Industrial Thread.

Try Einsturzende Neubauten, Throbbing Gristle, Coil, Nurse With Wound and other stuff of that ilk- the really old school stuff tends to be the most abrasive and out-there stuff in the genre.

edited 30th Nov '14 4:52:04 AM by sharkcrap11

Seconding the above selection.

I would add Clock DVA, Whitehouse (although it's closer to noise, there's still an industrial foundation to their music, and if you want abrasive, you won't get much more sandpaper-level than Whitehouse), Cabaret Voltaire, Front 242, Chris and Cosey (both from Throbbing Gristle, originally). Possibly some early Meat Beat Manifesto as well (the Armed Audio Warfare/Storm the Studio period mostly).

Sounds good, I'll give those a try.

F242 and MBM don't fall into the "early / Old-School Industrial" category though- more EBM in the first case and Electro-Industrial or just general Industrial-Dance in the latter. The Cabs and Clock DVA also kinda became EBM later on as well, but they started as Industrial in the original sense of the word, so I can't argue there...

Yeah I should've specified that for these it's mostly the early releases that count. F242 is probably the closest to EBM, but really early MBM (like the beta version of Armed Audio Warfare) sounds appropriately banging, though it could hardly be classified as purely industrial.

All these bands evolved later on, mostly into EBM (Cabaret Voltaire and Clock DVA) but sometimes into entirely different territory altogether : the final CDVA albums (from Man Amplified onwards) often end up sounding more like Kraftwerk/Drexciya-esque electro, MBM went from industrial/EBM/hip-hop roots to 90s Brit-electro-pop to straight up dub in the later records...

Fair enough. To me, Man-Amplified and the other later CDVA albums are a sorta Synth-Pop / EBM / Electro crossover thing. And MBM never abandoned Industrial IMO, they just combined it with damn near everything...

On the subject of Old-School Industrial, I'd also recommend Test Dept., Severed Heads (though they have an obvious Synth-Pop influence), SPK, early Laibach (also Martial, but the early work has enough in common with other Industrial groups of the era to count) and some of Psychic TV's work... Can't go wrong.

If we're gonna talk other Industrial subgenres, then I'd also recommend Front Line Assembly, early Haujobb, Wumpscut, X Marks The Pedwalk and especially Skinny Puppy on the Electro-Industrial front and Nitzer Ebb, DAF, Armageddon Dildoes and Bi God 20 on the EBM front.

edited 2nd Dec '14 7:09:00 AM by sharkcrap11

I'm thinking I'll divide the main Industrial page into the following subgenres (on the same page, much like how Death Metal and Black Metal are divided), with a few examples of each provided:

• Old-School Industrial- Throbbing Gristle, Cabaret Voltaire (early stuff), Einstürzende Neubauten, Chrome, Test Dept, Coil, Monte Cazazza, Foetus et al.
• Ambient-Industrial & Post-Industrial- Coil (mostly later on), Music/Current93, Zoviet France, Lustmord, In The Nursery, Psychic TV, Hafler Trio, Controlled Bleeding et al.
• Martial Industrial or Military Pop- Laibach, Von Thronstahl, Allerseelen, Les Joyaux De La Princesse, ACTUS et al.
• Electronic Body Music (EBM)- DAF, Cabaret Voltaire (later), Music/Front242, Nitzer Ebb et al.
• Futurepop- VNV Nation, Apoptygma Berserk, Covenant, Icon Of Coil, Ayria et al.
• Electro-Industrial (including Aggrotech and Dark Electro)- Skinny Puppy, Front Line Assembly, Haujobb, Leatherstrip, X Marks The Pedwalk, Wumpscut, Angel Spit, Funker Vogt, yelworC et al.
• Electro-Goth or Gothic Industrial- Project Pitchfork, L Ame Immortelle, Die Form, Das Ich et al. (Overlaps a LOT with Darkwave)
• Industrial Hip Hop- Meat Beat Manifesto, Consolidated, Disposable Heroes Of Hiphoprisy, Saul Williams, Death Grips et al.
• Power Noise or Rhythmic Noise- Noisex, Imminent Starvation, Converter, Antigen Shift et al.
• Power Electronics (not to be confused with the above) and Death Industrial- Whitehouse, Philip Best, Ramleh, Genocide Organ, Brighter Death Now, Atrax Morgue et al.
• Harsh Noise, which already has its own page.
• Industrial Metal, which already has its own page.

That's about it, though I do have a few issues:

• Should Electro-Goth or Gothic Industrial even be on this list? Cause I know some people consider it a separate genre, but a lot of it to me seems like either gloomier Electro-Industrial or harder-edged Darkwave...
• I consider Aggrotech and Dark Electro to be subgenres of Electro-Industrial, but I'm sure some people consider them separate things.
• I've heard the term "Post-Industrial" used in two different ways- namely, as a catchall term for all of the above genres except for Old-School Industrial and (sometimes) Industrial Metal, or to describe a genre that overlaps with Ambient Industrial and to a lesser extent Martial and which often has Folk, Classical or World Music influences.

Clarification on the above would be pretty helpful, so feel free to comment. I feel this should be discussed before I make any changes to the article.

I've started making the changes mentioned in the above post. This will take a while, though, so bear with me. Others are free to help, of course. I really do feel that the page needed a bit of revsion, hence making these changes to begin with...

I apologize in advance for any trouble this may cause.

Okay, I've made all the changes I'm gonna make for the time being- the list has been moved up the page and divided into (some) of the categories I outlined a while back. Also added a bunch more bands/artists to it... I'm done for now.

I'm only really familiar with Nine Inch Nails, Apoptygma Berserk, and Cyborg Attack. I like them. Throbbing Gristle are good but they're a little too extreme for my tastes. Though I do like me some industrial metal. Fear Factory, Strapping Young Lad, Zyklon, and I guess if you want to count them, Mindgrinder.

Any recommendations?

edited 10th Mar '15 8:40:57 PM by Scolipendra

If you like Apop, then I'd definitely recommend other Futurepop acts like VNV Nation, Icon Of Coil, And One, Covenant, Assemblage23 and Ayria. I assume you're talking early Apop and not the newer, Alternative Dance stuff, right? Not that that stuff's bad or anything, but it's quite different than the older stuff...

I've actually never heard of Cyborg Attack, what do they play?...

Thanks for the recommendations. I like early Apop too, but their later stuff isn't bad. I'm checking out Covenant.

Cyborg Attack play EBM and Aggrotech. The story of how I found them is kinda funny. I was bored and looking for stuff in the iTunes store. For some reason I looked up "Hammer Smashed Face," which is a Cannibal Corpse song. But I found the Cyborg Attack song with that name, and it's completely different. Looking back they're a little generic, but cool nonetheless.

I'm really feeling NIN. The local rock station only plays "Head Like a Hole," "The Hand That Feeds," "Closer," and if you request them, "Down In It" and "Hurt." They have so many songs, yet they're underrepresented there.

edited 18th Mar '15 5:59:35 PM by Scolipendra

Has anyone here ever heard anything by Bile? The more I look for fans, the more I become convinced that I made them up, and have hallucinated everything about them. (on the bright side, this means I can take credit for the wonderful line "She's seen more rods than the Twilight Zone".)