Expand or Rename (new crowner Oct 30): Victory Gloating

Seeing how the entire image picking thread misunderstood the trope we probably should do something to it.

Personally I think we should rename it to something like Unsportsmanlike Gloating gets the point across that its sport related and very rude.

edited 18th Feb '11 6:04:38 PM by Raso

I understood the meaning of the trope perfectly from the name alone. Before I clicked it I figured it would have been about unsportsman like bragging and insulting others because they lost.

I did too but everyone else connected it to Super Heroes (which I am not a fan so...)

Yeah, some confused it for a form of Evil Gloating.

BTW, your suggestion is great, but "unsportsmanlike" is one word, in case you didn't know.

Really? I was thinking it hada Hyphen in it. I feel stupider than normal... Baka English.

edited 18th Feb '11 6:12:16 PM by Raso

Erm... I don't see the problem?

If the I Thought It Meant isn't reflected in the wicks, we probably don't need to take any action here.

[1] here is the thread where the massive misunderstanding happened.

BUMP, since the Image Pickin thread just got resolved.

As suggested on that thread, Unsportmanlike Gloating sounds like a good rename, or at least a redirect.

Could we have a wicks check here?

edited 25th Jun '11 3:11:07 PM by chihuahua0

I'll try a wick check.

Trope Definition: When a winner of a sporting event taunts the losing team. (If I have that definition wrong, or too tight or loose, let me know).

Correct:

• Akagi
• Basketball
• Chase (Not sure on this one; it looks like game show contestants taunting others as they get an advantage, which isn't quite the same)
• Foot 2 Rue (Although I don't know the source, it's about football, so it looks right)
• Glee Other Major Characters (Again, don't know the source, but it's a cheerleading coach, so it looks right
• Hajime no Ippo
• Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality
• Sabrina The Teenage Witch
• Second Place Is for Losers
• Taunt Button
• TopGear.Tropes N-Z
• AvatarTheLastAirbender.Tropes Q-Z
• Truth in Television
• LargeHam.Western Animation
• Zoey 101 (I could be wrong, since I don't know the source, but the character the entry refers to seems to be a college jock, which would probably fit this)

Misuse:

• Air Force One - Evil Gloating (I think)
• Angel of Death - Evil Gloating
• Awesome.Artemis Fowl - Has nothing to do with sports
• Big Fat Liar - Evil Gloating
• Buffy The Vampire Slayer - Nothing to do with sports (although I haven't seen the episode, so I might be wrong there)
• WMG.Death Note - Nothing to do with sports
• Doctor Who S15 E1 "Horror of Fang Rock" - Nothing to do with sports
• Evil Gloating - Mistaken for Heroic Gloating
• Girl Genius and its character page - Evil Gloating
• Highlander - Evil Gloating, unless sword duels count as sporting events, in which case it's both
• Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2003) - Nothing to do with sports (I don't think, but I don't know the source)
• The Chaser's War On Everything - Nothing to do with sports
• Werewolf - Nothing to do with sports (I don't think)
• You Fool! - Both potholes are Evil Gloating

Unsure:

• Brainy Baby - A vague pothole. Doesn't seem to have to do with sports, but there's not enough information to be sure.
• Crowbar Benson - X Just X
• Death Note – Main Characters - Don't know the source well enough to call it, leaning on the side of misuse
• Fanboy And Chum Chum - Don't know the source
• Full Metal Panic - X Just X
• Iron Wok Jan - X Just X
• Lonely Wonk - Pothole on a contributor page, so could be this or could be Heroic Gloating
• Perfect Strangers - X Just X
• South Park - X Just X (Although it's Cartman, so I'm leaning on the side of misuse as Evil Gloating)
• The Thick Of It - Vague pothole, could go either way, but doesn't seem to be about sports

Results: 15 correct, 14 misuse, 10 unsure. So assuming best possible results, that would be 36% misuse, and assuming worst possible results, that would be 62% misuse.

edited 25th Jun '11 4:02:12 PM by JackAlsworth

Death Note is evil gloating... That is a ton of misuse.

As well as lack of page size makes me think it's getting glanced over as evil gloating as well.

I can confirm (from MST 3 K) that there is no sports in (Arizona) Werewolf.

I support renaming to Unsportsmanlike Gloating.

The Full Metal Panic one could be this if it's Fumoffu (edit: that was more pregame anyway so incorrect as well) otherwise it's Evil Gloating as well.

So quick single prop or just skip to the titles? The current name has had no support and the thread has been open for months.

edited 25th Jun '11 5:04:38 PM by Raso

Well, now that significant misuse has been proven... Hmm, not sure.

I think this is probably due for a Trope Transplant. The trope on the page can go to Unsportsmanlike Gloating, and then we make Victory Gloating a page for people gloating after the win.

That doesn't fit too much since most correct examples are Sports Victory Gloating unless we just want to expand it to all types of Victory Gloating but I am rather aganst that.

Heroic Gloating (done by the good guys) and Evil Gloating are the other tropes needed I think.

edited 26th Jun '11 9:38:08 AM by Raso

I just realized something - during my wick check, I included examples of people winning board games in the "correct section" (e.g. the Sabrina The Teenage Witch entry). I think my rationale was because tabletop games always seem similar to sports to me, in terms of the attitudes of the participants (heck, they show poker on ESPN!). But I just wanted to check: are those actual examples, or would they constitute misuse as well?

Ehh, questionable. The description refers specifically to The Big Game, which is specifically defined as a sports trope, so I think the intent was sports only.

But it's vague enough that I'm not sure.

I made a page action crowner here with rename and expand options. Feel free to add to it and point out any errors I may have made in its creation.

"The description refers specifically to The Big Game"

That was just a hypothetical situation. Any game will do.

Are we all happy with Unsportsmanlike Gloating as the new name?

No idea what in the description would make someone think it is about sports only. It is about gloating.

It's about gloating in a situation where it's considered bad form. So while it's not limited to sports, we don't have a more broad term that covered the bad form than "unsportsmanlike".

Hold on... I don't see why this can't overlap with Evil Gloating.

Unless I'm misreading the pages, Evil Gloating is when the villain gloats about their doings to the hero. Victory Gloating would be about gloating after one has won. Well, when a villain wins (either a stage or the whole struggle), wouldn't the villain be doing both?

Also, Unsportsmanlike Gloating would just be redundant - gloating is generally considered unsportsmanlike by default.

Finally, should there be a reference to Victory Quote in the description? Overlap between the two is commonplace.