But it's still a long name, right?: Half Truth

Yeeah so I remember when this trope was "Jedi Truth" and then it was questioned if the word "Jedi" really expressed the gist of it.

But wanting to use those words today in some context, it occurred to me that,

This trope is none other than what is known as a "technical truth" or a "half-truth", for those of us mere mortals who had not yet had their vocabulary altered to tvtropespeak.

So I wonder, did that option just not occur to anyone back then? Or is there some sort of advantage to a longer, more difficult to use movie reference name?

I have added a redirect from "technical truth" today and I'm considering adding a link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-truth, because they really have quite a good set of articles (with pages like "contextomy", "duck test" and others that could even be brought over directly if we ever wanted as they are quite common in themselves).

Eh? I am fine with the name.

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!

Make a redirect? Redirects Are Free. Wait... That's done. What are we discussing then? 29 characters is ungodly long so we must rename?

IIRC From a Certain Point of View was chosen coz it kept the reference to the old trope namer.

edited 28th Apr '11 5:16:26 AM by Ghilz

Techincal Truth and Half-Truth added as redirects.

Fight smart, not fair.

...Technical Truth is on the redirect list twice.

Fucking ninjas, fucking with the code.

It was red before, I'm hollering to get some attention.

edited 28th Apr '11 10:27:16 AM by Deboss

Fight smart, not fair.

Was this officially renamed, then? I was looking for the discussion where we (or at least someone) decided to do that and this is all I found.

she her hers hOI!!! i'm tempe

Eddie was acting unilaterally. Should we PM him about that?

I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.

what the hell? We can rename pages without discussions now?

If you're Fast Eddie you can. If you aren't Fast Eddie it's still a fast track to bandom. And he does it only very rarely.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

Oh come on, why is this even a wiki? This is an absurd rename, completely unneeded and really offensive in it's execution.

Creed of the Happy Pessimist:Always expect the worst. Then, when it happens, it was only what you expected. All else is a happy surprise.

To recap, using the custom title feature for rename purposes:

• Creates a disconnect between the Wiki Word (as viewed in article source) and rendered wikitext/URL.
• Breaks alphabetization on all index and work page listing, requires fixing manually.
• Breaks grammatical integration of wikiwords in surrounding sentences, requires fixing manually. (In this case specifically: "only makes sense From a Certain Point of View" -> "only makes sense half-truth")

Really Nice Job Breaking It, Hero.

edited 27th May '11 6:36:41 PM by Stratadrake

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.

He moved them the old fashioned way Stratadrake.

It's still lame considering it was a name chosen in a previous discussion. Way to give the finger to everyone who took part.

Eh, no he didn't. If this rename is going to be retroactively officiated then it needs to be done properly, and that includes re-alphabetizing every index and work page linking to the trope. Which is, what, over 300 pages?

Also, per official regulations, an article with 300+ wikilinks and 2000+ inbounds, is working barring evidence of misuse. "I like this name better" is not grounds for renaming, Word of Mod or not.

edited 27th May '11 6:38:17 PM by Stratadrake

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.

Another vote to change it back. Mods shouldn't be able to completely ignore guidelines. Rule 1: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I think you're not getting what Ghilz said here.

The custom title feature was not used to effect this rename. From a Certain Point of View still reads as before (in fact, it has a custom title putting it in proper title case). All the places where someone used the wikiword look exactly like they did before. "The old-fashioned way" is the whole "make a new page, copy the content from old page to new page, change old page into redirect" process that doesn't break things.

edited 27th May '11 7:05:35 PM by billybobfred

she her hers hOI!!! i'm tempe

Anybody got proof that it was Fast Eddie who did it? He's the only one who's officially allowed to unilaterally make changes. That doesn't mean he's the only one who ever tries it.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

Well, it is his name in the edit histories.

she her hers hOI!!! i'm tempe

Changed the tag to Half-Truth so people will actually see it when they land on the page.

And again, just because Fast Eddie owns the site doesn't mean he should be able to do something with zero discussion. In theory, he should just be the oldest troper, who can enact changes decided on by the troper hive mind.

Wow.

... Not sure what else to say, really. No point. Fast Eddie is, I am sure, a very nice guy who, if someone asks him really really nicely, may deign to listen to some of the people here who don't like the change, possibly, unless he decides not to.

He owns the site so he has that right, technically speaking.

Of course it's still not terribly nice or polite or right from some other points of view, and certainly doesn't mesh well with the idea of the site as a community or a wiki, and certainly seems a bit inconsiderate of the community that has grown up around the site, but none of that really matters, does it?

In before: 1) People saying it's a small change and therefore doesn't deserve discussion, 2) claims that any unhappiness with the change is just a product of the Slippery Slope Fallacy, and 3) possibly Fast Eddie himself sarcastically talking about what an evil dictator he is, har har.

edited 27th May '11 7:47:42 PM by girlyboy

Did anyone PM Eddie? It will take three seconds to change this back, then we can get a single-prop crowner on renaming and whatnot, but I don't want to get hit by the banhammer for trying.

Why would we go to a crowner? No problems have been demonstrated with the old trope name yet. First someone should show that there's misuse or not enough wicks or something, and then we can have a crowner.

Unless you own the wiki, of course.

Yes, it's very nice that if someone PMs someone maybe this could be changed back.

Why did this happen in the first place?

edited 27th May '11 7:57:19 PM by girlyboy

I figured we could do a crowner to absolutely prove no one had a problem with the trope. But as your signature points out, it doesn't really matter if people don't like the name, as long as its being used correctly. From a Certain Point of View has lots of correct usage and inbounds, so that's moot.

[EDIT] @Billybobfred: .... Okay, I see you now. Not at time of making this post, but later.

Feel free to ignore the rest of this post.

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The following articles link to From a Certain Point of View in a manner that would not grammatically match a custom-title-as-rename:

edited 27th May '11 9:44:43 PM by Stratadrake

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.

Oh! Let me do that!

First, we got 369 wicks and two thousand inbounds.

Next, during my hourlong tangent through every last wikilink (whether my intent was even relevant or not, it still happened) I also found a portion of articles treating the trope name like a Stock Phrase shoehorning any old "if interpreted a certain way" in contexts that did not ivolve a half-truth occuring. I didn't take any exact numbers on this matter, but I'd estimate this at about ten percent (all of which logically post-rename from Jedi Truth).

For example...

That's not a half-truth at all, it's a perfectly sound statement considering that Jedi and Sith are opposing forces who each believe that their way is the right way.

In other words, yes, there actually is some misuse here to retroactively support a rename.

edited 27th May '11 9:49:00 PM by Stratadrake

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.