^ More or less, that people consider a character Gar due to his Hot Bloodness (and maybe ailed with a boisterous and awesome personality). Suzumiya Haruki was just an example, my point is that many people agreed he fit even though it has nothing to do with any concept of Gar I've seen here.
Gushing About Characters You Like fits a lot Gar, but Memetic Badass not so much (though it may be the case).
I've suggested just redirecting to Badass (as it was before) but, as we see, it is not quite the same thing. Even after the massive Trope Decay people still don't reconise Gar as being just a Badass.
I would vote for a fanspeak page.
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Chainsaw time. Let's remove the examples.
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I just used Memetic Badass because characters who are considered GAR generally get a lot of that from the fandom because of its Gushing About Characters You Like nature.edited 4th Sep '10 3:40:04 PM by Prime32
GAR is meant to be serious?
BTW, I'm a chick.
Yes.
Memetic Badass is making stuff up about characters, GAR is admiring their achievements. The only relation is that you are more likely to make up stuff about characters that have your attention.
edited 4th Sep '10 3:41:37 PM by Prime32
...isn't it from 4chan?
Wait, maybe we're using different definitions of serious. Gar is meant to be some actual property of a work rather than a fan flanderization for the lulz?
edited 4th Sep '10 3:41:35 PM by Yamikuronue
BTW, I'm a chick.
The descriptions can get... flowery, I'll give you, but the point is supposed to be that the viewer reacts powerfully. EDIT: Not a property of a work, Yami, a property of a character.
There's a Roman term roughly equivalent in meaning to GAR, but I can't remember what it is right now.
EDIT: Ah, found it. Virtus
This article may help: http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2008/08/24/what-makes-a-character-gar-to-me/ (be sure to read the comments). That definition has more similarity with The Fettered and The Unfettered (where a character is Badass primarily because they're The Fettered), and I find it matches how I've used the term.
edited 4th Sep '10 4:09:27 PM by Prime32
Why don't we have a page action crowner to see what can be generally agreed to constitute GAR? After that we can see if it should just be an alternate title for badass, memetic badass or is actually distinct.
I don't think it is a good idea. It is a pre-existent term, it shouldn't be us who decide what it means.
If I can make a comment on Archer, the origin of the term...
People don't call Archer GAR because he's powerful. It's widely acknowledged that he's one of the weakest Servants in Fate Stay Night. He went to fight Berserker knowing that there was no possible way he could win, and yet he fought anyway. He gave everything he had and pushed his wounded body beyond its limits, just to buy a few moments for the others.
It was his force of will that viewers admired that much. Some mis-uses have happened when people are introduced to the term via Gao Gai Gar and Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, which has characters who are both GAR and Hot-Blooded.
I should point out that most people who have played the VN version of Fate/stay night will tell you that Shirou becomes more GAR than Archer. The scene they're referring to is one where Archer's arm is grafted onto Shirou's body, and its presence is invading and destroying him. Shirou receives a vision of Archer asking if he can keep up. His reply?
"No, you're the one who should be trying to keep up with me!"edited 4th Sep '10 4:35:40 PM by Prime32
But it sounds like it's a term with multiple, similar-but-not-the-same definitions. In troper-speak: it's an overarching name for a family of Sister Tropes.
edited 4th Sep '10 4:22:49 PM by MetaFour
You say it's a preexisting term, but there's obvious disagreement over what the term means. Nodoka is not GAR. We need to come up with a description we can agree upon that says why she is not.
^ That is why it is an horrible name for a trope. The name exist for quite a long time, but it had mutated so much it is hard to witch one is the 'correct' anymore. Sure, we could use the original definition, but if there is people who call Nodoka Gar (and it was not a few people, if I remember correctly) there is people who will misuse the trope due to its name.
My proposal is making it a fanspeak page, explaining it origins meaning and more common 'mutation' or 'misuse'. Then we list few indisputable examples to illustrate the trope. These examples would be Archer, Kamina and maybe 3 others we all agree are Gar without mistake. We can open a crowner for these few examples, if we want.
edited 4th Sep '10 4:39:40 PM by Heatth
I wouldn't mind cutting it or your idea, either. I simply think it deserves a fair shot at distinguishing itself, especially as it appears to be a trope people want to launch over and over.
edited 4th Sep '10 4:41:06 PM by Arha
Yeah, I would like to have this as a proper trope, if only there was a single definition for it. But, as I said, I have been presented to it as a completely different thing (a mix of Hot-Blooded with Large Ham), so I figured it wouldn't be the best name.
Also on my idea, we could add a few token examples of how the trope has mutated as well. Citing Nodoka and Haruki.
Hey, how about a game? Witch characters have you seen being described as "gar", regardless of if you agree or not? For me it would be Archer(duh), Kamina, Nodoka, Kyon and Haruki.
Archer, Kamina (or so I'm told) Kenpachi, maybe Jack Rakan, and maybe Domon Kasshu. To me, GAR means MANLY! with some badassitude and ham thrown in.
Er, misread. Archer, Lancer (FSN) Kamina, Master Asia, Kenpachi. That's basically it.
edited 4th Sep '10 5:02:21 PM by Arha
I've never seen either Nodoka or Haruki described as GAR. For the record, the ones I do know are Archer (of course), Kamina, Captain Harlock, various Jojos, and even Bang Shishigami, who's kind of a Butt-Monkey.
There's a big overlap between Hot-Blooded and GAR because those characters are usually the type to take Determinator Up To Eleven.
Yeah, I corrected myself.
Moe GAR is just Badass Adorable. It's also a pointless redirect, but that doesn't really matter, anyway.
Moe GAR is this 
In all seriousness, the requirements for it seem to be a little more flexible, varying from "GAR, but a woman" to "Moe, but Badass"
Mainly I've seen Archer (and later-routes Shirou), Gai Shishioh and the main characters of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann described as GAR. Oh yes, and Master Asia once or twice.
And Nodoka... yes, it was cool that she stood up for herself that one time, but it was blown out of all proportion. Even then, I've never seen her called GAR before I read this page.
edited 5th Sep '10 5:31:10 AM by Prime32
^^ I know. Just pointing it is yet another "unusual" usage of Gar.
Uh, did like 50% of you fail to see the point of this trope? It isn't really about being badass or hot blooded or any of that jazz, the title GAR was used because it fits pretty damn well, but another name could be used for the meaning of the trope. Now onto my main point, characters who are badass (but not GAR) are liked by fans because they do cool things and beat people up real good, they're responsible for the HSQ of a show, GAR (The meaning of this particular trope, and kinda-sorta the meme) is about a character who the fans are sexually attracted to, a character who's so cool and so damn badass that their looks don't matter, a character who will get fangirls or fanboys even if they're ugly (Though yet again, they don't have to be ugly, take Kamina for example), a badass-ness induced lust so to speak. See the difference and see how this trope can be useful? And hey, it's a great explanation of Ugly Guy, Hot Wife.
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I cut it. Back to YKTTW. Listen to the input from the other tropers.
We could have a fan-speak definition entry for it, without examples. A list of 'cool dudes' isn't very useful.
edited 5th Sep '10 2:46:30 AM by FastEddie
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I did, we had a whole hell of a lot of people who wanted to launch the fucking thing, I asked people to clarify their problems so we could fix them, I gave people like two fucking days to do it, no problems came out of the woodwork, I launched it. This is troppable, I've defined it pretty damn well, yes it is fan speak, yes it is subjective, guess what? We have both fan speak and subjective tropes, I really fail to see peoples problems with this trope, but I'll YKTTW again.
"Whoa" Keanu Reeves
Sorry, what was your point about hot-blooded characters? That people think Haruki Suzumiya is GAR?
I just used Memetic Badass because characters who are considered GAR generally get a lot of that from the fandom because of its Gushing About Characters You Like nature.
So, cut and turn into a redirect for Bad Ass or keep as a fanspeak page?