Is this an example?

Hermaphroditic reproduction is hermaphroditic reproduction. Calling it homosexuality is not "justified"; it's factually wrong.

Heterosexual, homosexual, and hermaphroditic are non-overlapping categories.

edited 5th May '16 5:27:13 AM by Fighteer

What about Bizarre Alien Sexes cases that involve hermaphrodites existing as its own sex/gender alongside regular males and/or females?

Examples:

• Orions Arm, where six sexes are recognized in civilized space, which are "approximately defined as male, female, hermaphrodite, female pseudohermaphrodite, male pseudohermaphrodite, and genderless".
• Real Life nematodes are comprised solely of males and hermaphrodites.

Ah, no, Justified Trope can apply to tropes that are physically possible. Look at all the examples around the wiki. The majority of physically possible tropes that I came and still come across are tropes that normally are not given an explicit or even implicit in-universe justification.

Example from Justified Trope itself:

• Played straight: "A character's car explodes upon crashing." This is physically possible under the right circumstances, but the typical played-straight version of the trope doesn't bother showing if said right circumstances are in play.
• Justified case: The car blew up upon crashing because of the nitroglycerin that was put in the trunk in an earlier episode as part of a ploy to blast through a bank vault.

Another example from Every Car Is a Pinto involves Gundam Wing's mecha having a high chance of blowing up catastrophically upon suffering any armor-penetrating damage, with the justification being that they all run on compact nuclear reactors (located in the torso) that are understandably sensitive to any damage, with the typical result being an explosion that destroys the entire mecha even if the actual round that caused the fatal damage only punched a small hole through the armor.

Or to use something actually mundane, courtesy of Playing with a Trope: The Butler Did It. Justifications here would be showing that he had an actual reason for committing the murder (e.g. a past grudge, being a hired assassin).

edited 5th May '16 5:44:07 AM by MarqFJA

"Justified Trope can apply to tropes that are physically possible." Well... my argument is more or less the same as Fighteer's post , that it's not the Homosexual Reproduction trope at all.

That would be... Bizarre Alien Sexes, plus Bizarre Alien Reproduction. Presumably, a male alien would impregnate only the female organs of a hermaphrodite. Likewise, only the male organs of a hermaphrodite would be involved in impregnation of a female alien.

No idea what female pseudohermaphrodites and male pseudohermaphrodites are though.

edited 5th May '16 5:57:55 AM by hellomoto

Hermaphroditic reproduction must either be asexual reproduction or homosexual reproduction as it cannot be bisexual reproduction or trisexual reproduction by the logic that there is only one sex.

With the exception of the car blowing up, those examples sound like misuse. As a car blowing up is a physical impossibility. As I am not particularly familiar with the second, I give it a pass.

edited 5th May '16 5:59:33 AM by war877

The pseudohermaphrodites are explained here and here. The hermaphrodite sex is explained here. (NOTE: Includes images of nude people in the style of medical charts.)

If it's explicitly proven that the car somehow blow up on its own (i.e. without any of the "right circumstances" I mentioned) then it would indeed be a physical impossibility. But as I said, there are several ways for such an explosion to be possible; it's just that played-straight examples don't bother even hinting at any of these.

edited 5th May '16 6:07:49 AM by MarqFJA

Is hermaphroditic reproduction one sex only? Arguably it's two sexes, two different types of organs in play.

You could just ask a botanist, as the vast majority of plants are hermaphroditic.

Seriously, read this article and be shocked at how bizarrely alien plants are:

edited 5th May '16 8:01:42 AM by war877

Would the The Tradition of Tales Of The Five Hundred Kingdoms be an example of Clap Your Hands If You Believe, as it can make any story real, as long as it is popular enough, and beliefs are just another kind of story?

Like the Tradition for Acadian Sophonts, for example, to always have a stuffed crocodile in their offices, so The Tradition will supply one. No matter how often one throws out or destroys the thing, it will always come back.

As a side-question, is the Theory of Narrative Causality connected to Clap Your Hands If You Believe in any way?

edited 5th May '16 9:32:11 AM by Malady

On the first point, I think so.

On the second, I know of no link between clap your hands and narrative causality.

In Codex Alera, a slave addresses the heir presumptive with "Your Majesty" which should only be used for the First Lord. He is still a prince and has yet to be confirmed as First Lord, so corrects her by noting he should be called "Your Highness" still. She explains her personal reasons and repeats "Your Majesty".

Would this be a variation of They Call Me MISTER Tibbs!?

I get the impression They Call Me MISTER Tibbs! is a consistent thing that occurs, going by many entries.

There doesn't mean a one-off instance won't work, though I've forgotten the scene you're referring to in Codex Alera, so I can't say. I don't really remember Aquataine and Odianna sharing many scenes, nor Octavian and any slaves after the reveal is his heritage.

Reposting this one again since I haven't gotten a response: YMMV.Seconds:

• They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: Considering the story's themes of accepting the consequences of one's actions and moving on, Be Careful What You Wish For, and the implication that her ex had somewhat of a dark side that never amounted to much, the protagonist being back together with him in the end comes across as slightly undermining the premise of the story.

Also could someone take a look at these examples:

Literature.The Maze Runner:

• Deceased Parents Are the Best: As revealed in The Fever Code prologue, Newt had nice parents ready to give their lives for their child.

Film.Jupiter Ascending:

• God Is Evil: Humans were created by the Abrasax with the intention of being harvested eventually.

YMMV.The Maze Runner 2014:

• Jerkass Woobie: The film turns Gally into one. While still an antagonist, he seems to genuinely care for everyone and just wants everyone to be safe. As such, he's very much Alas, Poor Villain.

It is a possible fridge moment watching phineas and Ferb Starwars after having seen Force Awakens. Finn and Candice do seem to have a lot in common.

I don't see how it would, since any similarities would be pure coincidence. What, specifically, are you thinking of?

This huge-ass entry from LimitedSpecialCollectorsUltimateEdition.Film looks like it could use some trimming (and proofreading) down to only the tapes that really include worthwhile bonus features. However, since "worthwhile" sounds subjective, I'd like a second opinion on whether or not contest entry forms and limited-time memorabilia qualify for that adjective. (I personally think the latter sounds more tempting than the former, although I wasn't born when most of these tapes came out)

• For the record, Disney's stunt with including a bunch of extras began with the premiere Walt Disney "Black Diamond" Classics VHS of Robin Hood in 1984 (this release also happens to be one of the earliest uses of the trope); this release's promo tape included a video dealer contest for a trip to London and the ability to buy the line's logo as part of the video display; as for Pinocchio in 1985, a promo tape was created for that too and indicated a major video dealer contest with a Disney World vacation as the grand prize; stores also received specially made "Pinocchio" marionettes with The Classics: Walt Disney Home Video black diamond logo on them to indicate they were made by Disney; that tape was reissued the next year in a six-pack box set that included 5 other Classics titles including the newly released Sleeping Beauty. A few years later, anyone who pre-ordered the Classics VHS of Cinderella between July 11 and the tape's release date of October 3, 1988 received a limited edition Cinderella lithograph made by Marc Davis, one of Disney's Nine Old Men. It really began picking up steam with the Classics VHS release of Fantasia in 1991, which had a separate Collector's Box (which cost more than the standalone tape) that contained a "Making of a Masterpiece" documentary tape and several other bonuses such as the film's soundtrack in addition to the film itself; the semifinal release in the Walt Disney Classics line, Aladdin, also had a Collector's Box with a short documentary on the film's creation and the film's soundtrack, and it only went from there when the Classics's successor, the Walt Disney Masterpiece Collection, included making-of featurettes on several reissued films (not on ones that were seeing their first video release, however).

edited 10th May '16 9:38:52 AM by dsneybuf

It does look all packed together. I think that might be because that is actually fiveish different examples? Which would make this a formatting error. Action figures and expired contest entry forms are typical fluff packed into limited editions. Which is what this trope is truly about: A more expensive version, with just enough fluff inside so some nerds won't mind the price.

I don't think it counts if some of the stuff is sold separately, which one of the examples ambiguously sounded like it was saying.

That seems to verify my suspicions that the Robin Hood and Pinocchio promotional tapes don't count, since it seems like Disney handed them out for free - This YouTube upload of the Pinocchio tape ends with some shots of the case, marked "NOT FOR SALE". If it turns out they didn't include the whole movies, I'd feel even more sure that they don't count.

The Cinderella lithograph sounds like something that would go under Pre-Order Bonus if that page had Film folders (folders I'd guarantee would have more than one example, if they existed).

Pre order bonus can overlap with special edition if the preorder is more expensive.

This ad says the lithograph came for free.

If you want, I think you can add the movie folder to Pre Order Bonus.

Keep in mind calling extras included for "free" free is a classic marketing strategy that means nothing at all.

edited 10th May '16 11:17:37 PM by war877

x9 It's been about three days, any chance someone could take a look at the examples I posted.

Does something count as an Artifact of Doom if it's really more neutral in nature?

The specific example I'm thinking of is the typewriter from Film.Goosebumps, which can create either good things or evil things based on the emotions of its user. It brought all of R.L. Stine's monsters to life as murderous creatures, but it also created Stine's daughter Hannah who is completely innocent and in fact one of the most heroic characters in the story.

The page is listing it as an Artifact of Doom, but I'm not convinced it counts.

edited 11th May '16 4:43:41 PM by wrm5

If a movie's soundtrack never received an official release, resorting its fans to rip audio from official prints and home video releases, does that count as Keep Circulating the Tapes?

x12. It's been about five days, any chance someone could take a look at the examples I posted.

Can the trope Earth That Used to Be Better be applied to non-Earth worlds from works that never feature or even hint at the existence of either humankind or the planet Earth itself? I've been thinking of adding an Earth That Used to Be Better entry to Tiberian Eclipse, which is a crossover between the Command & Conquer: Tiberian Series and My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic. The world of MLP-FIM is obviously not our planet Earth, and barring the Equestria Girls movie sub-series (which doesn't get referenced in the main series except a couple of times, very briefly) never alludes to the existence of Earth and its human inhabitants in any way.

Meanwhile, in Tiberian Eclipse, Earth the world of MLP-FIM exist in the same universe, with the latter being a planet that's very distant from the former and the events of the story being the very first instance of contact between the two worlds' denizens. The story takes place after the C&C: Tiberian Series's namesake Toxic Phlebotinum had arrived to Equestria and overrun the world in short order, killing off many of the denizens, turning the planet into a Death World filled with mutated life and toxic crystals, and driving most of the surviving ponies back to the capital Canterlot, where they live in overcrowded conditions and constant fear, while the Mane Six and Princess Celestia despair at the futility of their attempts to find a solution (up until humanity makes planetfall, that is). This strikes me as fulfilling pretty much the essence of the trope, barring the fact that the planet is not Earth.

So... Is the trope flexible enough to apply here?

edited 13th May '16 6:29:09 PM by MarqFJA