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Regarding the Trivia namespace (crowner switched 22th Nov 2014):
AXTE INCAL AXTUCE MUNI understand that Hey, It's That Guy! and What Could Have Been examples from works pages are supposed to be moved there. What other argenfargles should be moved to the trivia pages? I think Shout-Out and Take That could be moved.
Huh, I just posted in a discussion page asking about Shout Outs and trivia. I definitely think shout outs can go under trivia. I've been putting What Could Have Been in YMMV, though... is that alright? Other possible trivia tropes:
edited 15th Nov '10 8:01:05 PM by melloncollie
Seems to work.
Could we get a banner for the tropes that should be on the trivia mainspace? Maybe make a trivia index.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Teutonic Tomboy T-GirlI think Shout-Out and Take That are both still Tropes, though. While referential, they're still part of the work and its storytelling. I think the general organizing principle behind the Trivia tab is a place to put non-tropes that are nevertheless worth nothing in some fashion. Edit: Melloncollie's other 4 look appropriate for Trivia, though.
edited 15th Nov '10 8:05:32 PM by suedenim
AXTE INCAL AXTUCE MUN^^Trivial Tropes?
edited 15th Nov '10 8:04:43 PM by MetaFour
Hm?The problem with Shout Outs, though, is that I've noticed a tendency of regarding anything which could possibly be construed as a connection between two works as an example of the trope. It leads to really long Shout-Out sections full of things that probably aren't intended Shout Outs. Anything we could do about that?
“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”
'M not Crazy, just RavenShout-Out already has its own namespace for some works, although that seems to be from the way the page was split
edited 16th Nov '10 5:02:23 PM by rodneyAnonymous
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel.
Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
I missed the bit where anyone said "supposed to be", if it was said; I only know that people, including me, have been talking about it.
AXTE INCAL AXTUCE MUN
I've been putting What Could Have Been in YMMV, though... is that alright?I would say that the content of the WCHB should be trivia. For example, something like "In the first draft, Bob was gay, and the director's first choice for the role was Christian Bale!" is a cold fact that's either true or not true. It only enters YMMV territory if you try to say that it's What Should Have Been (or alternatively, What We Can Thank Crystal Dragon Jesus For Not Allowing To Happen)—which is irrelevant to the argenfargle. Oh brother, even trivia argenfargles can get derailed by subjectivity.
Teutonic Tomboy T-GirlYeah, it's a bit annoying. For instance, I found one on the Galaxy Quest page that essentially amounts to Wil Wheaton saying "I wish I'd been in that movie." No hints that anyone had actually considered putting him in the movie, though.... I have to admit that my approach is more "Get this crap off the Main page" than devoting a lot of energy to issues like "Objective Trivia vs. Subjective Trivia."
Geronimo!Same. Get it off Main is my primary goal.
Geronimo!Er... umm, dunno. Mythology Gag is usually relevant in-universe, right?
yeah, that was my thought, initially. stuff like Continuity Nod and Mythology Gag are related to the series itself, or a previous incarnation of it, so it should have some relevance, right? but then, a lot of it doesn't really affect the plot at all. a lot of them are just mentions or quips with the intention of Pandering to the Base. soooo, if they don't have anything to do with the plot in any way (much like Shout Outs), shouldn't they go in trivia as well? also, a little while ago i found an instance of Names to Know in Anime, with a list of voice actors for the characters. i understand we're not moving voice actor pages from the main page (well, we could move them to the character sheet if there is one, but if there's no character sheet i guess we can't move them at all), so would this use be allowed? or should that list be moved somewhere else, like trivia?
AXTE INCAL AXTUCE MUN
a lot of them are just mentions or quips with the intention of Pandering To The Base.And a lot of Fanservice is also Pandering to the Base that doesn't affect the plot. I'm of the opinion that Continuity Nod should stay on main. But if we wanted to aggressively move stuff, I could understand sending Mythology Gag to trivia.
right, good point. i have no problem leaving Mythology Gag and Continuity Nod on the main page, not really. Shout-Out usage is a more ubiquitous because people will find connections where there really aren't any, and the Shout-Out lists can get pretty large. so can MG and CN, although we could always just say they get moved to trivia if the list gets too large (although, that's sort of what Continuity Porn is for, isn't it?) i ran across these, which might be in the in the same boat:
Sorcerer SupremeNow should the stuff that's being added into the Trivia section be added as
edited 25th Nov '10 8:30:10 AM by DocStrange
i've just been adding them as a regular trope listing, in alphabetical order, just like the YMMV tabs. on one ocassion i had to soft-split a page, though, because it already contained a couple of trivia facts that were not examples of tropes; i just left those at the top, then added a heading for "trivia tropes" and listed the tropes under that heading. we should definitely have an index for these tropes. a banner would be useful, but i think an index would be a great start. the Trivia page as it stands is just an autoindex of pages that have a trivia tab, it doesn't tell us anything about which tropes go in the trivia tab. we should have both, like in the case of YMMV / YMMV Index. i like the name Trivial Index, myself. so which tropes do we have on the listso far?
edited 25th Nov '10 9:12:43 AM by carla
What Could Have Been was the one that started this discussion in the first place.
132 is the rudest number.
right, edited my post to add it. thanks!
I would not include Shout-Out and Actor Allusion. That line of "affecting elements in the work" is important and these are things meant to directly affect the audience.
Don't just tell us the facts; tell us the memes, tell us the archetypes, tell us the catchy ideas and symbolic roles that get planted in pe
i'm not sure. Shout Outs are pretty much what trivia pages in, say, imdb are filled with. i was thinking about it a while ago and came to some conclusions... let's see: trivia:
I see the Awesomeness.Ascended Meme should not be on Trivia.
edited 25th Nov '10 3:42:42 PM by Deboss
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