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open Possibly Agenda-Based Entry Pimping
Tropers.bobby4ize has been entry-pimping quotes by infamous Black Conserative/Libertarian Thomas Sowell, conservative talk-show host Sean Hannity, conservative radio host Neal Boortz and many, MANY others.. Based on their edit history, the pimping has been going on for weeks and they've already got dozens of examples.
The thing is, some of their entries don't seem that bad — such as this one for Tall Poppy Syndrome. It illustrates the trope well enough. Also, there's this example on Society Marches On which breaks away from his other entries by being somewhat progressive.
But then we have entries like these:
Taken from the quotes page for Fox News Liberal.
Taken from the quotes page for DidntThinkThisThrough.
Taken from Playing The Victim Card
Taken from the quotes page for Political Correctness Gone Mad
You get the idea by now.
Also, there are several other quotes which have been added to main pages, such as the one on UsefulNotes.Capitalism which demonstrate a subtle bias (especially when you remember the source is a hard-nose free market libertarian).
Like I said, they have been at this for a long, long time, and I doubt that their edit history actually goes back far enough to catch them all.
Edited by NubianSatyressopenNichole Bloom
I'm thinking of creating a page for Superstore's Nichole Bloom, who is now going by Nichole Sakura. Should I make it for Nichole Sakura and redirect from Nichole Bloom or should I create the page for Nichole Bloom and redirect from Nichole Sakura instead?
She's been credited as Nichole Sakura since last year but is more well known by Bloom.
open Are we allowed to put our own fanfics in the Fanfic Recs section?
For some pages, there’s very little in the Fanfic Recs section. I’ve written and posted a few stories for such topics that I think are good enough to be on a Fanfic Recs page and I was wondering if that is allowed.
Edited by TheLuckOfTheClawsopenHow can I add videos
I want to add more videos for Caillou, but I don't know how. I can't find a insert video button. Do I need to be a member for afew weeks or more to get videos?
openEdit war on Trivia/DuckTales2017
Isaac_Heller originally added a Creator Backlash entry on DuckTales (2017) talking about how Tony Anselmo allegedly does not like DuckTales (2017).
SpongeGuy11 removed the entry with the reason "Issue was fixed so problem gone and he never based the artstyle."
Isaac_Heller re-added the entry with the reason "Copied from the main Creator Backlash page. The problem being fixed doesn't change that it colored Anselmo's view on the show, as even in the linked video he says he'd rather not talk about the show, and him having spoken out about the problem when it was happening still qualifies for this trope."
And finally, Sponge Guy 11 edited the entry so that it reads "downplayed," which I'm pretty sure is not appropriate for things under Trivia.
I should also point out that some tropers are skeptical that the entry is even correct in the first place and feel that the evidence provided is flimsy, but the main issue I want to bring up is the edit-warring.
Edited by dragonfire5000openTroping for one's own fanfics
I have a question, would I be allowed to trope for fanfics that I personally write? Just to be clear, I don't want to make actual tropes pages for my fanfics. I mean would I be allowed to go to the main tropes pages for certain tropes (like Adaptational X tropes for example) and add examples from my fanfics to that page assuming they fit?
openKind of a weird user, not sure what notifier to send
tdarcos's edits are... not great, but for a fairly diverse amount of reasons that I don't know exactly how to message him on it.
- Rough, meandering inverted example that he doesn't remember what it's from.
- Elaborating on a title that honestly I'm not sure if it's what we should use. But probably fine.
- Unilaterally adding a folder that is genuinely useful, but with some odd choices and many typos.
- Not really necessary alternate definition and one that's not really entirely true. He does this to several tropes, changing the first paragraph so it talks about what the trope isn't which doesn't seem helpful.
- Misuse, that's a TakeThat, not a ShoutOut.
- Does that even qualify as a joke? But overall one of his stronger entries.
- Improper quote syntax and incredibly meandering wall of text to say "character says 'I don't know' twice."
- Weird natter in the trope description
- I guess this is fine? Just kind of weird?
- I'd say this is redundant since it's just restating a part already in the description, except he's put it as the opening to the trope description.
- Another really unnecessary "I thought it meant" example at the beginning of a trope's description.
- Unnecessary fluff to the trope's description.
- This is probably fine.
- Italicizing certain characters' names... I have no idea if this is correct or not but it's odd.
- Typos.
And that's literally every page he's edited in March. And I found something wrong, or at least weird, with his edits on almost every single one of them.
Edited by LarkmarnopenWeb Animation or Western Animation? Western Animation
So, I'm creating a works page for a (relatively-unknown) PBS Kids cartoon called Fizzy's Lunch Lab. Thing is, it's an official PBS Kids cartoon... that's also web-exclusive. So, would it go under Western Animation or Web Animation? I feel like it would probably go under Web Animation, but I just want to check before making the work page.
openThe Snyder Cut has a UN page because...? Film
UsefulNotes.Zack Snyders Justice League is a UN page dedicated entirely to the history and develop of the film. It seems like misuse of the namespace to have a page entirely about the making of one work, prominent as it may be.
I also brought this up in the UN cleanup but I figured I’d ask here too since the work came out last week.
openHollywood Pudgy?
So on Lindsay Ellis' YMMV page, there's this entry for Hollywood Pudgy:
- On Twitter she's spoken about how frequently she's been attacked over her weight, or not being as thin as she was in her Nostalgia Chick days. She's at a perfectly healthy and normal size for a woman in her mid-30s, and attributes some weight gain to the above-mentioned online smear campaign.
Am I right in thinking this is misuse of Hollywood Pudgy? Lindsay is not a character, she's a real person who largely does video essays on her channel. I thought Hollywood Pudgy only occurs when "work depicts a character as fat despite having an average or even healthy body weight," not "cyberbullies insult content creator for her weight"
openCutlist reason
A few minutes ago I added Smash Japan to the cutlist with this reason:
Of the six examples, two are Trivia, one is YMMV, and one is a ZCE. The page hasn't been updated at all since 2016, and the link to the blog doesn't work.
Upon looking at the page again after I added it, I realized that the reason contains a mistake. Two tropes are actually YMMV, and one is Trivia, not the other way round. Is there a way to edit cutlist reasons?
Edited by Shadow8411openUnapproved changes to a work's description
So the work page for Smug Snake was changed to have any reference to Magnificent Bastard removed on the trope description and changed to Evil Is Cool. (albeit mispelled Evil Is Cool).
This seems weird as Smug Snake was written with Magnificent Bastard in mind (i.e. its for a chessmaster whose arrogance causes their downfall) and I'm not sure such a major change to a description was approved. It also makes it read weirdly in places.
It was done by the troper Giantleviathan
Edited by miraculousopenChanging date format?
Troper Jumbo J 99 just went into the entry for Richard Wagner and changed the composer's birth and death dates from 22 May 1813 — 13 February 1883 to May 22, 1813 - February 13, 1883. This seems really fussy and pedantic unless there's only one accepted format for this kind of thing.
Advice requested. Thanks!
Edited by BoltDMCopenTroper with Fan Work page
Redthatcat made a Fan Works page: Redthatcat. I'd like to bring attention to this so they can transfer their lists there to a sandbox, to avoid index issues
openShould I make a pinball cleanup thread?
The wiki's pinball pages are kind of a mess as of present. They suffer from all manner of problems - ZCEs, trope-slashing, shoehorning, general examples on trope pages - and while I've been slowly trying to fix them up in my spare time, I think a cleanup thread might help bring wider attention to the issue.
I'm admittedly a little hesitant to do so, since I've never made such a thread before and I don't want to risk making serious mistakes out of ignorance, so I wanted to ask two questions before I did anything:
1. Would the subject matter be too narrow for people to participate? Pinball is certainly a niche fandom, and there aren't too many tropers who are dedicated fans of the genre, but I'm not entirely sure if this would be an impassible entry to helping fix the problems I outlined. On one hand, it would help deter Walkthrough Mode (since people who are not intimately familiar with pinball jargon should be able to understand an example). On the other hand, it might pose an issue for adding context to examples.
2. If I did make one, would it fit better in Short-Term or Long-Term Projects? I figured it would belong in the former, since there's a concrete end goal (fixing up all the pages in the namespace, any problematic examples on trope pages, and other miscellaneous issues related to the wiki's coverage of pinball), but I would like to make sure I have the right idea.
Edited by BlueGuyopenSingle-Issue Wonk about a preschool show. Western Animation
I was doing some cleanup on YMMV.Caillou, when I noticed there were six entries related to a moment in the show, all added by Noob Master last year.
- Designated Hero:
- Caillou's parents. They frequently don't discipline their bratty son and let him have his way all the time, and one episode even had Caillou's mom leave him alone with a man they didn't know too well, and is depicted as being right despite that being an extremely irresponsible thing to do.
- Fridge Horror: The fact that Caillou's mother is totally willing to abandon him to a total stranger. If that's the case, Caillou would likely be in serious danger.
- Informed Wrongness: Caillou is supposed to be seen as irrational for fearing Mr. Hinkle since he's a stranger to him, but considering how his mother doesn't know the man either and leaves him alone with said man to help him get rid of his fears, his fear is more than justified and his mother comes off as irresponsible as a result.
- Never Live It Down: People will also never let go of the fact that his mother has no qualms against leaving him alone with a total stranger. Granted, the stranger turned out to be harmless, but it's still highly irresponsible to do something like that and how the show treats this as in the right.
- Strawman Has a Point: Caillou is supposed to be seen as irrational for fearing Mr. Hinkle, but since he was a man he didn’t know and his mother didn’t know the man either, Caillou’s fear comes off as totally justified. Not helping that his mother willingly left him alone with him.
- What An Idiot: When Caillou is understandably afraid of Mr. Hinkle because he doesn't know the guy, his mother abandons him to said guy to help him get rid of his fears. While the guy did turn out to be harmless, the fact that she is even willing to do such a thing makes her such an irresponsible idiot altogether. One would wonder if the man truly wasn't harmless...
I kind of get where they’re coming from, but complaining about it in six entries is a bit much... What should I do with all these entries?
openTLP Guidelines
I have a draft for a new trope I'm looking to submit to the Trope Launch Pad, but one thing I don't understand: how and where am I supposed to submit the 24-hour notice per TLP Guidelines before submitting the draft? The guidelines in question don't mention that.
openIs there a way to fix these recap numbers?
In Welcome to Night Vale, there are two parts to episode 19, A and B. This is how the show refers to them. However, Part B does not show up in the Recap Index because it is not on its own individual line as that would mess up the numbering. Is there a way to fix that?
Like as soon as a woman sees her husband so much as being friends with a second woman, she assumes he's cheating on her.