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Juarez.

Juarez.

Rightyoh then. I think this seems a foregone conclusion.

• Call of Juarez: Juan "Juarez" Mendoza, Big Bad of the series, is a ruthless Mexican bandit turned warlord. When the outlaw brothers, Thomas and Ray McCall arrive in Mexico, Juarez uses them to wipe out his rivals and eventually betrays them to Confederate remnants they escaped from. When he bargains with an Apache tribe trying to fight the army, Juarez simply sells them defective rifles, taking the money with intent on letting the natives be slaughtered. Upon learning his mistress Marisa is in love with Thomas, Juarez tries to have the brothers' pacifist younger brother William killed and intends to throw Marisa into slavery in one of his brothels, sneering that she is a 'lying, thieving, gold-loving whore.' When Ray defeats him, Juarez resurfaces eighteen years later, hunting for a secret treasure he believes Marisa passed on to her son Billy. He kills Thomas and Marisa, letting his men rape his ex and attempts to hunt down Billy by threatening the life of Billy's love interest Molly. When he fails to sway Billy to his side, he attempts to burn him and Molly alive. At the end, when Juarez is beaten, he still manages to mortally wound Ray himself and attempts to murder Billy to the end before a dying Ray finds the strength to kill him once and for all. Brutal, greedy and treacherous, Juarez prides himself on his ability to come out on top no matter who he has to destroy.

Couple of questions:

• Marisa is in love with Thomas, so Juarez has Thomas's brother killed?
• Again, why make the rifles defective? Saving on production costs?

• Call of Juarez: Juan "Juarez" Mendoza is a ruthless Mexican bandit turned warlord. When the outlaw brothers, Thomas and Ray McCall, arrive in Mexico, Juarez uses them to wipe out his rivals before betraying them to Confederate remnants they escaped from. When he bargains with an Apache tribe trying to fight the army, Juarez simply sells them defective rifles he has lying around, taking the money while letting the natives be slaughtered. Upon learning his mistress Marisa is in love with Thomas, Juarez tries to have the brothers' pacifist younger brother William killed and intends to throw Marisa into slavery in one of his brothels, sneering that she is a "lying, thieving, gold-loving whore." When Ray defeats him, Juarez resurfaces eighteen years later, hunting for a secret treasure he believes Marisa passed on to her son Billy. He kills Thomas and Marisa, lets his men rape his ex, and attempts to hunt down Billy by threatening the life of Billy's love interest Molly. When he fails to sway Billy ( who turns out to be his own son) to his side, he attempts to burn him and Molly alive. At the end, when Juarez is beaten, he still manages to mortally wound Ray himself and attempts to murder Billy to the end before a dying Ray finds the strength to kill him once and for all. Brutal, greedy and treacherous, Juarez prides himself on his ability to come out on top no matter who he has to destroy.

edited 30th Aug '14 3:25:22 PM by ACW

Juarez just has defective rifles about, so he keeps any real weapons, sells the defective ones, and profits while the tribe would be wiped out.

Juarez dislikes Marisa from the time they meet. He just enjoys her for her body. However, he treats her like a possession and is quite clear that nobody else touches what he owns. He kills her and Thomas 18 years later part in payback, partly because he's looking for the secret of the gold of Juarez (the place, not him) and Marisa might have it.

edited 30th Aug '14 3:13:49 PM by Lightysnake

Ok, I watched the next episode of City Homicide, so I'll go over Brett Semple.

• Brett Semple, the teenage illegitimate son of an armed robber who gets involved with his father's gang after he goes missing, and then proves himself far worse. He kills a bank teller in cold blood during a heist, and later shoots at the police when they come for him, with his own mother in the room. The ironic part is that Brett's father kept out of his life specifically to avoid tainting him and bringing him down that path.

Is Brett heinous enough? Sean Maccready killed over a dozen children in house fires. Brett kills one man in cold blood and shoots at two cops while his mother is next to them. Granted, Brett Semple is only 18 and has less resources.

Though Clato Lawa did make a case for Brett here

"Just has defective rifles about." O...kay, then.
As for Marisa, I meant there seemed like an odd connection there, like she fell in love with Thomas so he killed William.

I was wondering about Brent myself (BTW, what was decided about Sean anyway?). Though Frances and Daniel seem like qualifiers.

Makes sense. Lovely fellow.

edited 30th Aug '14 3:25:48 PM by ACW

William is Thomas's brother and Juarez wants loose ends dealt with

Juarez is a warlord. He runs a huge swath of territory. That necessitates weaponry. He has plenty guns. He just chooses to sell ones that don't work anymore because he figures the Apache won't know till it's too late.

on Juarez. He sounds like one of the easiest qualifiers of this trope since The Joker and Palpatine.

Red Skull says hello.

I'd like to propose a candidate here...it's The Shadow Lord from the Deltora Quest...he committed genocide against the dragons and left only seven survivors, murdered four singers simply because he hated things that were beautiful, created a plague that destroyed an entire city, and poisoned the King of Deltora so that he could take over and surpress said land...

Mind doing a larger post to detail the series and what it's like, how he stacks up to the other villains and possible mitigating factors?

Any moral agency issues?

edited 30th Aug '14 5:17:47 PM by Lightysnake

This Shadow Lord sounds like a keep, just need to verify if all this stuff in onscreen.

@Cakeman

No. He's come up before, I'm pretty sure, and the answer was no then, and no now.

@everybody else

What Cakeman didn't bother to mention is that the Shadow Lord is Orcus on His Throne for the entirety of the first and second series. I haven't read the third, but from what I'm told, he doesn't do anything there, either. He stays entirely offscreen, working through henchmen whom we see him communicate with a grand total of once in the entire series.

There's no character to talk about. He can't qualify, since we have no grasp on who he is, or what his motivations really are.

IIRC, would have to check later, the Shadow Lord shows up in person in the Tales Of Deltora book a few times...but it's framed as collection of historical accounts and folk tales put together by a character in-universe.

The books went into his backstory, actually.

I've read the three series and the Shadow Lord never actually makes an appearance, so I'd say on those grounds.

Given that, on Shadow Lord.

Latest edition of the Milady writeup:

• The mysterious, murderous Femme Fatale Milady de Winter, The Heavy of The Three Musketeers, is one of the top agents of the Visionary Villain Cardinal Richelieu in his campaign to strengthen France and free it of foreign influence, but shares none of her employer's lofty ideals. Instead, she uses her position, resources, and quasi-supernatural beauty and charisma to indulge her limitless appetites for money, power, and indiscriminate, disproportionate revenge on anyone who gets on her bad side. Ever since her humble origins as a larcenous nun, she's targeted and seduced any sufficiently-useful man she comes across, destroying those who reject her and either killing or abandoning anyone unlucky enough to become her thrall as soon as they're no longer valuable. Her steadily-escalating battle with her Arch-Enemy, d'Artagnan, brings out all her worst excesses, as she first kidnaps his Love Interest as Revenge by Proxy for interfering with her job, then tries to enlist him to kill her brother-in-law for his inheritance and a young noble for apparently turning her advances down, then, after he humiliates her, repeatedly attempts to kill him with zero regard for collateral damage, endangering and killing several innocents along the way, and finally murders said Love Interest whilst pretending to be her dearest friend when their paths cross again as a last 'fuck you' to her enemy.

Anyway to modify the one at The Three Musketeers?

I was going to add this to both of the relevant pages (Literature and The Three Musketeers) as soon as the thread thought it was ready to go.

It was submitted like a week ago

Ah, fair enough. Didn't think we had a consensus yet.

Did we ever discuss the main villain from the Eternal Darkness Video Game? He is listed in the YMMV section of that game:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/EternalDarkness

I have not been able to find any real discussion on him by using the search engine.

Well, he's on Video Games And Visual Novels.