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Deadlock Clock: Dec 10th 2012 at 11:59:00 PM
pawsplay Since: Jan, 2001
#26: Apr 14th 2012 at 5:09:09 PM

Fiddly Bard, spitballing some ideas:

The Fiddly Bard is a type of fantasy game character based on the archetype of the storyteller or songster. Bards are distinct in that they are not a particuarly martial or mystical archetype, although song is often revered as a divine power. Rather than appending a bard characterization to an existing character type, the Fiddly Bard is designed to have a unique set of abilities related to their gifts. Sometimes the Fiddly Bard is a type of Warrior Poet or Cultured Badass, but they could as easily be a gimmick character. Sometimes this works, sometimes it doesn't.

To qualify as a Fiddly Bard, the character should have all three of the following four key characteristics:

  • Not primarily a damage dealer, with spell or blade. Instead, the bard focuses on effects such as buffs or inflicting status effects that are usually seen as a secondary's secondary role. Typically, breadth of ability is not a strength; the character has an odd grab-bag of so-called powers.
  • A bard/minstrel type character, or another unprepossessing archetype. If not literally a bard, may practice a weird and slightly impractical form of magic, be a prince/princess or other chronically distressed character, or be a notably non-lethal Joke Character. May be deliebrately designed to be feckless in battle, perhaps even randomly doing useless things.
  • Has a unique mechanic. Typically manifestations involve using different instruments to activate different powers, unique mana-refreshing mechanics, or fueling magic with something other than conventional magic points.

Tropes commonly associated with the Spoony Bard:

edited 14th Apr '12 5:09:40 PM by pawsplay

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#27: Apr 14th 2012 at 5:54:04 PM

For what it's worth, a long time ago this trope had to be given an examplectomy as it was decided to repair the thread to focus specifically just on Bards alone. Before, it used to be any example from any type of video game that fit the description of the trope (such as the Pipe Runners from Advance Wars) but was used to basically just list Joke Character types or characters that had extremely limited and quirky uses.

I guess what I'm getting at is, the trope is now about bards, but now it's time to clean up the definition as to just exactly what kind of bard fits the bill for this trope.

edited 14th Apr '12 5:54:18 PM by DRCEQ

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#29: May 15th 2012 at 7:54:53 AM

Bumping for votes.

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#30: Jun 17th 2012 at 8:34:07 AM

Calling crowner in favor of splitting trope into "quirky tagalong bard" and "mechanically useless class".

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#31: Jun 18th 2012 at 12:52:58 PM

I take it that Spoony Bard will be the one to cover actual bards, then?

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#32: Jun 18th 2012 at 1:38:27 PM

It seems like the good idea.

edited 18th Jun '12 1:46:07 PM by Ghilz

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#33: Jun 18th 2012 at 2:14:46 PM

YKTTW'd a draft for the "Class with a gimmick often called Bard­" split off trope

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#34: Aug 1st 2012 at 1:04:14 PM

Waiting on the YKTTW, it seems.

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#35: Oct 10th 2012 at 1:25:37 AM

Any progress here?

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#36: Dec 7th 2012 at 12:45:49 AM

This hasn't moved at all since my last post, and the YKTTW is dead. Clocking it.

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#37: Dec 7th 2012 at 1:30:36 AM

[up]Is the YKTTW dead for long enough that it's Up For Grabs? I can keep it moving if needed.

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#38: Dec 7th 2012 at 6:32:24 AM

It already has an Up For Grabs tag.

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#39: Feb 5th 2013 at 3:56:41 PM

I'm gonna launch Mechanically Unusual Class when I get home in an hour.

EDIT: And done.

edited 5th Feb '13 5:41:01 PM by StarSword

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#40: Feb 5th 2013 at 5:50:52 PM

[up] Looks good as a start. I made some formatting tweaks.

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#41: Feb 6th 2013 at 9:47:41 AM

What else needs to happen to finish Spoony Bard?

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#42: Feb 6th 2013 at 9:58:07 AM

The other trope mentioned in the crowner.

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#43: Feb 6th 2013 at 4:56:49 PM

I mean, what do we do with it? Are we keeping the Spoony Bard name for the character type and splitting off the Mechanically Unusual Class examples, or what?

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#44: Feb 7th 2013 at 12:29:53 AM

Keep Spoony Bard for the character type.

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#45: Feb 7th 2013 at 7:36:51 AM

I'd avoid keeping the name. A) The crowner doesn't mention what fate should befall the name so saying we must keep it is kinda jumping the gun. and B) the name seems responsible for alot of the issues. It's bound to attract more "Character X is a Bard" examples.

Spoony Character would at least avoid any needless association with bards.

Hell, the Trope Namer isn't even an example of a Quirky Tagalong Character - besides being a romantic, he's not particularly more quirky than the rest of the party.

edited 7th Feb '13 7:40:40 AM by CobraPrime

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#46: Feb 10th 2013 at 3:41:55 AM

Yeah. Shall we get a Single Proposition crowner going to get this renamed?

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#47: Feb 10th 2013 at 2:40:47 PM

Somebody made one already here. I suggest we just retool it, come up with some names that aren't Mechanically Unusual Class, and paste it.

I've already added Bards Are Weirdos as a possible name.

edited 10th Feb '13 2:42:57 PM by StarSword

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#48: Feb 10th 2013 at 2:42:28 PM

That crowner is more than two years old. And we still need the rename crowner before.

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#49: Feb 10th 2013 at 2:45:33 PM

Sorry, this is my first time doing any kind of serious work in the TRS. Starting the rename crowner.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/crowner.php/SingleProposition/SpoonyBard

edited 10th Feb '13 2:46:47 PM by StarSword

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#50: Feb 10th 2013 at 2:52:23 PM

To wiz, the rename procedure is on When To Rename A Trope.

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PageAction: SpoonyBard
14th Apr '12 3:43:24 PM

Crown Description:

We're determining the definition of the trope "Spoony Bard", which is fundamentally about character classes in an RPG (be it tabletop RPG, video game RPG, or story about an RPG).

The various options are mutually compatible. You can vote up or down any combination.

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