Punk

Ever heard of Fucked Up? You might like 'em.

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A cool song I've found:

Jazz Punk up in this biznatch motherfuckers

edited 23rd Aug '14 10:23:11 PM by PadurKaril

I'd rather the world betray me, but I won't betray the world.

Now that I've checked out One Direction's collective protegé(s), 5 Seconds of Summer, I've come to a realization about pop punk.

There actually is a distinction between 90's Pop Punk and 00's Pop Punk. I'll call 90's pop punk the "real" pop punk, while 00's pop punk is called "boy punk" due to similarities with Boy Bands.

While Green Day can be considered the precursors to "boy punk", they are, in my opinion, clearly in the 90's pop punk category. I think the true beginning of "boy punk" (in my opinion, the downfall of the genre) would be Blink-182's Enema of the State, and everything took off from there. This is the type of "pop punk" is what 5 Seconds claims to be. I don't think Green Day followed suit with this at first, as American Idiot still sounded like their 90's work, but they kinda put themselves there with 21st Century Breakdown.

edited 25th Aug '14 6:29:27 PM by WaxingName

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It might work as a very broad distinction but there are still excellent 00s pop punk bands like the Swellers and the Wonder Years.

edited 25th Aug '14 9:39:51 PM by jonny0110

Aren't all the best 00's pop punk bands emo pop? There's a reason why emo pop overtook the original pop punk towards the middle 00's.

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I don't know. That which I just posted I would say is straight up pop-punk, as are the Swellers. Not sure about emo-pop really.

Honestly, that was more like them trying to be The Who than anything. I feel like Green Day's progression as artists is comparable to them (though obviously your mileage may vary on whether or not they can compare in terms of skill)—starting out with simple, quick 'n dirty tunes (compare the Who's first two or three albums, which laid the groundwork for the hard, energized playing style that is a hallmark of the power-pop genre and would also inspire many early punk bands, with most of Green Day's '90s work, straight up Ramones-style pop punk).

After this period, they went into periods of experimentation which included two rock operas (Tommy and Quadrophenia from The Who, American Idiot and Twenty First Century Breakdown from Green Day—and, it should be noted, both Tommy and Idiot were later made into Broadway musicals and movies, the latter of which is a forthcoming release) and trying out different styles of music (the Who gettin' jiggy with synthesizers in the '70s especially, whereas Green Day embraced folk elements on Warning and pretty much everything but the kitchen sink is tried out on Nimrod).^note Admittedly, their paths kind of diverge after this point.

They're also comparable as live bands, both having a reputation for being fantastically energetic live performers who put on bangers of shows, while being slightly more low-key on their studio work.

edited 1st Sep '14 3:19:43 PM by Odd1

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I don't think an American Idiot movie is coming out, to be honest. It's stuck in Greenlighting Limbo, the place before Development Hell.

Speaking of, that album is going to celebrate its 10th anniversary. Is GD making any plans?

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3 things:

• I just found out that what I call "boy punk" already has a name: "mall punk." Huge fail on my part... I thought I discovered a new concept.
• Why is Good Charlotte considered the absolute worst "mall punk" band? I keep going around and I find the consensus that Good Charlotte is the absolute worst of its kind.
• @jonny: In answer to your question about the best 00's pop-punk being emo pop, scroll down to the bottom of this page. It has Paramore, Fall Out Boy, The Wonder Years, and Panic! at the Disco classified as such. Also, it mentions that Blink-182 became emo-pop on their self-titled album.

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It's not like "mall punk" is an official term or anything. It's just a derisive term, and is the pop-punk equivalent of "mallcore" (the term used for mainstream nu-metal bands like Linkin Park, Slipknot, Mudvayne, etc.)

For we shall slay evil with logic...

Out of curiosity, were there any British bands in the second wave of punk? I know there were plenty in the first wave, but I don't hear a lot from the second wave.

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Depending on the cut-off date, there are the anarcho-punk bands such as Crass, or otherwise the UK 82 street punk bands like The Exploited and GBH, and the UK's own version of a hardcore punk scene with bands like Discharge and The Varukers (also considered a part of the UK 82 scene).

edited 17th Sep '14 10:49:27 AM by supergod

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And lest we forget crust punk groups like Amebix.

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Skate Punk appeals to me probably most. Used to be a skater when I was a teen. That, and the hardcore influence with melodic singing and more groovable riffs combine the best of pop and hardcore, at least to me.

Totally agree (though I equally love the Bad Religion/Rise Against style of popcore as well).

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Pop Punk is very hit or miss with me. I find most descend into sentimentality-fueled angst, or relationship problems, or both.

Dollyrots are pure not so guilty pleasure though. They can rock with the harmonies at least. That, and the horror crowd has my appeal, mostly because it doesn't take itself all that seriously.

I like political stuff too, but there's only so many times you can here variations on fuck insert politician here and the system's out to get you so many times.

Lastly a pretty big sca fan. The millenium may have left it behind, but I still haven't.

Ska punk was the first genre I was ever a fan of. In retrospect, a few of the bands I listed to were complete garbage, but some of them still hold up really well.

I like the noiser, more flipped out stuff—screamo, crust punk, power violence, some anarcho-punk—although a good hook married to interesting lyrics and a good sense of structure and sound is a pleasure in any genre.

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@darkabomination: You're thinking Emo Pop, which, to me, is rather distinct from Pop Punk. Emo Pop (like those from Fall Out Boy, Simple Plan, and Paramore) is the one that's full of relationship problems and angst and stuff.

Pop Punk, on the other hand, (those from Green Day, The Offspring, blink-182) have a lot of sophomoric, immature, gross-out humor, and sometimes the political-ness of other genres.

NOTE: There is a distinction between the pop-influenced punk of the first wave and the Pop Punk of the second wave. The pop-influenced punk of the first wave is Classic Punk. The second wave is Pop Punk.

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True. Though seems a lot of categories don't make a distinction and lump emo and typical poptogether.

You're probably didn't mean it like that, but it should be noted that "classic" or first wave punk isn't necessarily pop-influenced (at least not by the sort of bubblegum pop people usually mean when they say "pop punk"). Bands like The Ramones and Buzzcocks, sure, but not stuff like Dead Boys. I have no problem calling the former pop punk.

edited 19th Sep '14 2:50:57 PM by supergod

For we shall slay evil with logic...

This.

I'll hide your name inside a word and paint your eyes with false perception.

Thing is, you'll probably insult fans of classic punk if you call any of them pop punk. I call it classic punk out of their consideration.

Also, is there a comprehensive list of either classic pop-influenced punk or 90's pop punk? I'm trying to find one, but Google isn't helping.

edited 22nd Sep '14 5:19:36 AM by WaxingName

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Might as well put that American Idiot has just celebrated its 10th anniversary.

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