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openPicking one set of pronouns for Elliot Page
Hi! As you might know, the famous actor Elliot Page who played Juno, Kitty Pryde and Vanya Hargreaves is now openly transgender, and would like people to use "he" pronouns or "they" pronouns when talking about him. So I'm wondering how we're gonna go about doing that.
Obviously, we're gonna use the pronouns Page has asked for. I'm just thinking maybe we should stick to one set. I'm not saying we have to, I just think well, there's no reason not to.
It's the accepted standard. Every article I've ever read about a person with multiple pronouns has stuck to calling that person by one set.
It's less confusing. Sentences like "He'd lost his watch, but when they went back to search for it they couldn't see where he'd lost it" seem like they're about multiple people, even though I'm only talking about one individual while using both of that individual's pronouns. (It's less confusing when you don't switch constantly, and only use different pronouns in different examples, but it's still always clearer to stick to one set.)
Finally, I can't see any good reason not to pick one set.
If there is any weighty reason that we need make sure to use both, I'm obviously willing to listen. But in my experience, websites in general stick to using one set—which one they use varies from site to site—and that seems like the natural way to go here.
I suggest we stick to "he," since it's the pronoun set that comes first alphabetically, and that's a value-neutral way to make the choice.
(Oh, and I realize that some people might ask "If Page asked for "he" and "they" pronouns, then shouldn't we use both? But he didn't ask specifically for both to be used at the same time.)
Edited by MichaelKatsuroopenOne name, different media Literature
Hello
First time I post here, hope I'm doing it right. I was looking at the The Others entry, and about every media there refers to a completely different opus. But when it comes to trivia or YMMV for example, there's no way to know which opus it refers to. What can be done?
Thx
openEdit war on Animaniacs Character page Western Animation
Kag Swirby removed a line on Animaniacs The Warner Siblings from Yakko's Ambiguously Bi example regarding him and Dot on a double date with a male and female bat, with this edit reason:
- Seating is just seating. That does not indicate anything
It was added back, only for Kag Swirby to remove it again, leaving this edit reason:
- Stop adding this, it doesn't mean or imply anything
edit history for the page in question
Edited by fraggleloveropenI accidentally made a thread in the wrong place
I made a thread titled How would a character you know respond to the phrase "You Monster!"? on Forum Games even though I was supposed to post it on Yack Fest. Is there a way to fix this?
Edited by IukaSylvieresolved Blank pages
Undertale.Tropes Ato G, Undertale.Tropes Hto P, and Undertale.Tropes Qto Z all only had Please Delete on their pages before being reverted. The game already has Undertale.Tropes A, Undertale.Tropes B To F. Undertale.Tropes G To N, and Undertale.Tropes O To Z.
Edited by costanton11openTroper changed entries from American to Commonwealth English
Troper bluesno1fann made a number of edits to the Creator Page for The Beatles. They're fine except for what looks like a systematic changing of American English words to Commonwealth English. Perhaps this is okay given that the group was British, but wanted to get some feedback on this. Have not contacted the troper via DM yet.
openMarking images as spoilers Film
How do you do it? Specifically, I'm trying to do it for John Doe.
Edited by StellarvoreopenDo we write that Elliot Page is non-binary?
As I mentioned in a previous post, Elliot Page has come out as transgender, and his pronouns are he/him and they/them. However, many call him non-binary even though he himself never used that term about himself (to the best of my knowledge.
I removed the term non-binary from his page, but it was added back with the explanation that "GLAAD has stated that they are non-binary, so I’ll take their word on it."
However, in the public statement by Elliot Page that GLAAD use as their source, Page never once uses the term non-binary.
Thoughts?
Edited by MichaelKatsuroopenJack Skellington Nightmare Fuel icon file
That old icon of Jack Skellington we used to have for the Nightmare Fuel tabs... do we still have that image file? I was just wondering if I could use it as a Discord emoji.
Edited by DrNoPumaopenChecking for Trope misuse and differences
Do we have a dedicated thread for checking whether an example is a misuse of a trope as well finding the differences between trope definitions. I found several while working on the TRS Wick Cleaning.
openAnti-Frustration Features VS Author's Saving Throw. What goes where?
So lately, the VideoGame.Sponge Bob Square Pants Battle For Bikini Bottom and YMMV.Sponge Bob Square Pants Battle For Bikini Bottom pages (specifically in the Rehydrated segments) have presented a bit of a headache here. The examples under Anti-Frustration Features and Author's Saving Throw overlap a lot, as they all boil down to one common theme of "developers fixed the issues of the original game to make them less frustrating to players". Because of this, I'm not sure which of these examples goes where in terms of their appropriate tropes, and which ones are specifically Audience Reactions.
Here's a list of the examples in folders to save you the time of scrolling through them on the pages themselves.
- Anti-Frustration Features:
- You no longer have to enter a cheat code to invert the camera controls (although for some reason, the inversions only apply to SpongeBob).
- Patrick can now perform his belly attack while in the air, making up for his lack of air combat in the original game and making him more versatile in combat.
- Sandy's lasso meanwhile has been sped up considerably, making her easily the best fighter in the game as she can lasso multiple enemies and Shh Tikis without dropping even a few inches. While she could lasso enemies in mid-air in the original game, the sheer time this took made it unsuitable against anything except G-Loves.
- Sandy's Swing-Hooks now move much faster. While this does mean you have to hold the button down rather than tap once to latch on and tap again to get off, once you get used to it you can travel down a line of them far quicker than in the original game.
- Enemy long-range projectiles now have red targeting circles to let players know where they'll land, including attacks from Robo-Patrick and Monsoons.
- Buttons now have additional symbols to notify players about which attacks are needed to push them, instead of just a hand symbol for all buttons like in the original game. Buttons that require Throw Fruits to be thrown at them have a target symbol, buttons that require the Bubble Bowl have a bowling pin symbol, and buttons that require a Cruise Bubble have a crosshair symbol. Hands of course are kept for buttons you can just walk up to and hit with a melee attack.
- Sneaking as SpongeBob can now be done by holding the left trigger button (depends on platform) while moving. While you still can use the old "push the left stick slightly" method in the remake, the new one is a vast improvement.
- During slide time challenges, checkpoints will not activate so that if you fall off the slide, you'll instantly warp back to the start to redo the challenge, saving you minutes of finishing the rest of the slide or from having to manually warp to the start via pause menu. You will still have to talk to the character to start the time challenge over again, though.
- Robo-Patrick now becomes vulnerable directly at the center of his arena, preventing him from being too far off to hit.
- In the final phase of Robo-Patrick's boss fight, the Bubble Bowl now rolls along the goo's surface rather than disappearing when it touches it, making it easier to strike Robo-Patrick's weak spot.
- The Final Boss no longer requires you beat it with one try or start all over if you die midway though, as it merely respawns you where you last died.
- Falling into goo/acid no longer takes health off your character, instead bouncing them back to land unharmed. However, you'll still drown regardless if you're too far from dry land or you fail to make it back on your first bounce.
- The Golden Spatula menus now give you a thumbnail of where that Taxi warp will take you, making it more useful as a fast travel menu. The levels are also laid out in a 5x3 grid, meaning much less button presses to get from Bikini Bottom to the Chum Bucket Lab.
- The Slide handling is much more snappy with no drift, making it easier to go down Sand Mountain and Sandy's Dream.
- For the Kelp Vines, it had undergone a complete revamp that compressed the whole track, to retain the challenge without being nearly as unfair as the original. The area is now filled with rocky cliffs around the vines, making it more obvious where you can take shortcuts as well as removing a few new ones thanks to the compressed redesign.
- The sandmen in Flounder Hill and the power crystals in Kelp Caves now have their own GUI counts to easily keep track of them, which they never had in the original.
- Sandy and Patrick can now use the taxi stops at the beginning of levels. You'll still be forced to play as SpongeBob when you get back to Bikini Bottom, but you no longer have to go back to switch to him in order to leave.
- The trampoline that crosses from Goo Lagoon Island back to the main beach is now a two-way shortcut, allowing easier access to the Pier once unlocked.
- Author's Saving Throw:
- Many early builds of the game contained some odd elements, most notably a camera that panned down every time a character jumped. Later builds show this was fixed, thanks to speedrunner SHiFT manually programming a camera that was more faithful to the original.
- The original German and French dubs of Battle for Bikini Bottom had none of the original voice actors from the respective dubs of the show reprise their roles. Purple Lamp made it a point to get redubs of the game for these two languages made with as many surviving voice actors of the show as possible (it helps that they're based in Austria, a German-speaking country).
- To rectify a common complaint from players about the boss fights in the original game being too sluggish and drawn out (especially for speedrunners where certain bosses don't have the debug skip tactic to fall back on), boss attack patterns in the remake have been sped up to make them go at a much quicker pace. This also has the side effect of giving them a genuine threat level that wasn't truly present in the original, especially with Robo-Sandy.
- The SpongeBall power-up has been tweaked to go much faster, turn more sharply, and you can now jump with it, alleviating complaints of it being hard to control and impractical to use in the original game.
- One of the bigger issues with the Kelp Forest was the very dark lighting making it tricky to get navigate an already long, difficult level. The brightened up visuals are a welcome change.
- In regards to the "A Path Through the Goo" and "Goo Tanker Ahoy" challenges in the Flying Dutchman's Graveyard being infamous examples of Guide Dang It! in the original game, the remake makes it clear what you need to do to finish them. The tanker hatch now has a crosshair symbol to let you know that you need to hit it with a Cruise Bubble, and if you activate the treasure chest button pre-goo drain, the following cutscene will point you towards the tanker.
- Dialogues are now entirely skippable, ensuring that speedrunners or those who just want to move on don't have to mash the X/A buttons over and over again to get to the end.
- In the original game, the spike traps in Jellyfish Caves were notorious for popping out at random intervals with no warning and little time to react, leading to some cheap deaths for newer players. The remake fixes this by giving the spike traps a set pattern cycle that is easy to anticipate, and they telegraph their presence before popping out.
- The Nintendo Switch version was noted to have a rather low resolution and framerate issues. The resolution was fixed with the 1.0.2 patch, and the framerate was also made smoother.
- Wall-jumping no longer has a second-long delay, making that particular jumping section in the "Flying Dutchman's Graveyard" much less frustrating.
- The game now auto-saves whenever you collect a sock instead of requiring you to reach a checkpoint, so you no longer have to worry about re-collecting one if you die shortly after picking one up.
openHow do you delete pages? Live Action TV
The Helstrom show was declared separate from the Marvel Cinematic Universe by both the showrunner and the two stars. I've been trying to update Helstrom accordingly, and have recently moved all of the character folders from the MCU Character Index to Helstrom's own character page.
...and now I don't know what to do with the original pages. I tried submitting them to the Cut List, but the request apparently didn't go through. Anyone know how to actually do this?
Edited by EmeraldEmperoropenMy Troper Page Was Cut
So I just checked on my troper page at Alliterator and found it was cut due to "Bounced Troper." However, while I was banned from the forum, I haven't been banned from editing TV Tropes and have been doing so for a while, so I have no idea why the Troper page was cut. Nor do I understand why a Troper page would be cut, even if they were "bounced."
Edited by alliteratoropenCut List?
I submitted something to the Cut List a week or two ago. (PlayingWith.Irony) I haven't seen it on the List yet and the page is still up. How long do these normally take and is there any way I can check to see the status of my submission?
openDeath Battle Fridge pages blank for any reason?
The Fridge page for the Death Battle trope is empty. This looks like a recent issue too. Could someone fix this?
openCharacters: Death Battle Season Seven
I've kept trying to make edits on TV Tropes today, but as of this afternoon, it doesn't appear to be working. Is it like this for anyone else?
Edited by SeptimusHeapopenBan Evader?
I'm thinking that wayoftruth might actually be southsea. They only have two edits, but both involve bashing Carol Danvers and Kamala Khan, just like southsea did. They also bumped a review on Marvel Rising: Secret Warriors that was also nothing but bashing. Said review was left by Bringeroftruth and considering the similar names and edit history, I think this might also be an earlier alias for them.
Can we get an IP check or something?
Edited by chasemaddiganopenCleaning up a Nightmare Fuel page. Web Original
The Nightmare Fuel page for Marble Hornets has a couple entries that focus more on the larger Slenderverse/Slender Man Mythos/Slenderman as a concept, rather than the series itself. I'm wondering if it's a legal move to remove them or edit them way down, given that they aren't entirely relevant. There's also a few entries talking about extra-canonical things like the DVDs and ways real life might make the series scarier, and I'm not sure those should be there either. Any thoughts on what can or should be cut?
Edited by AnomalousEvolutionopenCharacterization tag removal plugin
On 11 September, NES Boy ran a plugin on the Ret-Gone page which erased all characterization tags... by removing everything after the tag, which certainly wasn't their intent. Oddly enough, this edit also changed the past-tense "retgonned" to "retgonne", which itself indicates use of a plugin.
Is there such a thing as using too many quotes to support tropes? I'm making a page for a novel I read and there are a fair number of good quotes I want to include to further explain why certain tropes appear in the work. Or should I try to minimize my quote usage?