YMMV / Invincible


YMMV Tropes For The Comic Book Invincible:

  • Alas, Poor Scrappy: In-universe example: Rex Splode. Few people would have admitted to liking him when he was alive, but those who knew him were all very much hurt by his death.
  • Arc Fatigue: The "Robot Takes Over The World" arc. In a comic that seemingly prided itself in being fast-paced (to the point that the obligatory Crisis Crossover was an issue long), this arc has (comparatively) dragged on. Doesn't helps that Robot is seemingly unstoppable.
  • Badass Decay: Its debatable if Mark has suffered through this. Although justified as he hasn't been the same ever since Anissa raped him.
  • Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy: Starting out as a light-hearted superhero comic, it quickly takes a nosedive into Darker and Edgier territory, as the bad guys come out of the woodwork to heap piles of shit on Mark, killing thousands of people before he's able to put them down, assuming they don't get personal and attack Eve or his mother. That SHIELD expy he works for? Employs psychotic killers to make cyborg zombies that are fully aware and horrified at their own existence and more than once tries to kill Mark for not marching to the beat of their drum. After a while it gets hard to care.
    • Mark not only letting a villain take over the earth but abandoning it as well didn't help much either. And there's the villain being pretty much invincible to those heroes that are still around on Earth.
    • Nolan, now Emperor of the Viltrumites, agreeing to a truce with Robot to protect his people, and shooting down the idea of fighting him. Looking at the characters' many horrible actions in the past, its hard to feel any sympathy for the decision whatsoever.
    • And there's Anissa raping Mark and his reactions to the fact (like hating being intimate with Eve. There is also Anissa's constant mocking of Mark afterwards with said fact). Whatever things could have been done to drop her over the Moral Event Horizon, the writers could not have chosen one that made more people sickened.
    • You also have the massive amounts of Gorn shown in the comic. Sometimes it comes off as cheap shock value.
    • Anyone Can Die is enforced in the most brutal ways possible (which comes back to the aforementioned Gorn issue).
    • Its also less about superheroes helping people but more about superheroes so caught up in their own problems that they're more than willing to let villains roam free and rule with an iron fist.
    • Mark is given the chance to go back in time and undo all the bad things that have happened since he got his powers. After much Wangst (some of it understandable, like not wanting to risk the possibility of his daughter Terra ending up Ret Gone), he declines doing any changes (even if would save countless lives, which the alien points out repeatedly) and the alien that put him back in time brings him back to the "present"... and the battle he was supposed to assist on went to absolute shit without him and the arc ends with the Cliffhanger possibility that his daughter was Ret Gone anyway.
  • Ensemble Darkhorse: The little-seen but hugely popular Allen the Alien. Kirkman has stated that, in his experience with the fandom, Allen is nearly everybody's favourite character. He's also Kirkman's favourite character, which is part of the reason why he hardly shows up; Kirkman's well aware that all it takes is a little overexposure to turn the Ensemble Darkhorse into The Scrappy.
    • Astounding Wolf-Man and Techjacket. Enough that they've both spun off into their own books and have pretty much become independent characters in their own right.
  • Like You Would Really Do It: In issue 63 Conquest appears to have killed Eve. She involuntarily heals herself the very next issue. In issue 100, Mark himself appears to have been killed within the first two pages by Dinosaurus. The succeeding pages show that Dinosaurus killed a clone of Mark, who's completely unharmed.
  • Moral Event Horizon:
    • Robot murdering various regular characters, heroes and villains alike, in his mission to take over the planet.
    • Anissa for beating down Mark after his girlfriend broke up with him and proceeds to rape him in the hopes of getting pregnant. She even taunts him later about how she wants to do it again.
  • Narm: Among other examples...
    • The sequence where Anissa rapes Mark does not lacks Squick and has a very long-lasting effect on Mark, however it loses some of the punch when every other frame during the sequence and flashbacks afterwards cuts to Anissa having an absurdly stereotypical "rape face" of wide eyes and dropped-mouth-bare-teeth-pseudo-Slasher Smile that she is occasionally licking the lips of.
  • Nightmare Fuel: Most of the more brutal fight scenes, especially ones involving Dinosaurus.
  • Rescued from the Scrappy Heap: Oliver became a lot more tolerable after he began to appreciate humans better.
  • The Scrappy: Oliver, deliberately so.
    • Robot. Just check out the villain sue section and you'll see why.
  • Unpopular Popular Character: Rex Splode.
  • Villain Sue: Robot appears to be dangerously close to this (or maybe he has crossed into this). Let us count the ways:
    • He is a sociopathic Well-Intentioned Extremist Bitch in Sheep's Clothing Villain with Good Publicity (so much of an Extremist that two of his harshest critics are his own abandoned wife and child);
    • His first move was to kill the majority of the superheroes on Earth (which was a Curb-Stomp Battle of epic, gory proportions, killing many beloved characters on-screen);
    • He manages to convince Mark to let him continue his villainy (a decision that disgusts Mark so much that he abandons Earth with Eve);
    • He creates a Utopia on Earth so well that nobody but his more hard-core haters can say he's wrong;
    • The remaining superheroes attempt to pull a resistance together, only to discover that there is absolutely no place to hide or run from him anywhere on Earth-he is just letting this resistance exist because he allows it;
    • On the same issue that showcases this, he manages to convince almost all amongst the resistance (except the ones who hate him the most, which includes the aforementioned wife and child) that he is in the right and they all do a Face–Heel Turn right there on the spot;
    • When they all leave, he tells the remaining resistance members that he will allow them to live for now and will wait their move (which will be either them turning to his side or doing a move that will allow him to pull whatever atrocity is needed to kill them all for good);
    • The alien governments (including Allen's and the Viltrumite remnant now governed by Nolan) absolutely refuse to do anything about Robot (because either Earth is an Insignificant Little Blue Planet in their eyes (and some even agree with what Robot is doing) or because survival comes first, even when Mark is pretty much begging);
  • What an Idiot: During his initial Face–Heel Turn, Nolan is completely shocked that Mark doesn't want to join him in conquering Earth. This after almost twenty years of raising him as nothing less than a good natured hero, making no attempt to inculcate his son with his race's Blue and Orange Morality growing up. Possibly justified in that, even if he didn't realize it yet, his time on Earth had changed him for the better.
  • What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids?: Played for Laughs in the 'Allen the Alien' issues, which always cut away from sex scenes, with Kirkman claiming he wants to keep the comic family friendly. These same issues tend to contain some of the most violent battles in the comic, the first having Allen's intestines and eye ripped out. It's a Shout-Out to the Moral Dissonance of the old Comics Code, which was very lenient towards violence but extremely conservative in regards to sexual content.
  • Wangst : With good reason for sure but Mark really needs to have someone tell him to get a grip.


YMMV Tropes For Invincible By Michael Jackson:

  • Black Sheep Hit: A possible inversion. While 13 million copies still dwarfs all album sales in the past decade, Invincible is seen as Jackson's worst album by default, as it's often compared to his past albums, which all sold over 20+ million copies.
  • Critical Dissonance: U.S. Reviews, while mixed, weren't very kind to the album, and (by Jackson's standards) it virtually bombed in its home territory, selling only two million copies. International sales and reviews, however, were much better.
  • Hype Backlash \ Overshadowed by Controversy: The main reasons for its underperforming.
  • Snark Bait: The album earned that, particularly on how it had a Non-Indicative Name - The typical joke was/is to say "Ha! MJ is certainly no longer invincible!" Even as it was followed by his career bottoming out as he left Sony.
  • Vindicated by History: While still regarded as his weakest solo album, many agreed after Jackson's passing that is was no where near as bad people said it was back in 2001.


Alternative Title(s): Michael Jacksons Invincible