General Page Quote Discussion:

I removed the second quote from Clarke's Third Law.

Pretty sure it's safe to zap, but just to be complete, the quote on Steel Mill does just about nothing to actually illustrate or otherwise portray the trope.

Anyone wish to speak in defense of the accused before the execution?

None at all.

I still need input for the quote in Motion Capture. Even if my alternative suggestion in in @3042 isn't good enough, I think the current quote need to go (since, again, it tells us absolutely nothing about what the trope is actually about)

And I just found another useless quote in Unresolved Sexual Tension where nothing about the trope is explained in the slightest. The quote from When Harry Met Sally... is way better. Thoughts?

edited 5th Jan '15 2:06:38 AM by Adept

Kill the current Unresolved Sexual Tension quote. Completely useless.

Swapped out Unresolved Sexual Tension's quote.

@Motion Capture: Current is 100% useless. I agree with replacing it with the suggested quote from post 3042.

edited 7th Jan '15 11:54:03 PM by MyTimingIsOff

Another discovered via a forum wick: Bling of War

Two quotes, and even after removing the potholes neither of them seem to focus directly on the trope itself, excessive amounts of shiny shit on combat (as opposed to dress) uniforms.

I've replaced the quote in Motion Capture.

I think the first one is more relevant to the trope, since the second one is more of a subversion.

See anything useful on the work or quote page?

Bling doesn't have a quotes page, didn't look through the examples.

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And on another note, Continuity Nod and Continuity Lock-Out both have the same quote. I think it applies better to Lockout, and none of the quotes on Continuity Nod seem all that good a replacement.

From the examples page of Bling of War, I think I like the Napoleon Bonaparte quote from the Real life folder.

edited 9th Jan '15 12:17:16 AM by Adept

Vapor Wear: The quote is referencing a The Emperors New Clothes scenario, which while vaguely related isn't this trope. Even if the work was relevant, the quote itself isn't.

The context within the game makes it even less relevant, because the"new clothes" lead to the main character going on a journey in his (very conservative) pajamas... in other words, only his underwear.

The quote from No One Could Survive That! doesn't nail the spirit of the trope, IMO. The immediate assurance that the hero will have survived is more an example of Plot Armor. I suggest this quote from the quotes page:

Croc: But we saw you fall to your death!
Oogway: No, you saw me fall.
— Kung Fu Panda: Secrets of the Masters

edited 9th Jan '15 1:36:30 PM by eroock

Sounds more like Never Found the Body.

~Tiny Ted Danson swapped out the Unfortunate Implications quote a few months back. Looking at it the new quote does completely miss the point of the trope.

@3062: That quote makes absolutely no sense, and isn't even an example. I've removed it.

edited 12th Jan '15 3:16:39 AM by Adept

I've noticed there is no quote on the page Steel Mill. Here's my pitch:

"You can't work in a steel mill and think small. Giant converters hundreds of feet high. Every night, the sky looked enormous. It was a torrent of flames - of fire." - Jack Gilbert

Lots of potholing going on in the quote for Psychic Block Defense.

I decided to add the quote.

EDIT: Fixed the potholing too. What's up with the obsession of potholing to everything when it stands up just fine without potholing? Does potholing add emphasis to words, like italics?

edited 15th Jan '15 2:26:51 PM by Charbydis

I don't quite know why potholing has become so negatively viewed; it seems like a good way of potentially making people aware of tropes they didn't know about.

I can certainly understand the objection to sinkholing, but the tropes in that quote seemed obviously related to what they were linked to.

The only reason I need is that pot holing in page quotes is expressly against wiki policy. Otherwise I couldn't care less, unless the Pot Hole is self-referential, nonsensical, or otherwise useless and unfunny.

edited 15th Jan '15 3:05:48 PM by SolipSchism

Most of the potholes involved in page quotes have been either trying to shoehorn the quote to fit the trope, or useless that's-obvious potholing.

The first undermines the point that the page quote is supposed to sum up the trope or represent the work on its own, without assists. If it needs potholes to fit, then it doesn't fit. Every quote potholed in this fashion that's come up here has had a better replacement from the quotes page or the examples. And potholing a workpage to itself makes no sense whatsoever.

The second has a few issues. If you have to know a character is, for example, The Archer for a quote to make sense, it runs into the first point. If the character being the Archer is not necessary for the quote to fit, then it's a Sinkhole and pointless. On a work page, either they don't know the character is the Archer and will find out, with detail, as they read the pages, or they do know and don't need it potholed in the page quote.

If a trope fits the work, it'll likely be on the work's page, particularly for the larger fandoms. On trope pages, other tropes are potholed in the examples all the time, to the point of being one of the reasons for the Sinkhole policy.

It's very easy to make a pothole a sinkhole and quotes need to stand up on their own.

So, I'm guessing that most of you have seen this particular quote before:

"Hello. My Name Is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to Die."

— Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride

By my count, it shows up on no fewer than five pages, and always potholed in that way to make an All Blue Entry (with Title Drop or Trope Namers replacing one of them as appropriate)—except on You Killed My Father, where SWF Max removed the potholes a few weeks ago. My question is: Is there any sort of Grandfather Clause protection that says the potholes on the other trope pages shouldn't be stripped away as well?

And while we're on the subject, is it really best to use the same quote for so many different pages?

edited 19th Jan '15 4:56:19 AM by MrL1193