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openCreating a Timeline Page + For A Shared Universe Videogame
I've recently found out about the Timeline pages, but I can't seem to find any template or guideline pages for it. Are there any rules for it or should I just follow what the other entries are doing?
I'd like to create one for Tales of Zestiria and Tales of Berseria, its Distant Sequel. Should I do separate timelines or keep them together? I feel like the latter would be better since several details from Zestiria's story are directly linked to Berseria's.
If so, how should it be named? Can I simply call it Timeline.Tales Of Zestiria And Berseria because there isn't really a unifying canon term for their universe?
Edited by lapistieropenPopularity
Does this website limit popularity levels of a web animation? Are you allowed to create pages for practically web series’? It’s a dumb question, I know, but I just wanted to be sure!
Edited by crazysamaritanopenMentioning the details of a leak on a Trivia page (and preventing an edit war) Videogame
A few days ago, I added a Content Leak example to Trivia.Nickelodeon All Star Brawl:
- On the day the game was announced, several retailers put up pages to order the game. Many of these featured its box art for the first time, including silhouettes of several characters that were unannounced at the time.
- I'm not sure we can say exactly who these characters are at the moment, since it's technically troping leaks, but mentioning the leak in broad terms should be fine.
Two days later, Andy Mouse edited the example to mention the characters in question. I don't want to risk edit warring by removing his additions - partially because I'm not 100% sure if my interpretation of the anti-leak policy is correct - so I wanted to ask about the matter here.
openWhy not HoYay? What is it then?
Question about this from HoYay.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic that was brought to HoYay cleanup and cut.
- For World Pride Day, Ashleigh Ball posted some Appledash fanart that she had signed personally.
- One comment joked that Ball, who voices both characters, was shipping herself with herself.
I get removing it as it's not unintended subtext. But if so I'm confused why the Word of God intentional Ship Tease between them in the Series Finale and intentional subtext between AJ and Rarity in the Equestria Girls series are still listed? Also from the page:
- Even her VA, Tara Strong, is getting in on it. Claiming that Twilight's "deep dark secret" is her crush on Pinkie Pie when asked at the MLP Panel at San Diego Comic Con 2018.
Is it not Ho Yay because it's not about subtext in the work itself? Not within plausible deniability like the retained examples? Or was there some other reason?
That there actress is aware and approves of the ship is likely a reason for the subtext in their interaction and contributed to it being upgraded to Ship Tease in the finale. Even if not Ho Yay it's seems relevant/contributing enough to it that it should be mentioned somewhere. Ideas where? Approval of God?
I also asked here, but this may be a wider issue that would benefit from wider feedback.
Edited by Ferot_DreadnaughtopenProcedure for Renaming Works / Subpages
I apologize if this has already been asked somewhere, though I tried looking without success. I know that there is a thread on the forum for fixing capitalization errors for different work pages and sub-pages, but I couldn't really find such a thing for correcting other errors, such as a recap page having the wrong season labeled (as I have seen in Codename Kids Next Door S 3 E 5 Operation CAKEDFOUR) or a work page having the wrong namespace. What is the procedure for that? Is that something I should report or is it something I can change myself?
Edited by flyingj138openZero Context Example History
I've noticed looking at the edit history for some works that some of the older edits, particularly those around the early 2010s would have Zero Context Examples. Even though a good portion of those entries were edited to provide context for such entries, I'm still curious as to why this was a recurring practice in the early days.
openChris Keller again?
So I believe that Chris Keller is ban-evading for the seventh time, this time as Rodrik The Reader. The username follows CK's pattern of using character names (in this case from Game of Thrones, from which they've pulled usernames twice before), the edits are for many of the same pages CK is known to follow (Coronation Street, The Shield, Oz), and their history consists of a lot of serial tweaking.
Edited by iamconstantineopenMark Twain YMMV Literature
Please unlock the YMMV for Mark Twain. I intend to crosswick an approved CM entry for a work which does not exist on the wiki.
- Complete Monster (King Leopold's Soliloquy): King Leopold presents himself as a vicious hypocrite and sanctimonious tyrant who subjects the Free State of the Congo to horrific depravity. Having countless people killed and entire regions depopulated, Leopold demands high taxes and production rates from his supposed subjects, cutting off limbs or even castrating others who cannot meet them. Having people tortured and murdered in huge numbers, Leopold notes one of his mistakes was to have sixty innocents crucified and remarks fewer people would care if he'd them skinned. Uncaring of anything but lining his pockets, Leopold shows his only sympathy is to himself, indifferent to the half-million corpses he has left in his rush for money.
openMislabeling of work Print Comic
Children of the Atom is a comic that ran for 6 issues. After it ended, someone edited the page to say it is a miniseries/limited series, and I corrected that because it isn’t one. It was never advertised as one, and still isn’t, despite like four websites calling it one in hindsight — Marvel themselves have never referred to it as such (there’s a 1999 miniseries by the same name, but that is not this one).
Someone else recently changed it back to miniseries, and since I made the change, I can’t revert it without starting an edit war.
Point is: it ending after 6 issues doesn’t automatically make it a miniseries/limited series, because it was never advertised or labelled as such. In the solicitations for August of this year, which featured its final issue, it still isn’t advertised as one: https://www.cbr.com/marvel-comics-solicitations-august-2021/
Compare the solicitation to the one for Sinister War, which makes explicit that it has a predetermined amount of issues and is a limited series.
So yeah, can I edit it to remove mention of this being a limited/mini series?
openSerial stub creator
Obsessed With Oranges has made several stub pages that have no tropes whatsoever, a short description (sometimes only one line), and aren't indexed. Here's a few examples:
- Vox Machina An Exandrian Musical
- Noble Blood
- Ouran Gay Straight Abridged
- What We Pretend We Cant See (which has since been cut, but given the cutlist reason, it fits with this troper's habit of creating stub articles).
openWhat are these pages?
I found these two strange pages, Mask.Whatif Brideof Pretorius and Mask.Whatif Shrink Rap. They were launched in December of last year, and are in terrible shape. What could they be for?
Edited by FernandoLemonopenDuplicate recap pages
Ed Edd N Eddy S 4 E 4 They Call Him Mr Ed and Ed Edd N Eddy S 4 E 8 They Call Him Mr Ed both exist. The first one is older. I don't know which one is the correct episode number. The second one is also unindexed.
Edited by WalkinshadowsopenConfusing entry Live Action TV
The YMMV page for Star Trek: Voyager has the following entry for It's the Same, So It Sucks:
- What immediately sticks out about "Caretaker" is the amount of promise it shows. You’ve got a brassy female captain, a crew consisting of outlaws, misfits, refugees, a grouchy holographic Doctor, and a ship which is lost and alone in an uncharted area of space. Surely this is going to be an exciting return to the days of TOS? "Caretaker" boasts a huge budget for the time and sets up its characters and the series ethos with aplomb. But apparently the suits at Paramount and UPN's marketing department had other ideas...This is evident in the episode numbering scheme: originally, the show didn't start at "101" as a show should normally would, but at "801"— as in the Eighth Season of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Economics kill a lot of shows after actors finish their original contract and get a big raise to do one or two final seasons. If it weren't for Paramount's long-sought goal to have its own TV network spearheaded with a new Star Trek show, the best course would have been for TNG to continue indefinitely in syndication, gradually replacing its cast like ER or every other long-running show has done. It would have seemed perfectly natural for senior Enterprise-D crew members to move on with their careers and new ones to come aboard.
The entry is hard to make sense of, and it almost sounds like it's arguing that the show should have been the same, which is the opposite of the trope. Should this be rewritten, or just cut?
open TRS crowner for Win the Crowd
There is an active crowner in the TRS thread for Win The Crowd. The crowner is to decide upon whether or not the trope should be disambiguated to several other tropes, for reasons detailed in the thread.
If you would like to help decide the fate of this trope, please vote in the crowner attached to the thread.
Do not reply to this post. This is only an announcement. Voice your thoughts in the linked thread.
Also requesting a pre-emptive mod lock so as to prevent replies.
openExamples organized both by actor and by movie Film
I just noticed something odd in the "Films - Live-action" folder of Victoria's Secret Compartment: The examples are divided into two sections, "By Actress" and "By Film".
The "By Actress" folder only contains three actresses, and for two of these there really doesn't seem any point to the examples, because Adrienne Barbeau only has examples from two films (one of which is a ZCE), and Jennifer Connelly just from a single film.
For Bernadette Peters there's at least a point to it, because the example says that the trope is frequently used by her, and goes on to list four works and then "the list is endless" (turning it into a general example). And, of course, the entire list is a ZCE because it says nothing about the context.
My first question: Is this really kosher? And if it is, how often should an actress use the trope to merit a "by actress" entry?
My second question: What to do about it?
I would like to make the three examples for Adrienne Barbeau and Jennifer Connelly to the "by film" list, and make proper work-centered examples of the two which are not ZCEs.
But what should be done about the Bernadette Peters list of ZCEs? Create (and comment out) ZCE entries for each film? Or just delete the entry for being a general example? Just commenting it out is not a solution, I think, because that would keep the "By actress" organization.
Edited by GnomeTitanopenPassive-aggressive troper refusing to acknowledge concerns in TLP.
I think some mod intervention may be needed in the Evil Egg-Eater draft. Troper generation81 is being rather passive-aggressive with their responses to our concerns regarding the title, even going as far as to deliberately ignore our advice. One such comment they left in particular: "Y'know what, i'm keeping the current title, regardless if some may disagree. Sorry, y'all.", definitely shows unwillingness to co-operate. It seems like they're desperately trying to get the draft launched as quickly as possible regardless of any problems present.
Edited by DivineFlame100openPage vandalism?
I have a page for my fanfic series. Poster str8aura just posted the following in the fic description, between where the quote marks appear in the excerpt below:
…fan stories written by Creator/Bolt_DMC, “who, coincidentally, is also the only person who ever edits this page and created every entry in a shameless attempt to bring more attention to their fic.”
Presumably this counts as page vandalism? I intend to remove their edit, but I don’t want to be accused of edit warring. I also realize that the fic may be mine and the trope page is not — but this seems like an entirely unreasonable edit.
Permission requested to remove their edit, and I would also like to report their behavior. I doubt seriously that sending them a PM is worth the effort.
Thanks!
Edited by BoltDMC
UnintentionallySympathetic.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic
- Cozy Glow was supposed to be as unrepentantly evil as the worst villains despite her age and thus deservingly locked up in Tartarus and turned to stone in the series finale, without the slightest attempt at rehabilitation. But many found treating a child as so irredeemable without giving them backstory to show how and why they turned out such as unfair after all the times adults received leniency, especially considering the main cast had ulterior motives for Easily Forgiving Starlight Glimmer and Discord, which makes it seem like the main cast base who they will and won't forgive on how useful they are to them. Even the equally unrepentant Queen Chrysalis was allowed by the heroes to flee. Jim Miller stated that "It seemed fun and subversive at the time" but acknowledged how some would take offense.
Karmic OverkillThe US entry was made before Karmic Overkill existed, which seems the more appropriate trope as Cozy lacks unacknowledged sympathetic traits such even those complaining about the excessiveness agree she deserved some form of punishment. Should Cozy's US entires be moved to KO as it's now a more fitting trope?
I also asked MLP cleanup but this might be a more general question about Us vs KO.