Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

Nope. According to the Cinema Snob, he blows up the building, kills the whole news crew and the swat team, and escapes to continue his crusade elsewhere.

So exactly like the first film? There's not much to add then.

I HOPE to finish Anime And Manga Subpages tomorrow (BTW, Millennniummon and Kurata have sub-bullets, which probably shouldn't be).
Can I cut the Blue Bloods examples for now from Complete Monster Live Action TV? City Homicide is being looked at, and here are research links for the others?

The Dalek Time Controller from Big Finish Doctor Who qualified.

I was told I could make a suggestion for Complete Monster here.

If this qualifies, it should go in Tabletop Games, under Greyhawk:

• Of course, one being who fought Iuz in a battle of Evil Versus Evil and won was quite likely the most notorious villain ever to grace the face of Oerth: Vecna. ^note It happened in the epic adventure module Die Vecna, Die! Even before becoming the God of Secrets and Lichdom, Vecna's evil as a mortal man was said to be without limit. To give one confirmed example of the atrocities her committed as a living man: When his armies were besieging the city of Fleeth, the officials begged for their lives, offering the whole city and their wealth in exchange for mercy. When Vecna wasn't satisfied with that offer, they offered their own lives. Vecna considered this, and gave one of them, Artau, and his family, to his lieutenant Kas, who tortured them to death in front of the other officials in an ordeal that lasted a day. Vecna then said he was still unsatisfied, and had every citizen in the city slaughtered except the remaining officials, forcing them to watch as he did, then had every victims' head stacked, with those belonging to the friends and families of the officials prominent. He never killed the surviving officials, claiming he was satisfied now, and allowed them to leave the city, saying they'd be under his protection for the rest of their lives - simply so they would live it with the horror they had seen.

While I'm here, I'd like to add that Lolth's entry on the page may violate the Offscreen Villainy part of the conditions. A lot of the information there is mythology, and happened eons before any actual campaign. (And may be subject to interpretation, seeing as it is legend.)

edited 5th Sep '14 4:40:39 PM by maedar

Vecna! At last! Though I think his entry needs other atrocities written.

For RPG Tabletops, we typically let in info if it's detailed in campaign settings, btw, because of the nature of the media.

Well, here's his entry on That Other Wiki, where I got the information above. The worst things Vecna did are only mentioned in legend, and like I said above, count as Offscreen Villainy.

Some other things that I've read in other sources, so you can add this:

Legends say that while still human, Vecna bred whole villages simply to provide him with bodies for his necromantic experiments, and that his spells created the barren desert of the Flanness. He is rumored to have tortured to death a young woman and her family for refusing to marry him, the one and only time he ever tried to claim a Queen. As a demi-god, Vecna created two horrible and powerful flesh golems that only emphasized his cruelty. The Hand, which is made entirely of hands severed from thieves and other petty criminals, and The Eye, made up of eyes forcibly plucked from the sockets of those who plotted against him.

edited 5th Sep '14 5:06:31 PM by maedar

Were they mentioned in the campaign settings?

The first examples were mentioned both in many Greyhawk sources and in his stat page in 3rd Edition Ravenloft. The part about the woman who refused to marry him was part of a mural that told his history in the module Die, Vecna Die!

The Eye and The Hand were villains in Vecna Lives! and Die, Vecna Die! where their origins were explained.

We should add it to his writeup still. It's relevant info. Vecna's up there with Ioz, easily.

Also, I edited Kurata's entry in the sandbox. One block, that's it. Millenniummon is rightfully cut.

• The November Man: Arkady Federov is a ruthless Russian military man turned politician who is running for President of Russia. In order to do so, Federov begins purging associates and witnesses of his atrocities during the Chechen War. As a commander in Chechnya, Federov was part of a False Flag Operation that killed thousands of his own soldiers so he could have an excuse to go to war. Federov killed many civilians, including the family of a surviving victim whom Federov kept as a sex toy to rape and abuse. When confronted by her in the present, he gloats 'making her a woman' is his fondest memory.

edited 5th Sep '14 7:27:03 PM by Lightysnake

Okay, how about this for a write-up:

• Of course, one being who fought Iuz in a battle of Evil Versus Evil and won was quite likely the most notorious villain ever to grace the face of Oerth: Vecna. ^note The battle happened in the epic adventure module Die Vecna, Die!
  • Even before becoming the God of Secrets and Lichdom, Vecna's evil as a mortal man was said to be without limit. While still human, legends say that while still human, Vecna bred whole villages simply to provide him with bodies for his necromantic experiments, and that his spells created the barren desert of the Flanness. He is rumored to have tortured to death a young woman and her family for refusing to marry him, the one and only time he ever tried to claim a queen.
  • After becoming a lich, one confirmed example of the atrocities her committed as a living man occurred when his armies were besieging the city of Fleeth. The city officials begged for their lives, offering the whole city and their wealth in exchange for mercy. When Vecna wasn't satisfied with that offer, they offered their own lives. Vecna considered this, and gave one of them, Artau, and his family, to his lieutenant Kas, who tortured them to death in front of the other officials in an ordeal that lasted a day. Vecna then said he was still unsatisfied, and had every citizen in the city slaughtered except the remaining officials, forcing them to watch as he did, then had every victims' head stacked, with those belonging to the friends and families of the officials prominent. He never killed the surviving officials, claiming he was satisfied then, and allowed them to leave the city, saying they'd be under his protection for the rest of their lives - simply so they would live it with the horror they had seen.
  • As a demi-god and ruler of the realm of Caviticus, Vecna created two horrible and powerful flesh golems that only emphasized his cruelty. The Hand, which was made entirely of hands severed from thieves and other petty criminals, and The Eye, made up of eyes forcibly plucked from the sockets of those who plotted against him.

Just need to compress it to one paragraph.

I had a dream about a possible candidate. Keep in mind this guy doesn't exist in any mainstream or fanwork (yet). He didn't have a name so I'm calling him Emperor Emptiness.

Basically, he's a demon who teleports between different fictional universes, rapes and kills the inhabitants, and tries to erase their universe from existence. In my dream, he raped Link and Zelda from The Legend of Zelda and killed both of them. Then he erased the universe from existence. I then had to rebuild the universe myself by collecting remains of it scattered throughout the world with the help of the MLP ponies and other fictional heroes. Sometimes he would simply destroy a universe, but not kill the inhabitants. For example the ponies lost their home world but they weren't killed. They were raped though.

If he were a real villain in a crossover fic, would he qualify? I might write this kind of fic just to troll the fans.

Outstanding issues:

• Lighty, I think you can do a writeup for Federov.
• What was the final decision on the Are You Afraid of the Dark? characters?
• Ditto for WHTTMOT!Mxy?

Run on paragraphs are bad, but there's GOTTA be a way to condense that.

edited 6th Sep '14 2:04:42 AM by ACW

Okay, much as I hate run-on paragraphs...

• Of course, one being who fought Iuz in a battle of Evil Versus Evil and won was quite likely the most notorious villain ever to grace the face of Oerth: Vecna. ^note The battle happened in the epic adventure module Die Vecna, Die! Even before becoming the God of Secrets and Lichdom, Vecna's evil as a mortal man was said to be without limit and stories of his atrocities could fill volumes of texts. Legends say that Vecna bred whole villages simply to provide him with bodies for his necromantic experiments, and that his spells created the barren desert of the Flanness. He is rumored to have tortured to death a young woman and her family for refusing to marry him, the one and only time he ever tried to claim a queen. After becoming a lich, one confirmed example of the atrocities her committed as a living man occurred when his armies were besieging the city of Fleeth. The city officials begged for their lives, offering the whole city and their wealth in exchange for mercy. When Vecna wasn't satisfied with that offer, they offered their own lives. Vecna considered this, and gave one of them, Artau, and his family, to his lieutenant Kas, who tortured them to death in front of the other officials in an ordeal that lasted a day. Vecna then said he was still unsatisfied, and had every citizen in the city slaughtered except the remaining officials, forcing them to watch as he did, then had every victims' head stacked, with those belonging to the friends and families of the officials prominent. He never killed the surviving officials, claiming he was satisfied then, and allowed them to leave the city, saying they'd be under his protection for the rest of their lives - simply so they would live it with the horror they had seen. Becoming a demi-god and ruler of the realm of Caviticus didn't change much; to aid him, Vecna created two horrible and powerful flesh golems that only emphasized his cruelty. The Hand, which was made entirely of hands severed from thieves and other petty criminals, and The Eye, made up of eyes forcibly plucked from the sockets of those who plotted against him.

@ACW: We voted cut on the Are You Afraid Of The Dark characters either for being too comical or not heinous enough.

Including Margot? :(

• The November Man: In this film, based on the seventh book (There Are No Spies) of Bill Granger's series, Arkady Federov is a ruthless Russian military man turned politician who is running for President of Russia. In order to do so, Federov begins purging associates and witnesses of his atrocities during the Chechen War. As a commander in Chechnya, Federov was part of a False Flag Operation that killed thousands of his own soldiers so he could have an excuse to go to war and profit from an oil pipeline. Federov killed many civilians, including the family of a surviving victim whom Federov kept as a sex toy to rape and abuse. When confronted by her in the present, he gloats "making her a woman" is his fondest memory.

edited 6th Sep '14 2:12:53 AM by ACW

I did a rewrite for Sons of Anarchy's Jimmy O'Phelan to cut down on all the exposition.

• James "Jimmy O" O'Phelan, season 3's Big Bad (he also appears near the end of season 2), is a member of the True IRA, a Northern Irish terrorist organization and criminal syndicate mainly involved in gun running. O'Phelan previously ran current SAMCRO member Chibs out of the IRA and stole Chibs's wife and daughter (Fiona and Kerianne), years later threatening to dump Fiona and marry Kerianne next to Chibs's face. He goes rogue in the third season after receiving a demotion back in Ireland. He tries to kill all of SAMCRO and SAMBEL in an explosion, and after his family escapes his wrath he kills an IRA member in a failed attempt to get them back before torturing and executing another one to find Jax Teller's kidnapped baby son Abel. He murders the adoptive family Abel was placed with and takes the child to ensure his escape to the States, before exchanging him for another hostage whom he later kills. Aside from his bodycount, O'Phelan stands out among the show's many gangsters in that he has no real loved ones ^note He tells Chibs to "take care of our girls," but he may just be trying to taunt Chibs and rob him of the pleasure of killing him., shows no remorse for any of his crimes, and only ever displays purely selfish motives.

RE: Bill Williamson: I'd favor at least a slight expansion just to mention his new rampage in the sequel. Maybe forenperser can do that if and when he's seen the film. It's just bizarre how Boll, either through ineptitude or because he's being intentionally offensive, gives this character some arguments this time around that are on themselves not really objectionable (a really extreme example of Jerkass Has a Point, since he apparently rails against such topics as about how governmental corruption, institutional racism, and lack of social mobility are bad), but the rest of his character (shooting people at random, advocating total anarchy, advising mass murder against upper classes) just supports them as more shallow excuses from a mass murdering sicko.

@ Lightysnake: As you're most knowledgeable with the movie, do you want to rewrite the villain from Heroes Shed No Tears whom you thought counted earlier? I think we'd have to cut the Freudian Excuse from the write-up at least before it can go on the Film page.

This was how I had it previously:

• Of course, one being who fought Iuz in a battle of Evil Versus Evil and won was quite likely the most notorious villain ever to grace the face of Oerth: Vecna. ^note The battle happened in the epic adventure module Die Vecna, Die!
  • Even before becoming the God of Secrets and Lichdom, Vecna's evil as a mortal man was said to be without limit. While still human, legends say that Vecna bred whole villages simply to provide him with bodies for his necromantic experiments, and that his spells created the barren desert of the Flanness. He is rumored to have tortured to death a young woman and her family for refusing to marry him, the one and only time he ever tried to claim a queen.
  • After becoming a lich, one confirmed example of the atrocities her committed as a living man occurred when his armies were besieging the city of Fleeth. The city officials begged for their lives, offering the whole city and their wealth in exchange for mercy. When Vecna wasn't satisfied with that offer, they offered their own lives. Vecna considered this, and gave one of them, Artau, and his family, to his lieutenant Kas, who tortured them to death in front of the other officials in an ordeal that lasted a day. Vecna then said he was still unsatisfied, and had every citizen in the city slaughtered except the remaining officials, forcing them to watch as he did, then had every victims' head stacked, with those belonging to the friends and families of the officials prominent. He never killed the surviving officials, claiming he was satisfied then, and allowed them to leave the city, saying they'd be under his protection for the rest of their lives - simply so they would live it with the horror they had seen.
  • As a demi-god and ruler of the realm of Caviticus, Vecna created two horrible and powerful flesh golems that only emphasized his cruelty. The Hand, which was made entirely of hands severed from thieves and other petty criminals, and The Eye, made up of eyes forcibly plucked from the sockets of those who plotted against him.

But I was told to condense it into one paragraph. It's very hard to describe someone like Vecna in one paragraph. He's very much the "Darth Vader of Dungeons & Dragons" if you know what I mean. (Fully describing him would take an essay.)

edited 6th Sep '14 11:33:40 AM by maedar

If necessary, that would be acceptable (check out Palpatine).

to the rewrite.

edited 6th Sep '14 7:21:14 AM by ACW

@ACW I'm with you on Margot, I mean he was pretty heinous and he got the most votes out of all of them.

Also anyone against Markos and Monique from The Vampire Diaries and The Originals. I'm only asking because both shows are Black and Gray on the morality department and so far they have three 's and no 's. I added them to the discussion a couple pages back. Rmember, Markos destroyed an afterlife and saw his loyal minions as expendable, while Monique, despite her Freudian excuse became a fanatical sociopath who tried to murder a newborn baby and killed her own aunt after she struggled to have Monique resurrected.

edited 6th Sep '14 7:21:35 AM by Beast

• Even before becoming the God of Secrets and Lichdom, Vecna's evil as a mortal man was said to be without limit. While still human, legends say that while still human, Vecna bred whole villages simply to provide him with bodies for his necromantic experiments, and that his spells created the barren desert of the Flanness. He is rumored to have tortured to death a young woman and her family for refusing to marry him, the one and only time he ever tried to claim a queen. After becoming a lich, one confirmed example of the atrocities her committed as a living man occurred when his armies were besieging the city of Fleeth. The city officials begged for their lives, offering the whole city and their wealth in exchange for mercy. When Vecna wasn't satisfied with that offer, they offered their own lives. Vecna considered this, and gave one of them, Artau, and his family, to his lieutenant Kas, who tortured them to death in front of the other officials in an ordeal that lasted a day. Vecna then said he was still unsatisfied, and had every citizen in the city slaughtered except the remaining officials, forcing them to watch as he did, then had every victims' head stacked, with those belonging to the friends and families of the officials prominent. He never killed the surviving officials, claiming he was satisfied then, and allowed them to leave the city, saying they'd be under his protection for the rest of their lives - simply so they would live it with the horror they had seen. As a demi-god and ruler of the realm of Caviticus, Vecna created two horrible and powerful flesh golems that only emphasized his cruelty. The Hand, which was made entirely of hands severed from thieves and other petty criminals, and The Eye, made up of eyes forcibly plucked from the sockets of those who plotted against him.

Seeing as Vecna could probably be called the "Palpatine" of Dungeons & Dragons as well, okay.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure Vecna belongs here. Nowhere in his history has it even been suggested once that he has Hidden Depths, any sort of Freudian Excuse, or any decency whatsoever. Every story, myth, and legend about him emphasizes his sadistic and cruel nature (and above all, hunger for power, gained at the expense of others), made all the more frightening by the fact that he was once completely human. You could even say that he's worse than Tharizdun (the Omnicidal Maniac of the setting); at least he has insanity as an excuse.

edited 6th Sep '14 7:57:35 AM by maedar

Not sure about Markos, but I'm leaning on Monique (her Ungrateful Bitch murder of her aunt stands out to me, and I don't watch the show).

I'll submit Federov and the O'Phelan rewrite Monday when I wake up if there are no issues. As well as the Cited works HERE for Doc Who and Elementary..

Huh, so looking back, Dark Marik's not Made of Evil. Fascinating.

edited 6th Sep '14 11:24:15 AM by ACW

Having just finished Rampage 2, I have some doubts, but I think Bill still qualifies. He still shows the same sadistic pleasure as in the first one, and he still seems to be motivated by pure sadism. At one point, one of the hostages tearfully tells Bill that he killed her sister, who was the waitress in the first one. He responds by taunting her and fake-crying, then takes sadistic pleasure as he forces a male hostage to beat her up. At the end, he gives a gun to a little girl and encourages her to kill her parents and then commit suicide. The only thing that MIGHT disqualify him is that he seems to become slightly emotional when he learns of his mother's death. He becomes noticeably more aggressive immediately following the revelation, but he also discovers right then that the police have sent an undercover agent in as a crewman along with the camera crew to do his live interview. It's not really clear if his anger is more over that, or his mother's death, though the fact that he immediately calms down once he gets his interview indicates that it's the former. During the interview itself, he states that his mother was a good woman, and that she'd do anything for him and vice versa. However, he ALSO states that "some things are bigger than his mother" and that he prioritizes his beliefs above all else. It's still evident, however, that these "beliefs" are simply his excuse to justify sadistic acts of domestic terrorism. He enjoys himself far too much to believably come across as a Well-Intentioned Extremist, and his acts, including mocking his victims and the already mentioned forced beating, are completely unnecessary considering his states motivations.