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Zeanobia Sanity is overrated from My house Since: Mar, 2012
Sanity is overrated
#926: Aug 29th 2012 at 3:45:40 PM

It's an index now indeed, but it would do so much better as a trope.

#nolivesmatter
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#927: Aug 29th 2012 at 3:49:34 PM

It is an index as for now. It's getting example subpages, but it still doesn't fit YMMV.

Most importantly, what is subjective about Inaccuracies Index?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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Lost in Space
#928: Aug 29th 2012 at 4:37:56 PM

For one thing, DNDTR was getting used as a dumping ground for every little minor nitpick anyone had about a work, regardless of the justification.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
#929: Aug 29th 2012 at 10:25:00 PM

...That doesn't seem subjective at all.

Rhymes with "Protracted."
Hydronix I'm an Irene! from TV Tropes Since: Apr, 2010
I'm an Irene!
#930: Aug 29th 2012 at 10:45:58 PM

...It's not honestly subjective.

They either got it right or they didn't.

Now, tiny things may not be worth saying, as noted earlier.

But big things can only be one. There is no subjectivity beyond "is it worth mentioning?", and most tropes have that anyway. Which is also not related at all to whether the trope is subjective or not.

Quest 64 thread
lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#931: Sep 1st 2012 at 2:05:37 AM

Moved to Special Efforts.

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Telcontar In uffish thought from England Since: Feb, 2012
In uffish thought
#932: Sep 1st 2012 at 6:12:06 AM

Thanks. Given that it's already linked from the directory thread here, could it be unstickied?

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Twentington Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Desperate
#933: Sep 14th 2012 at 1:58:00 PM

It seems odd to me that Network Decay is not YMMV, but Magazine Decay is. "Network Decay" seems fairly objective, since "Network that used to specialize in [type of program] now has [different type of programs]" is pretty cut and dried. Wouldn't the same be true of Magazine Decay?

edited 14th Sep '12 1:59:50 PM by Twentington

DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#934: Sep 29th 2012 at 12:47:05 PM

I'm not sure if this is the right thread to bring this up, so please link to an appropriate one if this isn't it.

I noted that a not on the Audience Reactions pages states that being In Universe Examples Only doesn't make something objective (as in it can be still ymmv).

The problem is that the point of In Universe Examples Only is to make a trope objective, by only allowing things that objectively happen in a show. Thus all such tropes are character reactions, in the sense of wicks and examples allowed.

Again, if this isn't the right thread, just let me know if the right one.

edited 29th Sep '12 12:47:43 PM by DragonQuestZ

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#935: Sep 29th 2012 at 2:37:25 PM

I think I played a role in that "note". The issue is that it's often controversial whether a In-Universe example limitation applies to wicks in the first place (never mind whether i gets enforced on wicks at all even if it applies), so listing on In Universe Examples Only just means that the main page and possibly the wicks should be In-Universe only, but with no accounting for the actual status of the wicks. If these are still used as YMMV, the article needs to stay on the YMMV and AR indexes.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#936: Sep 29th 2012 at 7:57:03 PM

[up]Well the point of the message is that no future wicks should be out of universe, and if there isn't a cleanup SE thread for existing wicks, there should be.

That's also why I have a thread in Tech Wishlist for a related banner. I'll just have to find it again.

EDIT: This is it.

edited 29th Sep '12 7:58:19 PM by DragonQuestZ

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ArcadesSabboth from Mother Earth Since: Oct, 2011
#937: Oct 5th 2012 at 8:21:46 PM

BLAM Episode was renamed Bizarro Episode. The former is YMMV (I think? the index isn't on Related To), the latter is not. Permission to add Bizarro Episode to the YMMV index?

Also, does this function like adding to any other index, or is there something special I need to do?

edited 5th Oct '12 8:23:09 PM by ArcadesSabboth

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MagBas Mag Bas from In my house Since: Jun, 2009
#938: Oct 14th 2012 at 11:26:46 AM

Calling Signature Song(12 yes and 6 nays currently)

edited 14th Oct '12 11:27:44 AM by MagBas

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Lost in Space
#939: Oct 17th 2012 at 9:26:20 AM

Did we ever evaluate Grandma, What Massive Hotness You Have!? Seems to be entirely a fan reaction and is always used as such from what I can see of the examples.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#940: Oct 17th 2012 at 9:28:19 AM

Hmm...that sounds almost like Trope Repair Shop job.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
WaxingName from Everywhere Since: Oct, 2010
#941: Nov 2nd 2012 at 12:40:31 PM

Does Generic Doomsday Villain need the YMMV tab? On the Trope Talk subforum, we came into agreement that it was a bit of a negative trope.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#942: Nov 2nd 2012 at 12:43:43 PM

I prefer for it to go through the Trope Repair Shop. Many tropes can end up looking subjective due to misuse, and making them subjective just increases the misuse.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#943: Nov 2nd 2012 at 8:09:37 PM

I think it's time for a new crowner. I've moved over anything which was in the green which didn't yet have ten votes.

Calling:

I added them to the Audience Reactions index.

edited 2nd Nov '12 8:10:01 PM by Nocturna

Ironeye Cutmaster-san from SoCal Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
Cutmaster-san
#944: Nov 3rd 2012 at 11:04:54 PM

Crowner switched. All three items in the green at the time of switch are currently on the new crowner.

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WaxingName from Everywhere Since: Oct, 2010
#945: Nov 13th 2012 at 10:15:38 AM

Why doesn't Standardized Leader have the banner? It plainly states on the page description in bold print:

Naturally, this is something of a Subjective Trope.

I think it should have the banner. If there's a reason behind it not being there even though that quote is on the page description, I'm missing it.

edited 13th Nov '12 10:16:03 AM by WaxingName

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#946: Nov 13th 2012 at 10:18:13 AM

The rambling description seems to be the actual issue.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
WaxingName from Everywhere Since: Oct, 2010
#947: Nov 13th 2012 at 10:44:16 AM

[up]Is that another thing that should be settled on TRS instead of here?

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#948: Nov 13th 2012 at 10:56:40 AM

Problems with a description should be mentioned here first, then in TRS if it's actually a definition issue. If it's a definition issue, it goes to TRS straightaway.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
reub2000 Since: Feb, 2011
#949: Dec 5th 2012 at 8:17:40 AM

Adding Troperiffic. No clear cut boundary.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#950: Dec 5th 2012 at 8:19:37 AM

Not really enough to get it defined as YMMV.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

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6th Apr '12 3:44:26 AM

Crown Description:

YMMV is for items that are reactions of the audience to works and tropes that need a significant judgment call to tell whether they exist objectively or not.

Should these items become members of YMMV?

Note: Audience Reactions need to be subjective, emotional responses and things that are likely to cause arguments and disagreements. Merely being outside a work or inside an audience don't make things YMMV

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