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"I love you"... I mean, "I love me"... wait a minute.
Oh give me a clone, just a clone of my own With its Y chromosome changed to an X And when we're alone, just me and my clone We'll both think of nothing but sex - Isaac Asimov
It's a simple tale: Person photocopies self, or travels to an Alternate Universe, or another time. Person meets self. Both selves make beautiful music together. After all, what better person to be most intimate with?
Probably more prevalent in Fan Fic than in original work, but it's out there. Technically, any intimacy between a character and their Enemy Without will be Selfcest, too.
Also known as Selfcest or Autoincest. See also Opposite Sex Clone, Twin Threesome Fantasy, My Own Grampa.
Examples:
Live Action TV
- In Red Dwarf, "Parallel Universe", the crew go to a parallel Red Dwarf where humans are all of opposite genders, and Lister gets drunk and sleeps with his female self, to the disgust of both versions of Rimmer ("How could you possibly contemplate making love to yourself?" "Well, why break the habit of a lifetime?"
- Of course, Female!Rimmer was also trying to come on to Male!Rimmer, using (or planning on using) the same crappy pick-up lines and talent for hypnosis he mentioned at the beginning of the episode...
- The parallel universe had male and female roles completely switched, so female-Lister gets male-Lister pregnant. This is revealed immediately before the end of the episode, and what happens to the fetus is dealt with in some some scrolling text at the start of the following season...
- Ironically, in "Rimmerworld", he decides to make an Opposite Sex Clone of himself... somehow. And then have sex with the clone, despite some misgivings:
Rimmer: This of course created the most enormous moral dilemma. Technically, she would be my sister, and therefore unable to take me as her lover. After much soul searching, I reluctantly decided, "What the hell", I just wouldn't tell her.
- This plot is doubly implausible even by the series' standards, as Rimmer remains a hologram, therefore (1) has no DNA with which to make a clone and (2) if he could make one, still could not touch her.
- No DNA, but there is programming code. We can differentiate male and female computer constructs; why not Rimmer?
- This is season 6, after he got his Hard Light drive, and in the episode this occurred in, it was established that the hologram code was so ridiculously complex that it even simulated congenital heart disorders.
- And even if Rummer wasn't in hard light form, the aforementioned "Parallel Universe" showed that two holograms could touch each other even if they couldn't touch anything else. This was probably to allow the female Rimmer to physically harass male Rimmer.
- Perversions Of Science used this concept. A man decides that no woman is good enough for him, so he decides to create "the perfect woman" by having a sex change and then going back in time to have sex with himself.
- A skit on The Man Show had Adam Corolla and a clone of himself, eventually coming to the conclusion "After all, it's only me, right?"
- On Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Willow's Lesbian Vampire Evil Twin acted interested in getting physical with her human counterpart, licking her squicked-out human counterpart with lustful intent.
- One of the ways the illusion-casting Candice from Heroes tries seducing Sylar is by appearing to him as Sylar ("Or something more familiar... if that's what you're into.").
- In Sliders, Quinn once discusses his adventures on a talk show, and mentions having met a female version of himself. He is immediately asked, "did you have sex with her?" (We never really found out if he did, though they did kiss. She was Ax Crazy, anyway.)
- We actually get to see them meet early on - though it's something of an It Was His Sled episode as far as that goes. The trailer promoted this episode on that basis, but in-show you wouldn't know until near the end. Quinn is attracted to Logan; Logan only wants his sliding device, but will play along to get it. In her Evil Confession, Logan says, in effect, that she is his Evil Twin - it's just a minor slide from XX to XY, right? (Good Is Dumb, which is why she figured it out first.) In the end, he slides away with a remote, with her sliding after with a time lag... Pity we never meet her again. That was also the episode which, in the end, changed the range of the slider remote from "San Francisco only" to "all the way to LA..."
- Although never even hinted at in-series, the use of "regeneration" in Doctor Who and the propensity for the Doctor to meet his past selves has all the inevitable implications. Then again, considering that the new series certainly isn't shy about sexual innuendos and even less about homosexual ones, if it ever does a multi-Doctor episode I'd be surprised if it wasn't mentioned.
- In the old episode "The Five Doctors" five of the Doctor's incarnations joined together to battle a unknown foe for the Time Lord's source of power.
- They've done a two-Doctor episode (the 2007 Children in Need short). There was no self-love involved except for a speech by Ten about how much he had loved being Five (included because the writer, producer, and actor all grew up during Five's tenure as the Doctor.)
- In the last episodes of the 4th season, we wind up with three versions of the same Doctor: the Doctor proper, the Hand Doctor and the DoctorDonna. Captain Jack, when finding out that 'there are three of you now?', says "I can't tell you what I'm thinking right now."
- There is an entire livejournal community dedicated to exactly this.
- Stargate SG-1: Given how much puppetmaster Ba'al was hitting on Adria, what he might have had in plan after one of his clones possessed her may have fit the trope. However, he never got to carry on his plans, so we may never know... Which is probably best.
- On Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Kira's (same sex) Evil Counterpart in the Mirror Universe had the hots for her.
- Mirror-Kira has the hots for everyone.
- Though a fandom thing, Voyager wound up with this due to the actor for Tom Paris having been on Next Generation as an entirely different character. So a lot of fanfic winds up with the two characters meeting up in some bar, drunk. (Or, alternatively, just doing a Recycled Script of someone else's fic with Tom being such a narcissist he heads to the holodeck to copy himself.)
- Mystery Science Theater 3000 references this trope a couple of times, once when talking about a Time Travel movie (Time Chasers), and once where a character was in a computer simulation with a copy of himself (Overdrawn at the Memory Bank).
Film
- A deleted scene in Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me had Number 2 from the past and future in bed, smoking cigarettes, and the older one musing that it's not technically cheating.
- Star Trek VI: Kirk to fellow Klingon-gulag inmate Martia, who turns out to be a shapeshifter, formerly in the form of an attractive female humanoid and now in the form of Kirk himself: "I can't believe I kissed you!" Martia: "Must have been your lifelong ambition!" (It's implied her real form is the hulking masculine-if-not-actually-male Yeti from the elevator scene.)
- In The Sixth Day, Adam Gibson, who was cloned without his knowledge, tells the villain he should clone himself while he's still alive. The villain asks if it would be so he could get Adam's unique perspective. Adam says, "No, so you can go screw yourself."
- "When I said you should screw yourself. I didn't mean it literally"
Literature
- The Man Who Folded Himself by David Gerrold
- "'—All You Zombies—'" by Robert A Heinlein. In which the unmarried mother, the seducer, their illegitimate child, and the recruiter for the time-travel corps all turn out to be the same person.
- Heinlein's Time Enough For Love: Lazarus Long at first objects to screwing his own identical-twin female clones, but relents when they assure him it's no more than "Narcissus loving himself".
- Analogy Backfire here: remember what happened to Narcissus?
- Yeah, and that's supposed to make it (from Lapis Lazuli and Lorelei Lee's point of view) even more heartbreaking, since Lazarus refuses to acknowledge that for him "that Narcissist love could be consummated".
- Downtiming The Night Side, by Jack Chalker. Or So I Heard.
- Not as squicky as it sounds: By the time the hero/heroine hooks up with him/herself they are essentially different people thanks to several time loops and the book's time travel Phlebotium.
- It happened (sans sex change) in The Time Travelers Wife. What made it even more messed up was that the character was 15 at the time (or, alternately, less messed up, because teens are just that horny). Also, his father walked into the room and caught him (them?) at it (though he didn't see both clearly). The character rationalized it as a parallel to masturbation, and the logical course of action that "anyone" would take.
- Parallelities by Alan Dean Foster not only has the main character bedding an alternate female version of himself while traveling through The Multiverse, he eventually finds an alternate Earth populated entirely by doubles of himself.
- The Darkover novel Two to Conquer has the main character meet up with an exact physical duplicate of himself. The expected interaction occurs.
- Stork Naked, by Piers Anthony.
- Sex With Ghosts
, by Sarah Kanning.
Western Animation
Webcomics
Radio Drama
Anime/Manga
- Too many Naruto hentai to count. Or So I Heard...
- Hell, it would be better than your hand any day.
- This editor has a friend who jokes (one hopes...) that, were he able to create Shadow Clones, he would never leave the house. And just to paint your nightmares tonight: Two Words: Gag Penis.
- A less nightmarish take on this idea: Have the Shadow Clone Transform into a love interest. There's at least one Naru/Hina fanfic out there that has toyed with this idea (and it's squick-free, too...though Mileage May Vary on that).
- It's porn. It's a pornographic comic where Hinata uses the shadow clone and transformation techniques (even though she knows neither) to date and later fuck Naruto.
- Ranma 1/2 lemon fics use this (some would say far too often).
- Both the manga and anime actually explored this, though in different manners:
- The anime filler story, which came first, created a female-only (and demonic) copy of Ranma that tried to seduce him to steal his life force, causing him to stumble around zombie-like during the day.
- The manga version centered on a haunted mirror, which created identical copies of whoever looked into it. Since the mirror had trapped the spirit of a girl who had longed to have a boyfriend, any resulting copies would then chase anyone of the opposite sex, and try to date them. When a mirror-copy of girl-Ranma was made, she was immediately smitten with boy-Ranma, and she tried to bed him on her very first night of existence. At the end of the story, a male clone was created accidentally, and both copies happily hooked up (since it would take another week for the seal on the mirror to be fixed, whatever they did afterwards belongs in the realm of imagination.
- Any anime where the main character has a split personality where the other half is a Bishonen falls into this, such as DN Angel and Yu-Gi-Oh...especially Yu-Gi-Oh.
- Ohoho, especially Yu-Gi-Oh, INDEED. Not only does the titular character fall into this, but other characters of sorts who had an alter ego or possessed self of some form.
- Pictured: In Yes! Precure 5, when each Pretty Cure besides Dream is forced to face an Enemy Within while wearing the Mask of Despair, Cure Lemonade faces a creepily affectionate version of her civilian self.
- Also, a sticker set for the second season exists pairing each girl up with her implied or stated love interest: Dream with Coco and Komachi with Nuts, both of which became canon in season one; Karen with Milk, which can't be outright stated but is pretty darn close; Urara and Rin with Syrup, both of which are currently implied (but Urara seems to be winning, despite Toei earlier saying otherwise... Rin has bad luck with boys, doesn't she?), and Kurumi with... Milk again. Herself. Yeah.
- One word: Yamattoshipping.
- Happens in the second episode of Kaiba; the woman who helped the titular character sneak onboard a spaceship copies her own memories into his body and the two of them have a little fun together... which is quite disturbing given the series' surreal and childlike artstyle. Then the copy kills the original for fear of being deleted.
- Youko!Kurama X Shuuichi!Kurama is seen occasionally in Yu Yu Hakusho fanfic, but they're not usually portrayed as the same person.
- This troper once saw a really bizarre (pun completely intended) lemon which included Will/Gyro and Jonathan/Johnny pairings. May or may not count though as Gyro and Johnny are their alternate universe incarnations, but look and act very different.
- Technically, the implied attraction between Madlax and her progenitor/creator/original herself Margaret would be this, seeing how she is her Enemy Without of sorts.
- In Hentai manga Alice in Sexland, an artisan created a cupboard that can create perfect duplicate copy of herself (or the user), but having male reproductive organ instead of woman (this, of course, are only seen to be used by woman), and wants to have sex with the user.
Comic Books
- Jamie Madrox (a second-string X-affiliated character) has the power of self-duplication, which allows him to split into multiple physical copies of himself, sometimes with distinct personalities. Guess what trope comes up in about 90% of Madrox-related Fanfic.
- One of Madrox's duplicates brings out the subject when he's sitting bored at a bar. He indicates he'd rather continue to be bored.
- And it's an old question in Legion Of Super Heroes fandom whether Triplicate Girl sleeping with herselves would be incest or masturbation...
- An unusually blatant example, the Sentry and the Void are both alter-egoes of the same man, split into two bodies, who have passionately kissed on at least one occasion.
- And this trope wouldn't be complete without the XXXenophile story "Dopplegangbang".
- XXXenophile delved into the trope more than once, in fact. There was also a story titled "Self Indulgence", and possibly others too.
- Yep. Clones in "Family Reunion", and a situation in "Heart of Stone" where a cleric has to turn two of her fellow party members into illusionary duplicates of herself in order to satisfy the conditions of a curse.
- Supergirl has an alternate-universe doppelganger named Power Girl, who is basically her, only ten years older and more aggressively individualistic (she doesn't wear Superman's costume), with shorter hair and... well, if you've ever heard of the character, you know what else. There is a(n un)surprising amount of Supergirl/Power Girl slashfic.
- Speaking of Power Girl, the Justice League animated series used a Lawyer Friendly Cameo version of Power Girl (a clone named Galatea) and if you didn't think there as a fuckton of Les Yay between her and Supergirl, we weren't watching the same show.
- DupliKate (who has self-duplication powers) from Invincible has had people walk in on her while she's... enjoying herselves... multiple times.
Video Games
- The Kingdom Hearts series has a great potential for this (and don't think for a second fandom hasn't picked up on this), with Riku and the Riku Replica, Demyx and his waterclones, Xemnas and Xehanort's Heartless (heck, why not Xehanort himself?), and Roxas and Sora (and any other Somebody/Nobody pairings if we meet more of them.)
- Um, hello? Kairi/Namine, anyone? Just take a look around the site "Hentai Foundry", it's not difficult to find.
- And don't forget the innumerable stories and drawings which pair the Squaresoft Expies from Kingdom Hearts with their original inspirations.
- Roxas/Sora also has a small legion of dedicated shippers.
- In the Ace Attorney series, this troper has found some ... Diego Armando x Godot goodies. Just, no.
- On a more lighter side, but still pretty creepy, this troper also has found throughout the Japanese fandom, fanart of crossovers between the US and Japanese counterparts. Phoenix (US) seems to be always portrayed as enjoying Ryuichi's (JPN) company a little TOO much...
- On the other hand, surprisingly little The Legend Of Zelda: Four Swords hentai exists.
- But it does exist.
- However, there's quite enough Zelda/Sheik out there to make up for it... if that even counts.
- It does. Whether male or female (let's not get into that Flame War) Sheik is Zelda in disguise. Fanfics by Yaoi Fangirls under the influence of Het Is Ew will often make them separate without as much as a Hand Wave, but the game is a hundred percent clear on who Sheik is.
- Not to mention a good deal of Link/Dark Link slash.
- *groaning at the (hopefully) unintended bad pun*
- Link and Dark Link are technically separate characters, though.
- Tales Of Abyss with Asch and Luke.
- This Troper invented Samus/Zero Suit Samus and Lucario/His Aura. Note that the latter is physically impossible. It's that perverted.
- This troper has also seen a hella lot of Prince/Dark Prince from Prince of Persia: The Two Thrones.
Real Life
- You know you'd do it.
- This troper wouldn't. He has some negative body image issues.
- So does this one, but that wouldn't stop him.
RPG
- The player's handbook to Aberrant (a White Wolf RPG centered around people developing superpowers as a world-wide phenomenon) contain a chapter with various superhero teams and similar groups across the world (some of which are painfully ethnic). One is the Queer Nova Alliance, an informal group of Novas (superpeople) with 'alternate lifestyles'. One member is Tommy Orgy, whose selection of powers includes self-cloning. It's not made explicit, but what's implied...
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