Too many tropes being labeled "Medium-specific"?

We already have tropes for the mode shifts - we have tropes like Breather Episode, Filler, and so on. No need to overload other tropes (like settings or events) with them.

Yes, people can be capable of making the leap from Camping Episode to non-episodic works, especially if you have a lot of people over a long time. But by saying that the trope is for parts of episodic works, one requires a larger associative leap by contributors to come up with examples that are not parts of episodic works.

Ie, the trope name acts as a question, and I'd prefer that question to to be specific (to the trope concept) while not being exclusive (of things that are not integral to the trope concept). Which is encapsulated in the concept of Concise in Clear Concise Witty.

The fact that lots of tropers frequently use words like "act", "chapter", or "issue" is frankly another reason why the "episode" word in the trope name isn't needed and arguably is harmful, because tropers feel the need to include those words in the examples, leading to Word Cruft.

Not all of them are breather or filler episodes. A lot of them use the change of setting to further the plot too. (And I said that) The point is to change the setting to mix things up, and keep the audience interested. I hardly see how that's "overloading" other tropes.

Good thing I didn't say that then. I was saying for non-episodic works people are smart enough to separate the part out that's about that setting and use it the same way as an episodic work. Like how one chapter in a book is a Christmas Episode, but the rest wouldn't be.

That depends on which you think is which. I'd argue it is integral to the trope concept, because it allows the story to make a change, and mix it up in a way that keeps the audience's interest. And that's different enough to be a distinction from just using the same setting for every event in the plot. Which if it's used for every event in the plot that would just be "story takes place in setting", and that's pretty Chairsy. It's almost not worth mentioning. But putting a character into a new setting, and seeing how he reacts to it is a writing technique, that's very effective, and has been used for a very long time.

Shanghai Slave also does a very good job of explaining a lot of this better than me in the thread: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=jar5aamom8gpvrm7636r1gu4

And as we've discussed before. This isn't even media specific, these episode tropes cover a broad range of media already, with many different sections. The only way you could argue it's media specific is by splitting hairs over the title. And the title is something that should be discussed in YKTTW.

edited 4th Oct '13 7:15:51 AM by xanderiskander

I think you are conflating two things here, namely where a story is placed and what role a given part of a story serves in the larger story.

If every camping trip (or beach visit) served the same role within the larger story, eg by acting as breathers, then the trope should make that relation clear, eg using the name Camping Episodes Are Breathers or similar. That way the trope name puts the relation front and center.

But by using Camping Episode you are implying a relation with the larger story, without giving any hint on what the relation is, and we will be missing a trope that describes the setting.

Besides, anything special about the relationship between camping episodes and being a breather from an ongoing story arc is already covered by Breather Episode. The story premise itself need not be limited to episodic stories.

The Revolution Will Not Be Tropeable

Realised we have a whole set of medium-specific tropes related to larger works that are seralised or fix-ups (compilations).

Serialisations

• Serial Novel
• Web Serial Novel (as above, but on the Internet!)

But serialisations are also common in comics (eg Heart of Empire by Bryan Talbot) and one of the standard forms of Webcomics, eg Girl Genius.

Fixups/compilations

• Patchwork Story (misleading name here, I think)
• Compilation Movie

Note that serialisations, fixups/compilations, and then simply anthologies/varietés all occupy a sliding scale. Eg Lone Wolf and Cub has elements of both serialisation and of fixup/compilation.

Created an YKTTW supertrope as a way to structure and connect the various way to seralialise, split up, and join smaller works into larger ones.

Serialised work YKTTW

Note that this is merely the first such YKTTW, I think we will need several new supertropes.

Day in the Life. Says it's about episodes, but among the examples listed you find Literature/Ulysses and One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich as examples.

"Episode" can easily be switched out for "story".

And another one: Missing Main Character. This one's written specifically for video games, but the name's quite general, and there's an YKTTW (fanfic-only, for some reason) that follows the same concept.

Agree with Day in the Life, but how does Missing Main Character apply to non-video-game works? It seems to me that the title is just too broad.

The Revolution Will Not Be Tropeable

See this YKTTW

Interface Spoiler

Worm, a Web Serial Novel, is published as a series of blog posts, with each post tagged with the characters appearing in it. However, the character tags sometimes include minor spoilers, such as revealing Atlas's name before he's named in story, or revealing the identity of Golem early. It seems like this falls under Interface Spoiler, but the description of Interface Spoiler makes it sound like it's videogame specific.

Blind Final Fantasy 6 Let's Play

Phenotype Stereotype's description is very Japanese specific even though it occurs frequently in other forms of media besides anime and other Japanese media. I don't really understand why its written that way. I mean something like the Irish often being depicted with red hair and green eyes is not confined to anime at all.

edited 19th May '14 5:22:20 PM by MacronNotes

Macron's notes

Bump.

Macron's notes

There are a couple of trivia items I'd like to have renamed because they're not really limited to movies. However, I don't want to even mention them here if we can only discuss renaming them on the Repair Shop That Is Always Full.

We've changed the way the TRS and IP forums work. Instead of a hard cap, the mods are assessing each proposed new thread to see if it has merit before opening it or declining to do so. This means go ahead and make the Opening Post for a thread, but make sure that you make a solid case in it for the repair you're proposing. If you do, we'll open it. If you don't, we won't.

edited 19th May '14 4:39:42 PM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

Oh hey, I didn't realise that. Excellent.

The Revolution Will Not Be Tropeable

Here's another one: War Has Never Been So Much Fun

It's videogame specific in its description, but it has a list of examples from other media, and a media-agnostic YKTTW started a while ago.

Can War Has Never Been So Much Fun be fixed without any further action, or should this go via TRS?

I am rather dubious about the validity of the non-game examples on War Has Never Been So Much Fun. The YKTTW is much better, but the examples look quite different from these on this trope.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Good Morning, Crono is now written with a focus on video games and RPGs in particular, though it's really a Beginning Trope with little bearing on gameplay, and it has accumulated many non-video game examples.

References to the use of the trope in video games (like the Awkward Zombie example) should stay, but the real-life examples should definitely go.

I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.

I stumbled upon a paragraph in Even the Girls Want Her, describing a very specific type of lady used in certain anime and manga works and using it to say that the trope is mostly limited to anime. However, near as I can tell, the concept, in and of itself, is very general and hardly limits itself to anime and manga.

Also, the number of anime/Japanese examples, and non-anime/Japanese examples are roughly equal in number, regardless, and as LGBT acceptance grows in the western world, I suspect we'll see more and more none western examples of this trope.

However, I would prefer to discuss that here before dumping that paragraph (or spinning it off as its own trope, perhaps).

My troper wall

There is a difference between lesbians are attracted to a female character and what this trope seems to be describing, which is otherwise straight girls going all fan-girlish to an almost romantic degree over the female School Idol.

EDIT PS: I think this might require a TRS thread to either clean up the example, rename the trope, redefine the trope, or some combination thereof. Anyone else want to take that on, since I hardly spend much time at TV Tropes anymore?

edited 27th Aug '15 5:01:01 AM by Catbert

There is a huge cultural thing attached to it so spinning it off into another trope might be good, no real adult will ever be attached to that trope in Japan unless its a straight up lesbian.

Its part of the so-called Class-S Schoolgirl relationships where girls get really really REALLY close but arn't lesbians and they grow out of it. Gender is an absolute non-factor till they actually meet a guy.

Many times it boils down to 'if they dont kiss then they arn't not a lesbian or even bi'.

edited 30th Aug '15 6:29:33 AM by Memers

I think splitting off the cultural specific trope of Class S Schoolgirl Romance would probably be for the best.

edited 30th Aug '15 12:30:40 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

We were supposed to do that years ago, to help clarify some of the misuse of Schoolgirl Lesbians and "Romantic" Two-Girl Friendship, but for some reason it never happened. Anyone want to check the TRS morgue for the threads, see what happened?