Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

One look at his character page would answer that. Momonga and all of his followers genuinely care about one another. Even Demiurge and Shalltear, the most depraved of the lot, genuinely care about their master and are loyal to a fault.

Ah, here. It'd be good if someone put which characters were where
And I'm STILL waiting for more feedback on the revamped Batman, Superman, DC pages; along with the names.

edited 4th Oct '15 2:59:16 PM by ACW

to Torbalan and Stauf.

It looks like somebody added a Complete Monster entry to Undertale's YMMV page again. The current version is better than the version that was deleted a week ago (it only includes the Fallen Child, who probably qualifies if he's not considered a Generic Doomsday Villain), but likely would benefit from somebody doing an actual write up.

Going by her resources and considering what the work was able to get away with, was Clementine as bad as she could have been? Could they have made her worse if they wanted to (ie, making her a rapist or having her eat babies)? Is there anyone worse than her with a number of resources not surpassing hers?

A slight rewrite for Matthew Shrieve from Arrow:

• General Matthew Shrieve, the Big Bad of the flashback sequences during season 3, initially appears in The Return" as a reasonable and helpful man, who frees Oliver Queen and the Yamashiros from A.R.G.U.S services, after they stop the Omega virus from being sold on the Black Market. However in "Nanda Parbat", he takes the virus for himself, before usurping Amanda Waller as head of A.R.G.U.S, and sending a squad of soldiers to attack Oliver and the Yamashiros, including young Akio. In "The Fallen" we see that Shrieve sees China as an economic threat, so he plans to release the virus onto the public, and so distributes more of the virus, under the pretense that it's a vaccine. Akio is infected in "This is Your Sword", so Oliver and Maseo confront Shrieve for a possible cure. Shrieve personally gives them the medicine before revealing that it was insulin for his diabetes and it was a ruse to get them killed.

edited 4th Oct '15 5:01:00 PM by randomtroper89

Did we ever talk about Genesis Rhapsody from Final Fantasy VII Crisis Core? I don't remember him being insane or having an excuse like Sephiroth and doing some pretty horrible things. The question is, does he stack up with Hojo? From what I remember of the game, I think he stands out being responsible for pretty much everything Hojo and Sephiroth aren't (having a part in the Nibelheim burning, being indirectly responsible for Sephiroth's meltdown, killing Angeal and I think Zack too among other things). If he did actually do all this, would he be a consideration? Or does he have an excuse I'm not thinking of.

edited 4th Oct '15 10:03:46 PM by Klavice

Effortpost?

I would, but I want to know if we've talked about him before. If we have, I'm wasting my time.

Okay, really, are you even trying to take this thread seriously anymore? Because that sort of "he's evil but even worse he's OBNOXIOUS" thing is something we've been actively trying to get rid of for, like, probably as long as it's been around.

I may not be one to talk, given what happened with Higuchi, but I assume he'd be easy to search for. If you did search, and didn't mention it, never mind.

I am actually. Just because 90% of my proposals get shot down doesn't mean I'll propose just anybody. I only brought that up because people hate him to no end because of it. Keep in mind I did propose examples that got added (Zant, Metal Face, and Dickson to name a few). Just because I'm not serious and edgy all the time, doesn't mean I don't take this cleanup seriously.

I'm only proposing examples because I care. Not because I'm a troll or any of that shit. If I weren't taking this seriously, I'd propose, I dunno... the Devil from the Bible or something. Or a character from the Simpsons like Dark Stanley or Sideshow Bob.

Calm down. I hate it when people are extremely uptight.

edited 4th Oct '15 10:05:21 PM by Klavice

It just feels like people keep having to explain these things over and over. It really shouldn't be necessary to tell someone who's participated in this thread as long as you have that, for instance, whether people think a character is annoying isn't really relevant.

edited 5th Oct '15 9:54:20 PM by AustinDR

I have two examples from the extremely lighthearted sitcom Diffrent Strokes that I would like to bring up. It's worth noting that despite the nature and age rating of the series that these two characters episodes are considered the most controversial and terrifying the series has ever got. First up...

Mr. Horton

Who is he, and what does he do? - Mr. Horton is a bicycle shop owner who agrees to give the 11-year old protagonist Arnold a free radio to go with the bike his father bought for him if he sends out flyers to promote his bicycle shop. Arnold manages to get a lot of the people from his school to go to the Bike Shop with help from his friend, Dudley. Afterward Arnold goes back to the Bicycle Shop to report the good news to Horton once there Horton makes Arnold a banana split at which point Arnold tells him that his friend Dudley helped him and also wants a free radio. Horton replies that he should bring Dudley to the shop tomorrow so they can discuss it.

When they come back to the shop the next day, Horton takes a porn magazine out from the sofa in the back of the shop and puts it on the table leaving it where Arnold and Dudley can find when he invites them to go in the back. After telling Horton about what they saw he convinces them that their is nothing wrong with being naked and showing your body. He then goes on to show them pictures of kids he went skinny dipping with. He then gives them Wine, and convinces them to play Tarzan telling Dudley to take his shirt off for it.

When they come back the next day, he shows them erotic cartoons causing Arnold to leave the shop. However, when Dudley stays Horton drugs him and attempts to have his way with him but is stopped by the cops right before he could do it after Arnold told his dad everything Horton had done to them while in the shop. After being arrested the police claim that they found pictures of other kids he's molested.

Freudian Excuse or Redeeming Qualities? - None.

Is he played seriously? - Yep. The episode was meant to give a message about child molestation to friends and family.

Heinous Standard? - Undeniably passes, what with him being a child molester in a Sugar Bowl. The only character that might match him is the other character i'm about to bring up.

Bill

Who is he and what does he do? - Bill is a man who Arnold and his 18 year old sister Kimberly take a ride from while hitchhiking to their house to make in time for their dad's birthday party. He takes them to his apartment where he tries to take a sketch of Kimberly and locks Arnold in the room while Arnold is watching space movies. When Kimberly requests to leave so she can make it to the party Bill gets aggressive and locks her in the closet. When Arnold finishes the movie and discovers the door's locked he starts knocking on it at which point Bill opens the door and threatens to hurt his sister if he doesn't stay calm. He then ducktapes his arms, legs, and mouth shut and makes his intentions clear to him that he does not intend to let them go.

He then lets Kimberly out of the closet and into the room to show her that Arnold's alright and explains to her that he only tied him up for his safety when really he did it to keep him from shouting. He then goes on to force her to dance with him. Arnold manages to get the ducktape off by cutting through it with the sharp endings of a tape. Once free, he breaks the glass of the window and escapes. After he escapes, he takes a cop to where he lives and they use hypnosis on him to find Bill's car plate number and tracks it to where he lives. At which point Bill has already left with Kimberly to some where. His landlord then shows up and tells them how he has a storage room where he takes snapshots at. We see Bill having Kimberly pinned on the bed of the storage room intending to rape her just before her dad and the cops show up in the nick of time and arrest him. Like Horton, the police find that he's done this to other women which convinces her to press charges.

Freudian Excuse or Redeeming Qualities? - He claims that he gets mistreated at work, that they badmouth him and pass him over for promotions, but I don't see how that's an excuse to rape people.

Is he played seriously? - Yes. Like the other example he's meant to give out a message, this time of hitchhiking.

Okay, I'd like to ask that a character from an RP I participate in be evaluated to be included as a Complete Monster.

This RP, Roleplay/TURNINGCOLORS, is a Code Geass RP. Just for background.

The character in question is Mr. Aside also known as Eternal Ashes. Product of an EU State Sec group's attempt at modified humans, even the amoral chessmaster villain Markos Alkhait did not like how Aside turned out. Aside longs for chaos and destruction, and believes such states are the natural way the world should be, not "coddled" by Markos' Order. For this end, he has shown willingness to slaughter and destroy anything standing between him and what he wants. He attacked Ashford Academy while classes were going to kidnap someone he needed for his weapons.

He has shown utterly no remorse for anyone killed by him, and in fact speaks poorly of these people. He calls one person he killed a "coward" for running away from a war. He exults in the thought that the Black Rebellion might cause a breakdown of Japanese cultural values, because he thinks cultural values themselves impede human "freedom".

Aside has betrayed, killed and stolen to obtain the pieces for his Tachyon series of Knightmares. He blatantly values the pieces and the resulting Tachyon more than any human life. He bombed the hell out of the countryside and sprung a minor series of revolts just to cover his tracks.

Backstory Wise, Aside has worked for numerous governments facing Britannia, taking exorbitant prices for his services and never staying around once the cause looks lost. He pockets everything he can get and just tells whole countries You Have Outlived Your Usefulness. Any time he offered to help someone, it was always to improve his own situation, and never for anyone else's good.

Freudian Excuse: He wasn't intended to be this way. Otherwise, aside from fault in creation, he has no reason at all for why he's doing any of this aside from thinking chaos is better than order.

Personality wise, he is utterly cold and detached seeming, often claiming he feels no emotion at all, though as time went on, he became much more clearly emotive. He is always somewhat smug and insured of his own ability, though to his credit he is a disturbed genius.

Heinous Scale?: There are many morally dark characters in Code Geass. Most of them look upon Aside as a horrifying lunatic.

Is he played seriously?: To my knowledge there has not been a single comedic Aside scene yet.

edited 5th Oct '15 1:00:54 AM by NickTheSwing

Definite to Mr Horton. He's a child molester sure, but he's far from a monster. It'd be like having Drowzee from Pokémon Mystery Dungeon Explorers qualifying. He's a criminal but he doesn't meet the heinous standard. Sure he's dark for a family show but not complete monster worthy. The other guy looks the same only he's doing it with someone who is the age of consent so it's not pedophilia and it's legal. It'd be like someone doing it with me, as bad as sexual harassment is. It's hardly CM material.

Maybe if he did more than molest them like try to kill the children if they tried to tell their parents but judging from your description of both men, I'm sticking with my gut here.

edited 5th Oct '15 1:41:52 AM by Klavice

I don't know about you, but I find child molestation to be horrifying just as bad as attempted murder. You are basically taking a child's innocence and traumatizing them.

As for Bill. While he might be doing it to someone older the actions generally go beyond molestation, to the point I would call it rape or at least close enough to rape (pinning someone on a bed and getting on top of them).

Do those things make them bad people? Yes. Do they rise to the level of heinousness needed for Complete Monster? Almost certainly not.

Okay, I've finished the games I got last month so I guess I'll do some effort posts for the three of them. Wall of Text incoming.

First up; Skull Face from Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain.

Who is Skull Face and what does he do?

Skull Face is the commander of XOF, a black ops group working for CIPHER, an organization created by Major Zero to bring about a united world by means of information control. He was previously raised for his actions in ‘’Ground Zeroes’’ but was disqualified because that game was a prologue and there was not enough there to warrant a discussion. By the time of the Phantom Pain nine years later he has usurped Zero and is effectively the head of the organization, as Zero’s secretive nature meant few realized he had gone.

His first actions in the game are to send assassins and armed soldiers to kill Snake, the protagonist of the game who was put into a coma at the end of ‘’Ground Zeroes’’ and has only just woken up. To ensure that XOF is not tied to the event and Snake’s death the soldiers kill everyone they come across, with a on screen body count of several dozen patients, doctors and nurses with more implied by the size of the hospital.

When that fails he makes two more attempts to kill Snake in Afghanistan which both fail, and the plot goes to Africa where CIPHER is conducting research into a weapon to surpass Metal Gear (a Bipedal tank capable of navigating over terrain by itself and launched a nuclear attack anywhere in the world, effectively circumventing MAD by hiding who fired the first shot). This weapon turns out to be Vocal Cord Parasites, which are breed to start reproducing in the lungs of its victims when they hear specific languages spoken. The testing facility is shown as a warehouse filled with dozens of victims tied down to beds with headphones surgically implanted into their vocal cords blasting out whatever language the parasites were to be programmed with, all while the victims are conscious and in one case begging for death.

At the same time Snake and co. discover a shipment of metallic ore surrounding a small amount of yellowcake guarded by XOF’s shock troops the Skull unit. When Snake rescues Code Talker, a scientist forced to use his research on the vocal cord parasite to aid in Skull Face’s plans, he learns that the parasites were intended as ethnic cleansers to selectively kill off groups hostile to his goals, allowing English to become the dominate language on the planet. Code Talker was also forced to work on the metallic archa, which is basically a wonder compound that can rapidly rust metal to the breaking point in seconds and can both enrich the small amounts of yellowcake to create a viable nuclear weapon and to cancel out the fission process to prevent said nukes from detonating. Skull Face’s plan is to sell these nuclear weapons to every small nation, private company and terrorist cell and gut the superpower’s domination by giving everyone nukes. And if anyone were to try using one Skull Face would stop it remotely, effectively gaining complete control over the world’s nuclear stockpile.

This being Metal Gear, there is one more twist where Skull Face has developed an English strain of the vocal cord parasite and is planning to unleash it on the entire world to remove the current Linga Franca, intending to replace English with “the language of deterrence” and bring about world peace by eliminating a common language between nations and using the threat of nuclear war to ensure no wars could be brought. His plans fail and he gets killed off, with all traces erased from the history books.

The backstory tapes reveal several more crimes; He held Code Talker prisoner to continue his research and asked him if there was a way to stop a host infected by a strain of the vocal cord parasites from dying should he speak that language. Code Talker lied and claimed there was no way, to which Skull Face responded by setting up a situation where every time he rang a bell one of his soldiers would send an order to infect one of Code Talker’s tribe with the English strain of the vocal cord parasite, dooming them to a painful death if they ever abandoned Navajo. After ringing the bell several times to Code Talker’s anguish he gets told that radiation could stop the parasites, but only at the right frequency. To thank him for that Skull Face throws the bell down a flight of stairs where it rings several dozen times on the way down, and sticks around long enough to make sure Code Talker has time to suffer before casually revealing that there never was any guard sending orders to begin with. Another tape revealed that the deal he made with Paz in the previous game to spare Snake’s life in exchange for Zero’s location was all a lie, and he makes sure to tell her as such before having several of her internal organs removed, a bomb implanted where they were and a second bomb hidden inside her vagina to ensure that one wouldn’t be found.

The final tape involving him shows [[spoiler: His betrayal of Zero, where he gave him a pin that had belonged to a friend who died in World War II and he had given to The Boss (Snake’s mentor and whose dreams of a united world inspired the creation of CIPHER). The pin was poisoned with a parasite that brought about an early onset of dementia followed by effective brain death, all while Skull Face explained how he was going to take over CIPHER and bring about his own vision of world peace. His parting words was to inform him that the pin he gave was actually a fake and that he’d be keeping the real one.

Does he stand out?

Whilst he has some stiff competition with Sundowner and Volgin in terms of sheer sadism, Skull Face’s plan if successfully implemented would have resulted in much higher death toll than any other villains plans (not counting Hot Coldman’s who if it had gone as intended would have resulted in a few hundred to a few thousand deaths at most and ensured no nuclear holocaust could occur). He also has much more resources as his disposal.

Redeeming Features?

As a child Skull Face was burned in a bombing run on his home village, lost his entire family, was taken from his elders and forced to abandon his mother tongue as he was moved from post to post and made to speak different languages which shaped his worldview. As such he is incredibly sensitive to CIPHER’s plan of using language to control the world’s population which is what triggers his own plots. He notes that he has nothing personal against Snake and Zero and respects both men, but that he has to kill both because they would get in his way otherwise. He also truly believes that his plan will bring about a peaceful and united world where all men are free from the control of CIPHER.

Closing Thoughts

It’s a tough one, but I vote no for Skull Face as he just edges into Well-Intentioned Extremist territory, even if he is otherwise an absolute monster.

And the other game I spent the last month playing was Danganronpa: Absolute Despair Girls. And suprisingly, Junko Enoshima was not present in flesh (since this takes place after her death in one and the flashbacks with her don’t really feature her beyond her being present in them and other characters talking about her) or in AI form ( technically the AI was there split into two pieces, but both pieces only have a minimal influence on the plot). The closest thing to a candidate is Monaka, so here is a writeup for her:

Who is Monaka and what has she done?

Monaka is a wheelchair-bound young elementary school girl, also known as ‘Lil Ultimate Homeroom, is a member of the Warriors of Hope, a group of five elementary school children who were part of an elementary school with ties to Hope Peak Academy (basically a super-prestigious school where the only students were those scouted because they were the best at what they did, I.E the Ultimate Baseball Star, the Ultimate Chef, the Ultimate Pop Idol etc., and also the location of the first game). The children, who have all legitimately suffered horrific childhood abuses, stage an uprising in the game’s setting of Towa City, unleashing hordes of Monokuma robots to kill all the adults, and recruiting the child population of the island to their cause (called the Monokuma kids because of the Monokuma helmets all of them are wearing). The Warriors of Hope goal is to eliminate all the “Demons” (all adults, who in their minds have done nothing but hurt and abused children) and establish a paradise “of children, by children, for children.”

Despite not being the leader of the group, it’s soon clear that Monaka is the heart of the group, being the one to originally inspire the group to bring about the Children’s Paradise, the one the other warriors try to keep happy and ultimately the one who can call the shots. Initially she shows a sweet and friendly demeanor, but as the game progresses she shows a much more manipulative side, preventing Nagisa (the brains of the group) from investigating Masaru’s (the original leader) disappearance after his boss fight by saying he’s obviously dead (hiding the fact that the Monokuma kids grabbed him after his defeat and appeared to have beaten him to death – later revealed to not be so fatal) and implying that his ideas to go look into it are the mark of an adult, accidentally triggering the group’s fighter Kotoko’s flashbacks of her sexual abuse and then snapping her out of it by repeatedly punching her in the face, and manipulating Nagisa’s crush on her by forcibly kissing him despite his protests and eventual violence to try (and fail) to get her to back off as well as playing on his need to meet everybody’s expectations to get him to do her bidding.

It turns out that all of the Warriors of Hope were originally in the same class at their elementary school because they were considered problem students, and all bonded over their mutual abuse at the hands of adults (Monaka being put in a wheelchair by her own family, Masaru being beaten by his alcoholic father, Jatarou being point blank told by his father that he wished he would die so he could have a free life again and his mother forcing him to wear a mask 24/7 and telling him that he was hideously ugly, and Kotoko being prostituted out by her mother and father to further her acting career) and eventually entered into a suicide pact to escape the torment by jumping off the roof of their school. At this point Junko Enoshima came kidnapped/abducted/rescued the group and started indoctrinating them into her belief of Despair as the greatest truth. When Junko died at the end of the first game Monaka suggested the children’s paradise to honour her memory and bring about the kind of world Junko wanted.

In reality, everything Monaka told them was a lie. Monaka was never crippled and could easily move around without her wheelchair. She never had any intention of creating a children’s paradise nor any care for the other members of the group or the children they were supposed to save. She never intended to commit suicide on the roof and convinced them all of it to pass the time, although at least she wasn’t going to make them jump without her. Her real intention was to create a successor to Junko to carry on as the Ultimate Despair and continue her work in continuing the tragedy that had devastated the world. All the monokuma kids weren’t volunteers but were being brainwashed by their helmets into murdering their own parents and then all the adults.

Her ultimate plan is appropriately horrifying: She chose the game’s protagonist Komaru Naegi (younger sister of the first game’s protagonist Makoto) as her subject, manipulating events so she would survive, rally the surviving adults to fight back and become their symbol of hope, defeat Monaka and take the controller she was using to control all the Monokumas. The goal was to trick Komaru into breaking the controller, as it also functioned as a dead man’s switch to explosives hidden in the helmets all the Monokuma kids were wearing, wiping out the entire children population of the island. Because the company that ran the island (Towa Group) had ties to the Ultimate Despair (Monaka as the Chief Executive of the robotics branch – yes I know she’s not even ten but she’s a Child Prodigy just roll with it – was mass producing Monokuma’s for Junko to carry out her plots and blackmailed/legitimately convinced her father to go along with) when the Future Foundation (the group that formed to combat the Ultimate Despair) finds out they would assume that the Towa Group intentionally murdered all the children to further despair and start a war with them, taking the two groups best suited to stopping the tragedy and locking them into a war that would ultimately further Junko’s goals. This would also make Komaru the successor to Junko, as being both the sister of the Ultimate Hope who got Junko killed and the symbol of hope to the Towa City adults the corruption of all of Komaru’s hope into despair would represent a victory for Despair.

And when Komaru refuses after multiple attempts to get her to break the remote, Monaka reveals that she had Komaru’s parents tortured, killed and their corpses displayed, taking time out to point out her mother’s dying message and making sure to rub their deaths in her face. This pushes Komaru over the edge into trying to break the controller, but through the efforts of the game’s other protagonist Toko the controller doesn’t break, the children don’t die, Komaru snaps out of despair and defeats the final boss. Monaka is left for dead by everyone, but is revealed to have been rescued by a returning character from the second game who promises to help mold her into a more worthy successor to Junko, with the epilogue slides revealing that she’s started to style her hair like Junko’s.

Does she stand out?

That’s the tricky question. In terms of onscreen deaths she’d share the blame with the four other Warriors of Hope, all of whom are onboard with killing all the adults for their own reasons. In terms of attitude while she is the worst in the game, her own brother is just as bad as she is. He’s physically abusive to her in the game (somewhat justifiable as she had been responsible for murdering their father) with the hint that this stretched back before the game started and doesn’t believe her threat that destroying the controller would kill all the monokuma kids, but at the end when pushed says he doesn’t care if they all die and had previously expressed his desire to murder them all. Please note this is also after he had been informed all of them were brainwashed victims.

Redeeming Features/Freudian Excuses

Freudian Excuses is a yes. Although her injury was faked, her childhood really was terrible. Her mother was her father’s mistress who dumped her on him. Her father took her in but vocally held the view that she should just be grateful he didn’t drop her off at an orphanage and emotionally neglected her. Her brother was just as bad on top of the implied physical abuse, so when she faked her injury the two of them stopped being so bad to her. It is rather telling though that they both completely bought the idea that they had crippled her through their abuse. Even when the worst of it stopped it was still not a healthy environment for a child to grow up with and explains why she’s so emotionally manipulative and detached. Plus, she was practically adopted by Junko who is a massive corrupting influence on otherwise decent people as seen with the cast of the second game.

Redeeming Features is potentially a yes. She sincerely adores Junko, who is her one real emotional connection. Everything she does in ADG is to further Junko’s vision and when her father stopped supporting the Ultimate Despair after Junko’s death Monaka took it as the biggest sleight that he betrayed Junko’s ideals. She also has a secret room filled to the brim with photos of Junko, with the one picture of Monaka and Junko together held in special significance and the obligatory gigantic photo about the bed.

Final Thoughts

I’ll also give a thumbs down to this one, believing that there’s enough redeeming features and heinousness issues to keep her from counting.

edited 5th Oct '15 5:30:42 AM by Shaoken

Huh, didn't think Skull Face could be a WIE; his Freudian Excuse for me was always the sticking point.

Oh, just realized something. So, I was confusing that Overlord eries with what I think is called Overfiend- it's mimetic for originating the concept of tentacle rape.

I was under the misapprehension that this was like a semi cleaned up version of that.

I still think the protagonist is Stuish, but am now considering the work with less contempt.

Oddly, there's a western video game called Overlord with sort of same premise. Is it an adaptation of that?

edited 5th Oct '15 6:29:46 AM by Hodor2

I'll echo my points from before and any new villain from MGS 5.

Also, Austin, I specifically included a little point in book!Other Mother's writeup that detailed the very few extra crimes of her movie version specifically so we didn't have to go through the hassle of making a separate writeup for each. Honestly, it's rather pointless, as the two versions of the characters are otherwise so identical that the writeup can logically serve both characters (with that little point to signify the extra crimes of the movie version).

On the Other Mother, actually, I'd like to touch up the original write-up myself so it looks better in general:

Coraline: The Beldam from both the book and movie, or the Other Mother, is a wicked temptress who lures children into her otherworldly lair with the promise of a better life. The Other Mother spoils them and subtly draws them more and more into the world, eventually convincing them to sew buttons onto their eyes to stay in her realm forever. Once they do, however, she murders them and locks away their souls so as to replenish her energy. She has repeated the process with three children, (in the movie, this includes the sister of the owner of the apartment the gateway between worlds is in), and tries to do the same to the titular Coraline. Upon her defiance, the Other Mother kidnaps her parents and forces her into a horrifying game of finding the dead children's eyes. She also casually disfigures her own servants when they resist her, turning the Other Father into an abominated slug. The Other Mother also claims she killed her own mother, as well. Once Coraline wins the eyes, the Other Mother still attempts to catch her, and sends her severed hand into the real world to pursue Coraline once she escapes her clutches. The Other Mother is one of the most twisted villains in children's literature and stands as a prime example of being careful what you wish for.

edited 5th Oct '15 3:10:36 PM by Scraggle

@45332 Despite Skullface meeting the heinous standard, if he wasn't truly a Well-Intentioned Extremist he definitely would've counted. Otherwise he's a for me.

So from what I've learned from other examples there's a difference between Even Evil Has Loved Ones and "Don't touch my property". The latter is usually a characteristic of a CM. The villain doesn't have to show love for a dead person close to him to be a CM right ?

Some (in)famous examples:

• Zakhaev to his son's death: propagandistic speech or either a personal affront.

• Ronan to his ancestors: matter of pride, fanatism, or simply a pretext.

• Volgin to Ivan: possessiveness. He appears more pissed off than sad. Also, he get over it quite soon.

• Fayed to his brother: like Zakhaev, a personal affront or a matter of honor. When he talks to Jack about his brother sounds more like he's taunting him.

Am I right ?