Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
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- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
I think it was right to axe the whole section.
There are no Creators of Real Life exercising Artistic License to include things in Real Life that are not 100% realistic and accurate. That would be an oxymoron.
A lot of the examples are contrasting claims "fictional depictions" (without any details about which fictional depictions) with Real Life, which is not what a Real Life section is for.
Other examples are talking about supposedly common misconceptions about drugs, which is not what an Artistic Licence page is for.
In short, I think all the examples can be cut on the grounds of Not An Example, which does not require discussion.
edited 6th Oct '13 3:34:00 AM by Catbert
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I have to agree with Catbert.
I'm also of the opinion that axing a whole folder and its examples is something that should be discussed. Redistributing examples in an "Others" or "Web Original" folder to appropriate folders would be another matter.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
The only thing I can see keeping is the first item, and even then I don't know under which media to file it.
As for the other items, they could only fit in a UsefulNotes.Pharmacology page, if anywhere.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
That editor has deleted the sections from Artistic License – Geography, Artistic License – Geology, Artistic License – Animal Care, Artistic License – Biology, Artistic License – Military and Artistic License – Music as well.
edited 6th Oct '13 3:56:06 AM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I would be concerned that a Useful Notes page on drugs on this website would itself risk perpetuating myths, inaccuracies, and edit wars, especially about the recreational drugs mentioned on this page.
Save the role of giving tips on drugs and medicine for Web MD or professional physicians and pharmacologists.
EDIT PS:
I think the editor is making the right call about the applicability of Real Life sections to Artistic License pages. I also think those pages need even more changes.
See here for the start of a Special Projects thread.
edited 6th Oct '13 4:02:18 AM by Catbert
"In distress", my ass.
The RL sections for pretty much all Artistic License tropes can consume excrement and expire for all I care. However, just arbitrarily zapping them without any discussion (here or elsewhere) seems uncool, at least to me.
(Unless something came up in Ask The Tropers, which I haven't checked for over a week now. Foruming on this craptop is one thing, following ATT, LAF, and the rest of my watchlist is another. 
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edited 6th Oct '13 5:47:46 AM by Nohbody
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No, there hasn't been any Ask The Tropers discussion about that.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Should we really add Dumbass Teenage Son to No Real Life Examples Please, please? Of course because it's really not nice to call real life man dumb and it's too many to list.
Thank you.
No, the other one.
The only argument I can think of at the moment against it is that there aren't any Real Life examples currently.
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What's the precedent on pre-emptively adding things to NRELP!?
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No, the other one.
Dunno. I follow a Don't Fix It If It Ain't Broke rule myself.
edited 6th Oct '13 12:39:38 PM by AnotherDuck
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Adding Christmas Creep on the crowner.
It's a newly launched trope. Already the discussion in ykttw started to attract complaining (though toned down) and examples like "it happens in store x" or "store y has a policy against it".
It's possible it will attract Natter and complaining.
On the other hand, some of the real life examples are quite interesting. Judge for yourself. :-)
edited 6th Oct '13 4:48:29 PM by XFllo
I was referred here from the Trope Repair Shop forum and the thread about Sweater Girl. While that trope as a whole is being hammered out in that thread, it strikes me as one easy fix to take out all the Real Life examples. A Real Life list of women wearing tight sweaters really shouldn't be on this wiki.
I'll support both motions.
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Same. Sweater Girl has a lot of creepy potential, and is one that is worth cutting off at the pass.
Christmas Creep could turn into complaining about businesses you don't like, and/or become really really long. Either isn't a good thing.
Should the crowner be swapped out first?
edited 7th Oct '13 12:16:43 AM by Candi
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
"In distress", my ass.
After Christmas Creep is addressed, I don't see why not. They usually wait for a few more entries, but that Predatory Business bug... well, bugs me.
I agree that Sweater Girl should be put up for a vote for the next crowner.
As for the earlier question about pre-emptive NRLEP listing, it's not unprecedented, though specific examples escape me off the top of my sleep-deprived head. (Yay stupid hardware settings making an OS install a royal bitch... )
edited 7th Oct '13 2:07:08 AM by Nohbody
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I remember reading about some YKTTW's being launched NRLEPs from the beginning, and that being discussed as not a bad thing necessarily, especially for some obvious items. Also, some items were just beginning to attract borderline creepy, and a RL cut was considered preferential to monitoring due to the trope itself.
I think. I need caffeine.
edited 7th Oct '13 7:32:20 AM by Candi
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
I don't see the problem with Christmas Creep. It isn't calling anyone evil, bad, stupid, etc. It isn't dwelling on sensitive issues like rape, murder, racism, etc. The mere five examples it has right now have no natter and or complaining tone. I think we should just monitor it to keep any overly strident example writing out.
Edit PS: Any article at all has the potential to attract natter. Any example subcategory (such as Literature) can attract natter. That should not be a reason to preemptively cut the Real Life section. Natter can be dealt with like any other example of bad wiki style.
I'm more concerned about controversy, and I don't think things like selling Christmas lights in October or whatever are really the type of thing that is going to attract the level of controversy that will make reading the article unpleasant for people, start fights, or degrade the reputation of this wiki.
edited 7th Oct '13 7:53:50 AM by Catbert
I agree with Catbert on Christmas Creep. At the moment, there is nothing problematic with the Real Life section. The crowner option says it might attract natter and complaining, but at the moment it is completely acceptable, and any natter could be easily removed anyway.
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I voted it down on the understanding that we can revisit if it proves to be unmanageably drawing complaints.
I worry about setting a precedent for revisiting tropes where the real-life section already survived a crowner here — it seems to put us on the road to the TRS problem of putting pages through again and again until we get the "right" answer — but if revisits happen I assume someone will say "we did that one already, and I don't think anything's changed since."
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I wonder about Christmas Creep even needing a Real Life section, as it would just turn into Troper Tales style anecdotes about how someone's neighborhood store put out the decorations on September 1 this year. Still, it's not an obvious candidate for NRLEP.
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I guess it should be watched then, and have TT/non-examples axed with prejudice.
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There is no Planet B
For reference, you may check ykttw archive of Christmas Creep. There appeared quite a lot TT or examples mentioning yet another country where it happens (though perhaps some were not meant to be added to the draft in the first place).
And I already deleted one non-example about Easter goods appearing in February.
edited 8th Oct '13 6:39:53 AM by XFllo
Lost in Space
Thoughts on Metaphorically True? I just had to axe a lot of natter from the Real Life section and there are still more politically motivated examples than I'm comfortable with.
Maybe it just needs sanitizing rather than excision.
edited 8th Oct '13 6:52:03 AM by Fighteer
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Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
Artistic License – Pharmacology just got its RL examples cut, with an edit reason of "To reflect the change from "You fail x forever" to "Artistic License-X", I'm cutting the real life section. Either find a more specific place in another trope or leave it out- these tend to just be grab-bags of mistakes that annoy whoever added them." by Towersixteen. I've reverted the change, as there was no discussion, but their reason might have merit, so I am submitting it here.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman