Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
I agree that Super Weight is not Real Life-examples-worthy. And it was I that removed it prior to the overhaul, primarily because given the nature of this, it is far better served in fiction or whatever mythos there is, so that the entry for God would go in The Bible (which is in the Mythology And Religion subpage).
edited 30th Apr '12 8:26:09 AM by EarlOfSandvich
I now go by Graf von Tirol.
Did The Extremist Was Right get renamed from Strawman Has a Point, or is that a separate trope?
EDIT: They're separate. Does anyone else agree Strawman Has a Point should be added? Strawmen don't exist in real life, so while there may be discussions about strawman arguments by real life people in the Other folder, it doesn't need real life "strawmen" who were/are right.
edited 30th Apr '12 10:26:55 AM by ArcadesSabboth
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
They look separate.
Nominating Knight Templar.
I'm going to have to vote against Knight Templar because it's named after actual knightly organizations and there's a lot of interesting description in the Real Life section of the various orders, and some of how they behaved, that wouldn't fit in the trope description. I'd support putting a notice not to add any modern (post-1900? post-1800?) examples, though.
I'm nominating Strawman Has a Point.
edited 30th Apr '12 4:59:22 PM by ArcadesSabboth
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
While that information is interesting, it's pretty irrelevant to the actual trope. The Knights Templar, even in negative portrayals, don't really have much to do with Knight Templar (I'm not even sure why they're the trope namers).
edited 30th Apr '12 5:03:07 PM by nrjxll
Personally I don't think that the Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon are actually an example of the trope Knight Templar.
While there is some interesting stuff in the Real Life section, The Knights Templar covers the history better than Knight Templar.
Then that RL material should be moved to the non-trope page(s) in question. Why isn't that a Useful Notes page?
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
If you are asking why The Knights Templar is not a Useful Notes pages, I would say it is because like Samurai, they are a stock character/organization in fiction even though they existed in Real Life.
edited 30th Apr '12 5:10:43 PM by Catbert
Am I a weirdo?
Calling Took a Level in Jerkass, The Extremist Was Right, Head-in-the-Sand Management, and Super Weight.
Bigotry will NEVER be welcome on TV Tropes.
What about Scapegoat Creator?
As it is right now, the Real Life section lists things like political leaders and sports leaders. Such folks tend to only be "creators" in the sense that we use the term if they are authors of books, in which case the books should be listed in literature.
Real Life itself may or may not have a Creator, but we really don't want to debate religion in this context.
edited 1st May '12 8:10:43 PM by Catbert
Why exactly was I Resemble That Remark! proposed? It seems to be getting voted down pretty strongly, and I personally don't see what the problem was.
It's an essentially an insult trope, which we usually don't allow real life examples for. Granted, that one's real life section was in decent shape and doesn't appear likely to dissolve into a flame war, but I think it was proposed on the principle of the thing.
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
Strawman Has a Point is 7:1 with 16 votes ... but doesn't appear to have real life examples.
The child is father to the man —Oedipus
Am I a weirdo?
Some of these are just there as a precaution. Basically, they may not have a real life section at present, but similar pages and general policy on what we don't like real life examples on suggests that we should disallow real life examples now just to be safe. For example, Took a Level in Jerkass had no real life examples when I called it, but if we aren't supposed to call people jerkasses, then we shouldn't be able to say "this person became a jerkass after x happened."
Bigotry will NEVER be welcome on TV Tropes.
Am I a weirdo?
Oh, right. Also calling Strawman Has a Point.
Bigotry will NEVER be welcome on TV Tropes.
Adding Sex Tourism, which is already on the index yet had a RL section I just removed.
Red Light District is also on the index, and has a sizeable RL section, although a very clean one. Currently most if not all are historically known RL Ds but naturally the addition of ones that are not would be problematic. What should we do here?
Am I a weirdo?
If it's on the index, then it shouldn't have real life examples. If we don't want TV Tropes to be a porn index, then it shouldn't be a prostitute index either. I'm axing the real life examples, and we can put it on the crowner as a formality to see if we should add the warning bar on the page itself.
Bigotry will NEVER be welcome on TV Tropes.
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
Perhaps Red Light District can be limited to historical real-life examples?
The child is father to the man —Oedipus
So that's what this does
I Resemble That Remark! was nominated because the real life section contains a few entries like:
- In Germany, Jewish journalist Henryk M. Broder once commented that Polish culture was based on alcoholism and antisemitism. As he said, he got many angry letters from drunken Polish patriots who threatened him.
So in other words, a racist makes a racial slur then repeats it directed at people who disagree with him. That sounds like a warning bell to me.
It's been suggested that the Nightmare Fuel section must go, so here I'll bring it up.
I now go by Graf von Tirol.
Anyone want to second putting Creator Scapegoat on the crowner?
I looked at the Real Life section of Scapegoat Creator, and the examples suck. Many are misuse anyway. Not nearly as big a problem as most of those already on the crowner, but yeah, I can support that.
I'll also support this for Knight Templar, if we can all agree to first move the historical descriptions to The Knights Templar, The Knights Hospitallers, and so forth, instead of just deleting them.
edited 2nd May '12 10:21:02 AM by ArcadesSabboth
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
If they're not natteriffic and have useful historical material, I see no reason why they couldn't be transferred to those pages.
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
I’m nominating three tropes:
The Extremist Was Right, which should be pretty self-explanatory. Rulers and other people doing horrible things because they are "better" in the long run. A natter magnet, and controversial.
Super Weight: A troper had already deleted the real life examples some time ago, but the No Real Life Examples tag hasn’t been affixed as of yet. For one thing, people in the real world don't have superpowers. Secondly, anything over type two is speculative about the future development of technologies, and whether god(s) and related supernatural entities exist, a debate we probably don't want to get into. Before the overhaul on the trope, someone already got offended once when Type 5 listed "God... maybe" as an example.
Took a Level in Jerkass: For the same reason why Jerkass and Jerkass Woobie are also listed, which is to not call real life people jerkasses.
edited 30th Apr '12 7:34:27 AM by khalini