.

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DAN004
Medium: Videogame
11:26:11 PM 29th Jul 2015
What would we call these kinds of gameplay mechanics?
  • BlazBlue
    • The "Negative Penalty" system punishes you for going on the defensive for too long by increasing the damage you take by 2x.
    • The "Active Flow" system introduced in the fourth game rewards you for keeping your offense by increasing your attack power and makes your Burst Gauge (required for either doing Combo Breaker or using Super Mode) recover faster.
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FlamingoKai
11:26:11 PM 29th Jul 2015
Video Game Rewards doesn't have anything to the effect of penalizing defense or rewarding offense. Perhaps this is quite unique to Arc System Works games so there's no trope about it (yet)?

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PinkCelebi
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11:14:19 PM 29th Jul 2015
A twist on All Just a Dream, where it technically did happen, but it was simply a lesson by someone, and local time lord/god turned time back to before it started, and removed the whole event from timeline, while the "victim" still remembers what happened and their lesson.
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eroock
03:54:33 AM 28th Jul 2015
FlamingoKai
11:14:19 PM 29th Jul 2015
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Ripple Effect-Proof Memory is for the part where the person remembers stuff even after it is rewinded.

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Snowybird77
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10:59:29 PM 29th Jul 2015
Is there a trope for subsections in an episode/issue like Donald Duck's joke pages or the Chrildrens Fun Fact Science Corner from Welcome to Night Vale? I'm working on a Hello Internet page and want a trope for "Plane Crash Corner"

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FlamingoKai
10:59:29 PM 29th Jul 2015

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KaiYves
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07:05:12 PM 29th Jul 2015
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Is there a Rule of Cool equivalent for educational series, where things that would otherwise be impossible are allowed because it helps communicate whatever is being learned? Like the goggles that allow the class to see sound in that one episode of The Magic School Bus, even though it's explained in that episode's "producer" segment that no such technology exists? Or like the Spaceship of the Imagination being able to travel faster than light in both Cosmos series because otherwise the host couldn't show us things outside of the solar system? Rule of Educational?
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randomsurfer
04:04:39 PM 29th Jul 2015
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Something listed on Acceptable Breaks from Reality perhaps?

DAN004
07:05:12 PM 29th Jul 2015
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Applied Phlebotinum in general

Aesop Tinum in particular (cuz it teaches you something)

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syrus372
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06:42:24 PM 29th Jul 2015
I know this is a trope. I'm just trying to find the trope page. What is it again where a character death is really dramatic and makes the hero(s) break down crying, swear vengeance, or both, then two episodes later, it seems like everyone has forgotten about this "friend"?
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eroock
06:41:24 PM 29th Jul 2015
randomsurfer
06:42:24 PM 29th Jul 2015
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Forgotten Fallen Friend

EDIT Ninja's by exactly one minute.

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elecyan
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04:02:51 PM 29th Jul 2015
This: Whenever magical character disappears she leaves petals.

First time: Rose petals

Second Time: Hibiscus Petals

Third Time: Gas petals

Bob: Okay now she is just being ridiculous

I know it's a Visual Pun but is there something else? I'm talking about the situation rather than the character.
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randomsurfer
04:02:51 PM 29th Jul 2015
The Triple, with Bob Lampshading?

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HeroGal2347
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11:18:57 AM 29th Jul 2015
Is OOC Is Serious Business capable of being used with alternate characters? For instance, suppose Alice ends up in an alternate universe. She encounters the alternate Charlie, who, just like her Charlie, is a cheerful person. But when Alt!Bob is mentioned, Alt!Charlie suddenly becomes very serious.
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DAN004
07:30:38 PM 28th Jul 2015
Maybe, but use "played with"
eroock
02:12:11 AM 29th Jul 2015
What does "played with" signify?
DAN004
03:11:46 AM 29th Jul 2015
Technically Charlie and Altcharlie are two different characters cuz of the alternate universe thing. How it is played is still the same with Alice getting shocked at Altcharlie's attitude, except for what I said earlier.
Scorpion451
11:18:57 AM 29th Jul 2015
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^^Played With is sort of a catch all way of saying "an extremely complex play"- say, over the course of a work a trope gets parodied, deconstructed, reconstructed, conversed, lampshaded, justified, played for laughs, played for drama, defied, zigzagged, exploited, and made into festive macrame.

For instance, Borderlands 2 is simultaneously a straight example, an Affectionate Parody, and a brutal deconstruction of the World of Badass trope. While its mostly played straight and For Laughs, there are numerous moments where the madcap zanyness runs smack into Reality Ensues and Played For Drama. Thats when you get Gut Punches like discovering what turns a Innocent Prodigy into a Cute and Psycho Mad Bomber note  and how living on a Death World in a Used Future would quickly result in the average person becoming Conditioned to Accept Horror.

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Daplune
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10:55:27 AM 29th Jul 2015
I'm looking for a trope in which the good guy character (never breaks laws, nice to everyone) is convinced to do something bad and revels in it. They're still a good person, but doing a bad thing gives them an adrenaline rush and they just get super psyched about doing bad things.

Like someone convinces them to steal a candy bar and they get so excited that they want to go tip a cow.
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Chabal2
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09:33:25 PM 28th Jul 2015
An Arrogant Kung-Fu Guy (or other hotheaded archetype) who's so attached to the idea that his master cannot be rivalled (or any other figure he idealizes like the mythical founder of his school) that any attempts to convince him he's equalled or even surpassed his master are treated the same as insulting his skill or talent.
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Scorpion451
09:33:25 PM 28th Jul 2015
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Well, its a type of Blind Obedience and a trait of some forms of Submissive Badass. Nothing more specific that I know of or can find. When something shatters that idealized image, its a Broken Pedestal. Maybe call it Put On A Pedestal, like the original saying?

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DAN004
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07:32:19 PM 28th Jul 2015
A school clique trope that I occasionally found: What do we call a girl who likes ordering a certain guy (often the protagonist) around, almost as if he's her servant of sorts?
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bitemytail
03:32:45 PM 27th Jul 2015
DAN004
06:59:35 PM 27th Jul 2015
^ Dunno, it looks like the scope is higher there; the important part of it being that alpha bitches have an effect of almost everyone in school.

The trope I'm trying to find doesn't necessarily care about the social status of the girl who orders around.
bitemytail
04:47:20 PM 28th Jul 2015
Tsundere maybe?
DAN004
07:32:19 PM 28th Jul 2015
^ They can be, but they can also be your run-of-the-mill jerks.

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Science_Ben
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07:19:01 PM 28th Jul 2015
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I've been looking for a trope or Sub-Trope to Fighting. In a gun fight when one character is highly skilled but played off to be clumsy or lucky, they often end up with what I've been calling a "Swiss Cheese Cloak." this is where after the fight or after a round of shooting, the character is shown to not be injured but there uniform or clothes are riddled with bullet holes.

Does a trope page for this exist? or am I being too specific with this one
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bitemytail
03:30:34 PM 27th Jul 2015
Clothing Damage, Wardrobe Wound & My Favorite Shirt could all qualify for this.
Science_Ben
04:41:07 PM 27th Jul 2015
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Thanks for finding those, but they're not quite what I'm thinking of. I'm thinking more like how Vash the Stampede in Trigun doesn't care that he gets holes in his attire. Its a trope thats used to show the person is highly skilled at not getting hit even against other highly skill shooters. Or sometimes the person themselve is puzzled as to how they're cloths got shredded but they didn't get hit
DAN004
06:51:08 PM 27th Jul 2015
Just use Clothing Damage.
FuzzyWulfe
07:29:17 PM 27th Jul 2015
Dodge the Bullet? Vash is listed on there as doing it.
eroock
07:32:00 PM 27th Jul 2015
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Science_Ben
07:19:01 PM 28th Jul 2015
Thanks for the help!

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KZN02
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06:51:56 PM 28th Jul 2015
Is there a trope about required eqiupment for characters before they can swim at all in video games?
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Khantalas
02:39:03 PM 28th Jul 2015
Sounds like a (not new page worthy) subtrope of You Have Researched Breathing.
KZN02
03:45:25 PM 28th Jul 2015
I was thinking along the lines of Wario Land 3 where Wario needs to obtain flippers to swim underwater, but looks like that's under the trope you mentioned.
Scorpion451
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Thistlewhiskers
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04:56:19 PM 28th Jul 2015
Where a character injures or disables his attacker at the cost of being in just as much pain or disability himself.

A good example being Harry Potter attacking Lord Voldemort by touching him physically, being in just as much agony because of the contact, but being mad enough to put up with it.

Should be an easy one, I know it's a trope here!
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DAN004
01:14:55 AM 28th Jul 2015
Khantalas
01:19:01 AM 28th Jul 2015
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No, Broke Your Arm Punching Out Cthulhu is specifically when you temporarily defeat an Eldritch Abomination-like enemy at great cost, especially if it turns out you were Fighting a Shadow. Extending it to other types of conflicts would open it to misuse.

If we don't have another specific subtrope, Pyrrhic Victory covers it.
Chabal2
02:19:32 AM 28th Jul 2015
Scorpion451
09:43:16 AM 28th Jul 2015
^^ It applies to defeating any overwhelmingly powerful foe at great cost, including things like Physical Gods, extreme Reality Warpers, Kaiju, and very hard to kill Big Bads. The eldritch abomination/fighting a shadow combo is just one common and clear-cut form.

On a small scale, Self-Destructive Charge, Deliberate Injury Gambit, and Mutual Kill

Often a component of the Dying Moment of Awesome tropes.

Khantalas
11:10:31 AM 28th Jul 2015
Hence the "like" qualifier. It still doesn't work in a mundane scale.
Scorpion451
03:52:02 PM 28th Jul 2015
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Depends on the ratio of the Sliding Scale of Villain Threat to Super Weight of the hero.To a bee, a bear would be a Cthulhu level threat capable of destroying a hive because they have a sweet tooth that day, and sacrificing most of the hive's members to drive it off for a few days would count as the trope. On the other end of the spectrum, there are mundane threats that can take out a planet, and for the right hero taking down an Eldritch Abomination is Tuesday.
jormis29
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elecyan
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04:43:45 PM 28th Jul 2015
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What is called when a person is immune to the effects of cthulu or sanity-creature because person is cloud cuckoolander or is just The ditz
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Micah
10:27:49 AM 28th Jul 2015
bitemytail
04:43:45 PM 28th Jul 2015
Insanity Immunity if it is caused by insanity.

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zoop
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03:48:15 PM 28th Jul 2015
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Is an in-universe Voodoo Shark explanation a separate trope from Voodoo Shark, or the same trope? The Voodoo Shark page itself contains one example... but that doesn't necesarily mean it's the same trope, it just may be the result of one confused troper.

The example I want to list is: There's a character who doesn't believe in magic, but when he confronts something where the only explanation is magic, he comes up with his own explanation, which really is far more unlikely than actual magic would be.
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Khantalas
10:42:49 AM 24th Jul 2015
SolipSchism
10:48:36 AM 24th Jul 2015
^^ It sounds like that would be a Lampshaded Voodoo Shark, if someone comments on the fact that it's more unlikely than magic, not an In-Universe Voodoo Shark.

If no one acknowledges it, then it's just a run-of-the-mill Voodoo Shark.
Scorpion451
11:55:29 AM 24th Jul 2015
Can also be a symptom of an Agent Scully, Flat Earth Atheist and/or Straw Vulcan making one last effort to halt their Sanity Slippage before Giving Up On Logic.
zoop
12:01:35 PM 24th Jul 2015
Aha. Agent Scully is what I was looking for. Thanks!
Scorpion451
06:26:39 AM 27th Jul 2015
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Just found this one: Scully Syndrome

Its in dire need of more crosslinks, but its word for word exactly what you're describing.
DAN004
07:11:32 AM 27th Jul 2015
what's the difference of Agent Scully and Scully Syndrome anyway?
Scorpion451
07:49:49 AM 27th Jul 2015
Agent Scully does not believe in magic/aliens/psychics/etc. They will go to great lengths to disprove evidence to the contrary.

Scully Syndrome, which they are prone to, is when someone comes up with a convoluted theory requiring elaborate and improbable hoaxes, coincidences, and a few Noodle Implements to explain away something that contradicts their preexisting beliefs. As I mentioned before, its usually a sign they're trying desperately to avoid Giving Up On Logic ala Break the Scientist.

Scully Syndrome is not exclusive to the Agent Scully, however: For instance, a character in a fantasy world might refuse to believe that the Evil Overlord has risen from the dead and reassembled The Horde. They instead offer an explanation involving a conspiracy of wizards using elaborate illusion spells and a handful of orc mercenaries to fake monster attacks and floating evil fortress sightings. This is despite the fact that convincing illusion spells are really hard to pull off and they are currently standing in the smoking remnants of a well-defended fort-town.
zoop
09:44:59 PM 27th Jul 2015
Scully Syndrome sounds like it could be applied to non-supernatural things as well. For example, Bob lies to Alice about his whereabouts. Alice refuses to believe that Bob is up to something bad and instead convinces herself (and tries to convince others) that Bob is actually planning a surprise party for her. When her birthday comes and goes with no party, she begins to insist that Bob has gotten a job as a secret agent. That sort of thing.
jormis29
11:14:09 PM 27th Jul 2015
Scorpion451
03:48:15 PM 28th Jul 2015
This^ = That^^, but both can apply if Alice is normally quite rational, but is trying to find an explanation that does not, say, involve Bob cheating on her.

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Rorrick
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03:01:30 PM 28th Jul 2015
I don't think this counts as Noodle Incident, but is there a trope for when important plot events are referenced, or required to understand what's currently happening/being discussed, but the audience is unaware of said events?

In a YMMV sort of example, I started wondering about this because of the chance that the audience might miss or skip over part of a Long-Runner, or one with a Kudzu Plot and a lot of different formats, like the Ring of Fire/1632 series or Kingdom Hearts (with short stories/side novels/canon fan fiction, and multiple games across multiple platforms respectively) and wind up not understanding the complex political and sociological changes or character developments from one part of the storyline to the next.

In a more straightforward sense, I guess this would just be a trope of really bad writing/editing, where an author references important events, while never actually having incorporated them into the main plot, or even having made reference to them.

In-universe would be amnesia I suppose, or perhaps time traveling into the past without a good knowledge of history.
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Khantalas
11:53:26 AM 28th Jul 2015
Based on my limited understanding of what you wrote, it looks like Continuity Lockout? But it's when part installments are referenced without clarification, which may not be what you're looking for.
Rorrick
12:49:11 PM 28th Jul 2015
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Sorry, my post was definitely a bit of a ramble; I think what I'm looking for could be more succinctly described as "Remember the New Guy, but with plot points being the New Guy."
JoieDeCombat
03:01:30 PM 28th Jul 2015
Retcon (short for retroactive continuity) covers new plot points being introduced as something that happened previously in continuity, but weren't actually shown happening in any previous installments of the franchise.

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PhysicalStamina
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11:35:35 AM 28th Jul 2015
I asked this earlier, but forgot about it and now I can't find it, but is there a trope for a character who has the power to greatly alter reality and doesn't know it? Like Mike Nelson, Destroyer of Worlds on a smaller scale.
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DAN004
09:39:28 AM 27th Jul 2015
PhysicalStamina
04:59:33 PM 27th Jul 2015
Mmm, that's not quite what I'm looking for. I'm talking about someone with the powers similar to a Reality Warper, but doesn't know she has said powers.
DAN004
06:49:50 PM 27th Jul 2015
DNKHOS can be applied to any kind of powers.
PhysicalStamina
11:17:05 AM 28th Jul 2015
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I see. Thanks, then. Can it also apply if they are completely unaware that they have any sort of powers to begin with?
DAN004
11:35:35 AM 28th Jul 2015
Yes.

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elecyan
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11:14:32 AM 28th Jul 2015
A greater scope villain who is seen(as a shadow) in the first season for one episode directing the big bad for a few minutes and then appears in the last five episodes of the sixth season as the final villain. The viewers either dismisses or completely forgot about that person and doesn't realize that that character was the biggest bad of them all.
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Khantalas
11:14:32 AM 28th Jul 2015
This feels like a case of The Man Behind the Man being a Big Bad, and who you assumed to be the Big Bad is only The Dragon, at best.

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DAN004
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08:55:46 AM 28th Jul 2015
What... is this?
  • BlazBlue: Hakumen instinctively hates Ragna and any Murakumo Units because his Power of Order is opposed to the latter two's ability to perform "phenomenon interventions", i.e disrupting the world's order.

The focus is in the "hatred" part; specifically, it being caused by something supernatural.
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Scorpion451
12:57:13 PM 26th Jul 2015
Order Versus Chaos

Also Teeth-Clenched Teamwork if they're (theoretically) on the same side.
DAN004
08:55:46 AM 28th Jul 2015
Bump for more satisfying answers

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Lyner
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07:54:57 AM 28th Jul 2015
What's it called when the central conflict of a series ends in the second-to-last episode, and the last episode is nothing but a combination of "where are they now" and filler? I've actually seen a lot of this in anime lately, sometimes focusing on last goodbyes and other typical conclusive material, but I've also seen a lot that dedicates the last episode to completely worthless filler good for nothing but a few laughs.
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Freezer
06:12:07 PM 26th Jul 2015
Lyner
05:29:52 AM 27th Jul 2015
Does that even go for the second group that, as I said, seems to be happening a ton? The ones where what you get has nothing to do with anything, just a bunch of silly crap that didn't fit into the main storyline.
DAN004
07:32:41 AM 27th Jul 2015
^ my "complaining" sense is tingling.
Scorpion451
08:06:18 AM 27th Jul 2015
Yep. Tropes Are Tools. "Used well" and "Used badly" are a completely separate matter.
Freezer
05:26:18 PM 27th Jul 2015
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The second part really depends on the setting: Graduation for Everyone? "What Now?" Ending? The Adventure Continues?
Lyner
07:54:57 AM 28th Jul 2015
It's not a complaint. It's not good or bad, just a little odd and funny thing that I noticed is done a lot. I'm sure some dislike it, but to me it's just a little weird. I rather enjoy those last episodes even though they're stuff like the last episode of Kore wa Zombie desu ka?, just a little bit of funny after the big climax. I didn't call it worthless crap to mean it's bad, just an assessment of its contribution to the story.

I'd say the best I've seen so far would be a comedy version of The Adventure Continues. There's no new villain or implication of a new major plot developing, but some of the stories this happens in go most of the way with little to none of that anyway, so it could be interpreted as showing that they're going back to the craziness that dominated their story before that stupid villain interrupted things.

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jayoungr
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07:17:07 AM 28th Jul 2015
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I've been looking for this one for a while, and I'm not sure if I'm just missing it. Do we have a trope that combines Mood-Swinger, Fragile Flower, and Hair-Trigger Temper? This would be for the person (usually female) who has to be treated with kid gloves because she'll make a very unpleasant scene if she is upset in any way.
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Scorpion451
08:49:11 AM 13th Jul 2015
Tsundere. Very very common in Anime and manga, but found elsewhere as well.
jayoungr
08:58:51 AM 13th Jul 2015
This isn't necessarily a romantic trope, though—it could just as easily be an oversensitive mother or boss. And she doesn't always have a real "deredere" side, possibly just a "calm and not flying off the handle" side.
Scorpion451
09:09:48 AM 13th Jul 2015
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Tsundere doesn't have to be romantic. They just have to have a nice side, and a side that screams at people and uses words like "idiot" a lot.

You might also look at Cute and Psycho, Beware the Nice Ones, and Beware the Quiet Ones, for ones that bounce between The Woobie or The Cutie and "RUN THEY"VE GOT AN AX!!!"
jayoungr
09:14:57 AM 13th Jul 2015
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What if the personality alternative to "throwing a fit" is just "bearable," rather than "nice," though? I.e., the default state might be grouchy, sullen, or otherwise mildly unpleasant. It seems to me that a Tsundere has to have a really attractive side.
DAN004
01:30:41 PM 13th Jul 2015
jayoungr
02:16:47 PM 13th Jul 2015
Not seeing how Jerk with a Heart of Gold fits—can you clarify?
Scorpion451
02:58:50 PM 13th Jul 2015
I see where he's going with that one- a Tsun side is generally very jerkish. If the "treated with kid gloves" part means that everything sets the character off, but every now and then if you're really careful you get to see the shy, sensitive person under the jerk-studded armor plating, it'd make them a Jerk with a Heart of Gold.
jayoungr
07:17:07 AM 28th Jul 2015
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I went with Hysterical Woman, which is the best match so far for what I was looking for.

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FuzzyWulfe
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04:21:19 AM 28th Jul 2015
In reviews for Pixels, it's constantly brought up that the movie is sexist because Lady Lisa, a hot female avatar with no lines, is a "trophy," which are awarded to the winning side for each battle stage. The problem is that she isn't a trophy, and the other five actual trophies are either male or non-gender. What would the trope be for basically ignoring all other contradictory instances to focus on one arguable sexist one?
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bitemytail
03:29:11 PM 27th Jul 2015
Confirmation Bias is probably the closest we've got.

Make sure you aren't going to start a flame war with whatever you're about to do.
FuzzyWulfe
06:28:52 PM 27th Jul 2015
A fair warning, I admit; though it rarely takes much for one to start regardless of how noble your intentions or careful your words. I'd originally had it as a second level comment on the YMMV page for an Unfortunate Implications entry about the negative portrayal of women in the movie. My major thrust was the implication that the men that actually are trophies in the movie are treated as expendable for the purpose of creating a controversy to essentially increase page views. But that requires sources, and I don't have time to find what few articles there could be that admit to the logic fault. This way, I ensure I use the most apt trope.
Scorpion451
08:47:28 PM 27th Jul 2015
Sounds like one needs to read the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement. Controversy is not the sort of attention the wiki seeks.
Freezer
04:21:19 AM 28th Jul 2015
The whole thing sounds like Fan Dumb or Hate Dumb, which is are No Examples tropes.

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Rikun
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11:46:24 PM 27th Jul 2015
Don't know if this is a trope or not, but there's an expectation that when celebrities get married they're likely to get divorced rather quickly. In fact, the idea that two famous people can stay married for more than five years is treated as unheard of! Ways to parody this would be people taking bets on how long the marriage actually lasts or inviting the divorce lawyers to the wedding just in case. More subtly, you can have a happily married celebrity couple surrounded by reporters that are shocked they're still together.
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Khantalas
11:46:24 PM 27th Jul 2015
There is nothing specifically for celebrities having short marriages, and since it doesn't have a narrative purpose outside of one-off jokes, I don't think we need a page for it.

However, unexpectedly short or serial marriages are covered by Starter Marriage and Serial Spouse.

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Atreides
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11:45:17 PM 27th Jul 2015
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Pack Mule? A video game trope where an important (or possibly main) function of a follower is to carry around your loot and belongings. Related to Critical Encumbrance Failure but I can't find anything on it.

It's sometimes lampshaded, such as Lydia from Skyrim's grudgingly voiced "I am sworn to carry your burdens" and, from another follower "I'm a mage, not a pack mule you know".
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jormis29
11:27:33 PM 27th Jul 2015
Atreides
11:45:17 PM 27th Jul 2015
Ah thanks....duh. I think I initially searched for Pack Horse, which is why I didn't find it. Thanks again.

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eowynjedi
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09:07:47 PM 27th Jul 2015
Is there a trope for a lost letter being the cause of some hardship? E.g. Romeo not getting the letter from Juliet leading to his suicide.
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DAN004
09:34:23 AM 24th Jul 2015
eowynjedi
09:07:47 PM 27th Jul 2015
I need to stop forgetting I post these queries.

But no, this is where an earnest effort has been made to communicate and it's an external screw-up... though I found Impeded Messenger on that trope page, which seems to fit!

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DAN004
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08:52:52 PM 27th Jul 2015
What's the difference of Clothing Damage and Wardrobe Wound?
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Scorpion451
08:52:52 PM 27th Jul 2015
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Clothing Damage: Mr. Fanservice just happens to get his shirt ripped off in every single fight.

Wardrobe Wound: When clothing damage is used as a Berserk Button rather than Fanservice. The two can overlap, however.

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DAN004
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07:02:22 PM 27th Jul 2015
What do we call a girl who is uncomfortable around other girls?
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jormis29
05:06:25 PM 27th Jul 2015
DAN004
07:02:22 PM 27th Jul 2015
Female Misogynist works for me.

Btw do we have a "Male Misandrist"?

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notShemp
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01:10:22 PM 27th Jul 2015
Is there a trope where a dumb character thinks that this other dumb character is even dumber than him?
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Scorpion451
01:23:10 PM 25th Jul 2015
DAN004
05:23:45 PM 25th Jul 2015
I believe there's a ykttw like this.
notShemp
07:38:58 AM 26th Jul 2015
Do you know the name of the ykttw?
DAN004
08:45:35 AM 26th Jul 2015
I forgot; I've been straying off of it for awhile.
notShemp
02:42:07 PM 26th Jul 2015
The trope I'm looking for can best be described as "I may be dumb but I'm not that dumb".
jormis29
04:32:50 PM 26th Jul 2015
DAN004
11:02:39 PM 26th Jul 2015
I wanna call it "Evem Dumbasses Have Standards".
notShemp
01:10:22 PM 27th Jul 2015
Since I can't find a trope for this I think I'll make one at YKTTW using that name.

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MarqFJA
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12:40:28 PM 27th Jul 2015
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What's the trope for when a crossover fanfic has a character from one work be the reincarnation of (or otherwise became) another character from a second, completely unrelated work?

Example: Ranma Saotome and Usagi Tsukino in ocramed's many, many, many crossover fics. At one point, they became the characters Kushina Uzumaki and Minato Namikaze from Naruto, respectively. Also, Akane Tendo turns out to be the reincarnation of Eowyn, and one of her future reincarnations is Amanda Rogers.
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DAN004
07:10:10 AM 27th Jul 2015
Composite Character, downplayed
MarqFJA
12:40:28 PM 27th Jul 2015
That indeed seems applicable. There's even a line about crossover-based cases; is the External Retcon pothole there appropiate to this case?

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DAN004
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09:50:12 AM 27th Jul 2015
How would Yan Dere and And Call Him George relate to each other?
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Khantalas
09:50:12 AM 27th Jul 2015
Not much.i don't think they do. Yandere is when a character is actively, knowingly violent as a direct outgrowth of her obsessive affection for another character, often against other characters as well. And Call Him George is simply when a character doesn't know how to show proper physical affection or his own strength, and causes harm without deliberation as a result.

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elecyan
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08:14:49 AM 27th Jul 2015
A trope where the character talks to a character about something private or important, like magic, in public where people are around and can openly hear, but the people don't react or usually just there because they are background character.

An annoying trope if you ask me.
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jormis29
10:50:57 PM 26th Jul 2015
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FlamingoKai
01:28:24 AM 27th Jul 2015
...combined with Apathetic Citizens?
Scorpion451
07:18:31 AM 27th Jul 2015
And usually relying on the power of the Weirdness Censor
randomsurfer
08:14:49 AM 27th Jul 2015
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Rikun
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07:34:20 AM 27th Jul 2015
Would it really be considered I Knew It if a theory was saturated to the point that it had to be statistically true? An example would be:

Alice: HA! I Knew It! Dumbledore is gay! I totally called it!!

Beth: You think EVERYONE at Hogwarts is gay. You were bound to be right at some point.
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Scorpion451
07:16:57 AM 27th Jul 2015
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Yep, still I Knew It, and also an Epileptic Tree.

In-Universe its often also Right for the Wrong Reasons, The Cuckoolander Was Right, and/or Dumbass Has a Point.
DAN004
07:34:20 AM 27th Jul 2015
^ ...'cept that the "dumbass" intentionally covers that "point" by aiming at everything.

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Vios
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02:43:36 AM 27th Jul 2015
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When someone would rather be killed than be captured. Is there a supertrope to Cyanide Pill, without the need for the pill or equivalent? It can be done just by refusing to surrender even if continuing to fight will be fatal ("You'll never take me alive!"), or by refusing to be rescued from something, or by provoking a capturer into killing.

I've already looked through the Choosing Death index. It's not Better to Die Than Be Killed - that's about someone who's facing a death on someone else's terms instead choosing one on their own, not someone who isn't threatened with any kind of death if they'd just surrender. It's not Death Is the Only Option, because that's about winning via death, not about picking which kind of defeat you get. It's not Death Seeker, because there's no death wish, just a don't-get-captured wish. It's not I Die Free, because that's about slavery, which may not be the reason for avoiding capture. Not Fate Worse Than Death, because one of those isn't necessarily involved (it might be a matter of pride/stubbornness, for example, but mere humiliation doesn't really fit the Fate Worse Than Death trope).
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DAN004
07:23:50 PM 22nd Jul 2015
I'm thinking of Thanatos Gambit (if dying is meant as a method to screw the enemy's plan)
FlamingoKai
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elecyan
Medium: Anime
10:46:38 PM 26th Jul 2015
a trope where a monster cannot die without a particular character who wields the power to destroy the monster
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Scorpion451
07:02:10 PM 26th Jul 2015
DAN004
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