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openSomething odd on Main "Title of the Dead"
I noticed that the Main page when you arrive shows a new trope called Title of the Dead for zombie-related media. The last part of its summary mentions "High School of the Dead" and an episode supposedly called "Pantybelt and Garter" ... but, when you click More and go to the page for the trope, all of that is missing!
What is up?
openRedirect policy and one-man cleanup projects
A while ago, I noticed that Vulkus (who I'm pinging here so they can respond) had started to systematically remove all redirects to The Legend of Zelda: Oracle Games (primarily The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages and The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons, the two games in the duology) and replacing them with the main page name. I was a little concerned, primarily because a) most of the examples affected were specific to one game or the other but not shared between them, so I wasn't too clear on the reasoning, b) relatedly, Vulkus did not leave any edit reasons nor links to any discussions to explain what they were doing, and c) this seemed like kind of a big project do out of one's own initiative. I contacted them through PMs to ask what was going on, and they stated that they were in the process of removing all redirects for certain pages that in their opinion had too many (they specifically identified the The Legend of Zelda and Golden Sun games here). Their stated reasoning was that these pages had been given too many redirects by a specific troper and that these redirects clutter up the pages for mobile users, and so they were intending to remove them all.
The primary reason I'm concerned here is that from what I'm understanding of this, this is far too big a project for a single troper to just decide they're going to across the entire site without consulting anyone else — especially if this is supposed to include actively cutting the redirects on all these pages right now instead of "just" editing examples to have a different active link. This was the primary thing I was trying to stress in my messages, but I'm not too certain I got my point across because after a while they simply stopped responding to me but continued right on with their one-troper cleanup project (they finished with the Oracle games, moved on to The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, and I think they're on The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess right now). Essentially, they decided to undertake a wide-scale wiki project on their own, apparently did not attempt to engage in any discussion over this before implementing it, did not leave justifications in their edit reasons, and simply cut off communication without altering their editing when contacted independently. I'm a little concerned about this.
Regarding the issue itself, I would actually tend to agree with their basic reasoning (a lot of the Zelda redirects are simply truncated or modified versions of the titles that don't seem to have ever actually been used officially, which does mean that they probably shouldn't actually exist) — but this should have been discussed and agreed on publicly, not decided by one person without oversight or input. This is especially so because a number of the redirects are the valid titles of secondary games and re-releases, and it seems to me that they would be the appropriate links to use for tropes and examples specific to them and not the broader and/or base work.
Basically, this should have been taken to the forums, and probably should be taken there still. A dedicated redirect cleanup thread is probably something we could make use of.
openGrievous inaccuracy problem
I noticed a problem with the General Grievous page. A user removed The Sociopath trope from General Grievous page and his reasoning was his relation for his pet monster Gor. One user added the trope and another user removed it. The main problems I mostly have are the reasons given were erroneous and flawed.
1) Grievous doesn't have love, empathy or similar towards Gor. He just shows irritation that his latest attempt to kill the Jedi failed. Grievous seems more angry they escaped rather than specifically angry that Gor is dead. He says "Gor?" questioningly and then just yells in a rage; he's not yelling Gor's name. He also doesn't have loyalty or empathy with Dooku and even openly threatened Dooku a couple of times.
2) He was approved recently as Complete Monster thread. Complete Monsters don't care about anyone except themselves. Here's the thread: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=6vic3f9h1cy5qivsenw8llok&page=10385#comment-259618
3) Some sociopaths can show care toward certain people as long as it doesn't contradict their lack of empathy toward everyone else (ex. Aaron the Moor, Vlad Plasmius, Fairy Godmother (Shrek), Chris Mclean, Alexia Ashford etc).
open"The Bad Guy Wins" misuse?
- Sonic The Hedgehog:
- In Sonic the Hedgehog (2006), Mephiles succeeds in his plan to kill Sonic, causing Iblis to escape from Princess Elise so he can merge with it to become Solaris. Fortunately, everyone's able to revive Sonic and hit the Reset Button to stop Solaris from destroying all of creation.
- Sonic Unleashed begins with Eggman gaining victory over Sonic by depowering him and cursing him with Dark Gaia's magic in the process, reviving the ancient world-ending Dark Gaia, breaking the planet apart, and finally dumping Sonic into space with the Chaos Emeralds drained of all their power.
- The plot of Sonic Forces revolves around Dr. Eggman successfully conquering the world, and Sonic and his friends have to take back control.
My impression is The Bad Guy Wins requires the work end with their having won as opposed to winning before the ending where it's undone, otherwise it's You Can't Thwart Stage One. Is that the case?
openTroper with writing issues
Lovetheclassics72 has grammar and first-person writing (specifically "this troper") problems in their edits on NightmareFuel.Sesame Street. For instance, they added this just three days ago:
- The clip with Little Jerry and the Monotones singing about danger scared this troper as a young kid, the explosions, crashes and one of Little Jerry's band members freaking out at the end was too scary danger
openManga title... Anime
The manga Jahī-sama wa Kujikenai! currently has a work page under Jahy-sama Won't Be Discouraged!.
However, this seems to be a direct translation of the Japanese title, and not an official English title, since The Other Wiki gives it the title The Great Jahy Will Not Be Defeated!
Which one is official and should be used?
openRecently created tropes
Is there a place where someone could quickly find the most recently launched tropes?
openPolitical shoehorning in tropes
After deleting a Hate Sink misuse on Trivia.Anthem 2019, I feel the need to inquire about Pendrake's other recent edits, namely their additions to various Real Life folders mostly concerning January 6's attack on the U.S. Capitol.
openIs it OK for me, a cis person, to write a works page for a book about being trans?
OK, so I like creating works pages for relatively well-known kids' books, and I was planning to do one for I am Jazz, but then I realised that book is about being trans and I'm cis, so I'm worried that it'd be insensitive.
openVideo Example Editing
Hey, I forgot to put in a media source for a video example I submitted. Is there any way I can fix this?
openApocalypse How vs. Type Labels Are Not Examples
I'm a bit confused as to how Apocalypse How works in the greater context of the wiki. There's an Administrivia page dedicated to being against "types" of a trope listed on the main Trope page, but Apocalypse How's entire concept seems to depend on the idea of different levels of world-ending; without specifying it's a "Class X-5" or a "Class 2" or whatever, it's no better than a duplicate of The End of the World as We Know It.
Does AH just work under slightly different rules (i.e. saying "Galactic Scale, Physical Annihilation" instead of just "Class X-3"), or is this something to take to the Trope Repair Shop?
Edited by BrashBusteropenNo Title
Kahibalo edited the Trivia page and the YMMV page for The Mitchells vs. the Machines to change the word "queer" to "gay". They also edited the main page to change the same word to "she likes girls". (This example was later rewritten by another troper.)
Sorry if this isn't important...
Edited by fraggleloveropenSelf Promoting Troper?
This one is a bit weird, and I'm not sure It's strictly bad, it's just... weird and I wanted to probe the hive mind about it.
Charles Phipps is clearly Creator.CT Phipps (He makes no secret of this, it's his forum signature), which, fine, authors can be tropers and trope their own works. The part that gets weird is whenever he write an example in a trope page about his work, he'll always plug the work name "by C.T. Phipps". For examples:
- This is the policy of the Vampire Nation in Straight Outta Fangton by C.T. Phipps. (...)
- This is the case for vampires in the Straight Outta Fangton books by C.T. Phipps. (...)
- Gary Karkofsky in The Supervillainy Saga by C.T. Phipps is a prime example of such. (...)
(See basically any trope page one his creator page's related to tab)
Now, this isn't strictly wrong at all. It's just that we don't usually list the author of a work in an example unless it's relevant and there's no policy for or against it afaik, and even then that's not a big issue, what makes me bring this here is that it's clearly being done by the author himself so it kinda enters this weird Shameless Self-Promotion territory and I'm not sure if it's something that needs to be addressed. And again, I wanna emphasize that this isn't like he's sockpuppetting or anything, he's pretty open about who he is. I'm not accusing him of violating actual policy or anything underhanded, it's more a question of form.
I removed the one in Stronger with Age at first coz it felt weird to have just the one example that listed an author, but undid it coz I really wasn't sure how to proceed.
Edited by GhilzopenEgo Print Comic
Does anyone know what character page has the comic version of Ego the Living Planet, I found the the MCU version but not the comic version?
resolved Cattlemen vs. Shepherds: Fantastic Racism? Live Action TV
There's an episode in the 4th season of the western tv show Rawhide that involves Gil Favor and his drovers coming across a traveling shepherd named Ted Stone, and it revolves heavily around the very real enmity between cattle-workers and sheep-workers of the period. Whilst based on profession rather than ethnicity, the "coding" is very obviously racist. Aside from the insults freely slung between the professions, we have things like the shepherd being refused service at a saloon for his profession, the bartender both refusing to tell the shepherd where to find a doctor and attacking series regular Rowdy Yates for trying to insist on service - which triggers a bar brawl and has Rowdy thrown in jail by the town sherriff to keep him from being lynched, the shepherd warning Rowdy to not ask for a jury trial in cattle country despite being treated unfairly, the shepherd having to see the town vet because the town doctor won't treat him, the town vet noting that no hotel in town will rent them a room, and the shepherd ultimately reveals he narrowly escaped what was basically a lynch mob of 30 cattle drovers who beat a fellow shepherd to death.
Anyway, my point is, does this count as Fantastic Racism? It clearly evokes racist hostility, but is aimed at profession rather than ethnicity... but, on the other hand, this was a real phenomena in the time period that the show is based upon, so it's not "fantastic" in the sense of "never was a thing in real life"...
openLimit on One Steve Limit? Live Action TV
So, One-Steve Limit is for a work that has two characters with the same name in it. Does that also apply to two different works that are explicitly in the same universe? For example, if Law & Order: SVU had a detective named Craig Johnson, and Law & Order: Organized Crime had a recurring supporting character named Craig Smith, would that count for OSL?
openReal Life examples for IJustWantToBeNormal?
There are no real life examples for I Just Want to Be Normal, yet there's nothing saying that real life examples aren't allowed. Can they be?
Does it have to be a superpower or something? I'm not sure that autism would count as a "superpower," but I think it kinda fits this trope. Some people with autism are really talented in some areas that most people might not be, but for some (including me), the social drawbacks that come with autism can be so frustrating that we may sometimes wish we were neurotypical. This concept is also shown in Max: An Autistic Journey, a video game showing a day in the life of an autistic child.
openHonest ban evader
Hey, edit-banned troper Sheruru just admitted to plans of ban evading.
No, really. Check it out.
openhow do I add an apostrophe to a work's title
How do I add an apostrophe to a work's title in the page link?
Edited by TheITinFIT
FanficRecs.Miraculous Ladybug contains this instruction:
That... seems incorrect? To our knowledge, that's the opposite of policy and how our community works.
Edited by wingedcatgirl