Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

Can't really argue with that...

The recent addition to Dude, Not Funny! in YMMV.Spongebob Squarepants: " In later seasons, many of Mr. Krabs' callous and heartless acts would be indicative of a Complete Monster if not for the show's humorous nature and use of Comedic Sociopathy automatically disqualifying him from the trope." It is okay?

edited 3rd Mar '13 4:16:32 AM by MagBas

While the usage of CM there is correct in a way, the example a) has no context and b) it's not an example of Dude, Not Funny!.

Machete it away.

Okay.

For Crossed, I just got rid of the Zero Context Example. Now just need write-ups (or cutting) of the Sonic examples and work on Dredd.

If there's no objections, then in 24 hours, I'll cut Alpha Protocol's Conrad Marburg.

Giving until tomorrow for the edits, otherwise I'll cut the Sonic examples and edit Dredd myself.

If no one else has anything to say about the Heroes examples I'll cut them all tomorrow.

edited 3rd Mar '13 11:16:33 AM by VeryMelon

Could you explain why? His description paints him as a pretty nasty piece of work.

We discussed Marburg on the previous pages.

Alright: Usagi examples:

• General Fujii was the head of a gang that took over a village. They reduced the workers to slaves, and ordered them to farm and cultivate for long hours. They would continue to do this until the Tax collector came, where they would just kill all the villagers and go to another town. When Usagi happens infiltrates them, he's discovered and tortured, with Fujii taking his swords. When the peasants revolt, the slaughter their way through them, and Fujii abandons most of his men to die or face the police. He and his loyal Dragon take over another gang and launch raids on a village, where he almost murders the elderly headsman for refusing them. when the heroes attack the gang to take him down, he abandons his dragon to run.

Probably needs a rewrite, any comments?

Magua of Last Of The Mohicans counts in neither the film nor the book. Magua had his life destroyed by alcohol, and was run out of his own tribe becaue of his drinking problem. He's the seen the British and the French use the Iriquois and Huron as pawns in their war and is furious about that, and wants both sides gone. He's also got it in for Munroe for a variety of reasons, most notably Munroe having Magua whipped, flogged, and publicly humiliated for his drinking—a problem that Magua wouldn't have if the British and French hadn't introduced the natives to alcohol in the first place.

The film in particular tries its best to make you hate Magua, but in the end it's hard not to sympathise with his position, even if only a little bit.

Seems good (happens infiltrates though?).

EDIT: After I do DC/Vertigo next weekend, I'll go through all the comics and see which ones seem WallOfTexty or otherwise needing a better writeup.

edited 3rd Mar '13 11:16:18 AM by ACW

The Manchurian Candidate

• Complete Monster: Eleanor Iselin! This woman is a fascist who emotionally (and it's implied, sexually) abuses her own son, destroys his relationships and has him brainwashed to kill all of her husband's political opponents. She also has the only woman he loved killed to prevent him from forming any relationships that would break her power over him.
  • Eleanor was sexually abused by her own father so he counts as well.

Hmm... she seems to have a legit Freudian Excuse.

Also, has there been a consensus for the Emperor Carter from the Family Guy Star Wars parody?

A question on the Manchurian Candidate example- is this applying for book or film?- I never read the book in its entirety, but I think that description is more true of the novel than the film. In either case, she definitely loves her son I would think, albeit in a very twisted way.

If regular Carter doesn't count, don't think Emperor Carter can.

If somebody could provide a better write-up for Zaroff? I've gone and cut all the lit examples I mentioned that were either zero context, or fail baseline heinousness.

EDIT: Speaking of literature, should we lock the subpage for Redwall? I've already had to cut Cheesethief and Malkariss for a second time after they were voted off the list.

EDIT: I knew this was going to happen. Someone added this to the YMMV for DBZ Abridged.

• Complete Monster:
  • Freeza. The fact he's polite and composed doesn't change it. If anything, it makes him even more disturbing. Just listen to "My favorite things."
    • Peaceful young races with fires on their houses / millions of voices all silenced like mouses / watching the cowards bow to their new king / these are a few of my favorite things.
  • Medamatcha from Lord Slug Abridged, "I'm going to kill Christmas!, and then my Mini Matchas are going to rape it!".

Medamatcha does not count. Even if you could what he said seriously (in fairness, he thinks Christmas is a person/animal, not a holiday), he's outweighed in heinousness by Lord Slug, as well as Frieza, Vegeta, Cooler, and the other villains of the series.

As for Freiza...he was discussed before, though I don't recall exactly how the vote turned out. At the time I maintained, and still do, that an Abridged series can have a monster if that monster is played straight, or is even Laughably Evil, instead of Played for Laughs. That's definitely the case with Frieza (and his brother, Cooler, in the abridged version of Revenge of Cooler) who is played a deadly serious threat that just happens to possess a sense of humour. That being said though, there's a much better reason to cut him—Frieza has two Pet the Dog moments. During the first part of his battle with Goku who admits to missing Zarbon. Also, while fighting Vegeta, he thinks about how he should break the news of the Ginyu Forces' deaths to their families, and whether some sort of gift would make it easier on them. He also seems to genuinely like Ginyu. With that in mind, cut for not being totally evil.

edited 3rd Mar '13 12:16:34 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Fixed the grammar and moved Fujii to the page.

For The Walking Dead, Nagan and maybe Thomas need more context; same deadline for Dredd and Sonic (when I wake up tomorrow).

Working on DC/Vertigo now; does Cheshire count for Secret Six or Teen Titans?

Or Pauly Bruckner for The Unwritten?

edited 3rd Mar '13 1:57:12 PM by ACW

Here's a draft write-up for Zaroff- apologies for length:

• General Zaroff from The Most Dangerous Game is a Social Darwinist serial killer hiding behind a veneer of civilization. Bored with being a Great White Hunter, he has taken up residence on a hidden island, in which he maroons sailors so that he can hunt them for his amusement. While Zaroff prides himself on being a sportsman and gentleman and prefers a challenge, he has no qualms about "hunting" the weak. Nor does he really play fair in the slightest. Anyone he captures who isn't interested in "playing" is turned over to his servant, a former knouter for the Tsar until they are willing, and while he initially starts on a fairly even footing with his prey, he ultimately uses a pack of vicious hounds against more illusive prey. Cementing the Morton's Fork nature of the game for his victims, Zaroff is noncommital as to whether he would actually let anyone go who survived unless they were willing to keep quiet about his crimes.

edited 3rd Mar '13 1:57:12 PM by Hodor

I'm just going to say it now: if you consider a parody of a song from The Sound of Music to be a compelling reason why a character fits this trope, you really don't get what it's supposed to be.

Huh?

The Frieza thing.

Found this on Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2012)

• Captain Ryan, of Leo's favorite show, Space Heroes, is either this or Heroic Comedic Sociopath. He constantly slaps his men, killed a hoard of innocent, if annoying, small furry animals by blowing them out an airlock into space, and killed a villainess through disintegration, but he kept her still smoking boots "to remember her by." He's also completely apathetic towards the deaths of his crew members.
  • The slapping is justified since it's his way of helping them calm down and he did slap himself on one occassion.

I think he counts, he deserves a position of honor among such other candidates like Claude Frollo and Johan Liebert.

He's like a poorly animated Captain Kirk Expy, only so much worse!

He's a sick man, when finding a bunch of cute furry creatures, he throws them out the airlock, with no regard for his crew because they annoy him.

When he finds a hot alien he falls in love with, she reveals herself as an enemy and kills her with no remorse

He and two redshirts go down to a planet and they both die he didn't care enough to even remember one of their names!

When one of his officers is mind controlled, he opts to shoot him.

Finally, he's a dick when anyone, an I mean ANYONE gets out of line, does he reason, no he just SLAPS THEM IN THE FACE! He even does it himself.

This guy deserves his marking.

Also, occassion is not how one spells it.

Quick question, did I need the Sarcasm Mode Pot Hole?

I was going to bring him up when the show's season ended, along with the rest of the examples, which are bad, but not as bad, but I was just compelled to bring this guy here. For the previous sentence, I deemed Sincerity Mode Pot Hole unnecessary.

edited 3rd Mar '13 2:05:33 PM by DrPsyche

I'd say cut Cheshire btw. She loves her daughter except when Gail Simone is writing.