YMMV / Invincible

YMMV Tropes For The Comic Book Invincible:

  • Alas, Poor Scrappy: In-universe example: Rex Splode. Few people would have admitted to liking him when he was alive, but those who knew him were all very much hurt by his death.
  • Arc Fatigue: The "Robot Takes Over The World" arc. In a comic that seemingly prided itself in being fast-paced (to the point that the obligatory Crisis Crossover was an issue long), this arc has (comparatively) dragged on. Doesn't help that Robot is seemingly unstoppable.
  • Badass Decay: It's debatable if Mark has suffered through this. Although justified as he hasn't been the same ever since Anissa raped him.
    • Averted. He got better.
  • Complete Monster: Grand Regent Thragg, ruler of the Viltrumite empire, continues the brutal traditions of only the strong surviving, conquest and genocide throughout the galaxy. Ordering the deaths of countless billions, Thragg leads his people against the heroic half-Viltrumite Markus "Mark" Grayson, resulting in the loss of their homeworld. Opting to lurk on earth to breed a new army of Viltrumites with the survivors, Thragg learns his Arch-Enemy, Mark's father Nolan, is the true heir of the empire. Thragg attempts to murder him, only to be defeated and exiled where he travels to a short lived species' world, taking it over and forcibly breeding thousands upon thousands of disposable half-Viltrumites who initially age quickly. Initiating a new war, Thragg attempts to wipe out entire worlds to establish the New Viltrumite Empire, using his own children as Cannon Fodder that he can send to literally break upon their enemy, dying pointlessly by the hundreds before attempting to destroy earth and his old Viltrumite followers now defending it. A cruel tyrant obsessed with his ideals of strength at the expense of all else, Thragg remained Mark's most personal foe and the author of endless misery.
  • Crowning Moment of Heartwarming: When Mark reunites with his family after being absent for five years, Terra, despite having never known her father personally until now, welcomes him with open arms.
    Mark: (crying) I was going to be there for you. Every day...I wanted to spend every day with you when I got back. I wanted to teach you things and...
    Terra: Daddy?
    Mark: I'm so sorry...
    Terra: It's okay...(hugs him)...I still love you.
    • Mark and Eve's wedding in issue 133.
    • After the Viltrumites move to Earth, Thragg had ordered them to interbreed with humans and stay out of their affairs otherwise, only to discover that without the toxic Viltrum culture to perpetuate itself, virtually ALL of them begin forming bonds just like Nolan had. One soldier has begun relationships with atleast 13 human women, but has repeatedly broken Thraggs orders to stay out of conflicts because he loves all of them and cant stand by and watch them die if he can stop it. Another man refuses to breed with more than one woman, because the one he's in a relationship with was hurt by cheating partners before, and he doesnt want to put her through it again.
  • Counterpart Comparison:
    • Naturally, with the Viltrumites being a race of space conquerors known for being really powerful Flying Bricks, have lead many readers to compare them with the Saiyans from Dragon Ball Z more than with the Kryptonians. Creator Robert Kirkman said he never heard of Dragon Ball when he created the Viltrumites, making the similarities a coincidence.
    • Some people even compare Mark with Gohan during the Majin Buu saga, where he was in a phase as the Great Saiyaman, a superhero parody who nobody took seriously, which is similar to Invincible trying to be an Ideal Hero in a very cinical world.
  • Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy: Though it starts out as a light-hearted superhero comic, it quickly takes a nosedive into Darker and Edgier territory, as the bad guys come out of the woodwork to heap piles of shit on Mark, killing thousands of people before he's able to put them down, assuming they don't get personal and attack Eve or his mother. That SHIELD expy he works for? Employs psychotic killers to make cyborg zombies that are fully aware and horrified at their own existence and more than once tries to kill Mark for not marching to the beat of their drum. After a while it gets hard to care.
    • Mark not only letting a villain take over the Earth but abandoning it as well didn't help much either. And there's the villain being pretty much invincible to those heroes that are still around on Earth.
      • This is particularly a grim and unwelcome bit of Character Development from the young man who was once willing to be beaten to death by his father rather than allow Earth to be ruled 'for its own good' by a superhuman with a Messiah complex.
    • Nolan, now Emperor of the Viltrumites, agreeing to a truce with Robot to protect his people, and shooting down the idea of fighting him. Looking at the characters' many horrible actions in the past, its hard to feel any sympathy for the decision whatsoever.
    • And there's Anissa raping Mark and his reactions to the fact (like hating being intimate with Eve. There is also Anissa's constant mocking of Mark afterwards with said fact). Whatever things could have been done to drop her over the Moral Event Horizon, the writers could not have chosen one that made more people sickened.
    • You also have the massive amounts of Gorn shown in the comic. Sometimes it comes off as cheap shock value, and the fact that a lot of the recipients end up surviving anyway, often in ways that feel like an Ass Pull only makes it feel cheaper.
    • Anyone Can Die is enforced in the most brutal ways possible (which comes back to the aforementioned Gorn issue).
    • The series feels less about superheroes helping people and more about 'heroes' so caught up in their own problems that they're more than willing to let villains roam free and rule with an iron fist.
    • Mark is given the chance to go back in time and undo all the bad things that have happened since he got his powers. After much Wangst (some of it understandable, like not wanting to risk the possibility of his daughter Terra ending up Ret Gone), he decides not to make any changes (even if would save countless lives, which the alien points out repeatedly) and the alien that put him back in time brings him back to the "present"... and the battle he was supposed to assist on went to absolute shit without him and the arc ends with the Cliffhanger that the five years he spent in the past were the same he was "disappeared" in the present and his kid grew up without him.
    • The series wastes no time in reminding us that heroes who aren't Mark, Allen, or members of Mark's alien heritage are inferior and are used as nothing but cannon fodder. So it makes it difficult to really give a crap about the rest of the characters.
    • Overall, there's a feeling that nothing Mark does really matters, as he can rarely stop anything without incurring massive casualties.
      • Averted in a major way with the final issue — though whether or not this mitigates all the previous events is up to the reader.
  • Ensemble Darkhorse: The little-seen but hugely popular Allen the Alien. Kirkman has stated that, in his experience with the fandom, Allen is nearly everybody's favourite character. He's also Kirkman's favourite character, which is part of the reason why he hardly shows up; Kirkman's well aware that all it takes is a little overexposure to turn the Ensemble Darkhorse into The Scrappy.
    • Astounding Wolf-Man and Techjacket. Enough that they've both spun off into their own books and have pretty much become independent characters in their own right.
  • Invincible Villain: Robot appears to be dangerously close to this (or maybe he has crossed into this). Let us count the ways:
    • He is a sociopathic Well-Intentioned Extremist Bitch in Sheep's Clothing Villain with Good Publicity (so much of an Extremist that two of his harshest critics are his own abandoned wife and child);
    • His first move was to kill the majority of the superheroes on Earth (which was a Curb-Stomp Battle of epic, gory proportions, killing many beloved characters on-screen);
    • He manages to convince Mark to let him continue his villainy (a decision that disgusts Mark so much that he abandons Earth with Eve);
    • He creates a Utopia on Earth so well that nobody but his more hard-core haters can say he's wrong;
    • The remaining superheroes attempt to pull a resistance together, only to discover that there is absolutely no place to hide or run from him anywhere on Earth-he is just letting this resistance exist because he allows it;
    • On the same issue that showcases this, he manages to convince almost all amongst the resistance (except the ones who hate him the most, which includes the aforementioned wife and child) that he is in the right and they all do a Face–Heel Turn right there on the spot;
    • When they all leave, he tells the remaining resistance members that he will allow them to live for now and will wait their move (which will be either them turning to his side or doing a move that will allow him to pull whatever atrocity is needed to kill them all for good);
    • The alien governments (including Allen's and the Viltrumite remnant now governed by Nolan) absolutely refuse to do anything about Robot (because either Earth is an Insignificant Little Blue Planet in their eyes (and some even agree with what Robot is doing) or because survival comes first, even when Mark is pretty much begging);
  • Like You Would Really Do It: In issue 63 Conquest appears to have killed Eve. She involuntarily heals herself the very next issue. In issue 100, Mark himself appears to have been killed within the first two pages by Dinosaurus. The succeeding pages show that Dinosaurus killed a clone of Mark, who's completely unharmed.
  • Moral Event Horizon:
    • Robot murdering various regular characters, heroes and villains alike, in his mission to take over the planet.
    • Anissa for beating down Mark after his girlfriend broke up with him and proceeds to rape him in the hopes of getting pregnant. She even taunts him later about how she wants to do it again.
    • Dinosaurus attempting to kill off eighty percent of the world's population, which doesn't quite succeed but still manages to kill almost a million people. Even he considers this to be unforgivable later, which leads to him asking Mark to kill him.
    • Just when you think Robot couldn't be any worse, at the end of issue 137, he beings kidnapping all of the Viltrumites' half-breed children and implies that he will force them become child soldiers! No doubt this will end well once their parents find out.... This is what finally convinces everyone, including the heroes who previously sided with Robot, that he needs to be stopped.
  • Narm: Among other examples...
    • The sequence where Anissa rapes Mark does not lack Squick and has a very long-lasting effect on Mark, however it loses some of the punch when every other frame during the sequence and flashbacks afterwards cuts to Anissa having an absurdly stereotypical "rape face" of wide eyes and dropped-mouth-bare-teeth-pseudo-Slasher Smile that she is occasionally licking the lips off.
  • Nightmare Fuel:
    • Most of the more brutal fight scenes, especially ones involving Dinosaurus.
    • Mark getting raped by Anissa.
  • Rescued from the Scrappy Heap: Oliver became a lot more tolerable after he began to appreciate humans better.
  • Signature Scene: Some scenes stand out, at least on the internet.
  • The Scrappy: Oliver, deliberately so.
    • Robot. Just check out the villain sue section and you'll see why.
  • Unpopular Popular Character: Rex Splode.
  • Villain Decay: Robot before the climax of the series: his drones are made of a metal that resonates at a Viltrumite-debilitating frequency when struck; his surveillance capabilities are so absolute that there are no resistance bases he doesn't know about; the results of his leadership are so unarguably worth it that the only people that continue to oppose him are those with personal vendettas against him; and even while suffering the heartbreak of attempting to kill the love of his life he was able to coordinate a global scale attack with only minor tactical errors. Robot during the climax of the series: the resonant metal, while mentioned, has no visibly adverse effects on any of the Viltrumites that smash it; Mark is able to meet with a number of heroes in a secret hideout without Robot being aware of it; there are heroes willing to side against Robot, thanks to him kidnapping Viltrumite children; and he lets his love cloud his judgement enough to expose which drone houses his body, allowing Mark to whisk him away from the rest of them. Considering he was an arguable Invincible Villain up to that point, some Villain Decay is really the only way that could have gone.
  • Villain Has a Point: After watching Viltrum get destroyed, a heartbroken and enraged Thragg beats Mark to a pulp while raging that what Invincible and the other Viltrumite traitors have done is worse than anything Thragg and his followers have done. How much of a point he has depends on whether you consider destroying someone's planet worse than being the overlord of an expansionist space empire that routinely engages in mass murder.
  • What an Idiot!:
    • During his initial Face–Heel Turn, Nolan is completely shocked that Mark doesn't want to join him in conquering Earth. This after almost twenty years of raising him as nothing less than a good natured hero, making no attempt to inculcate his son with his race's Blue and Orange Morality growing up. Possibly justified in that, even if he didn't realize it yet, his time on Earth had changed him for the better.
    • Cecil lying to Mark about Conquest being dead and keeping Conquest imprisoned to gain information from him, after Conquest wakes up from a coma, firmly places him in this territory. It's no surprise when, as soon as he awakens, Conquest breaks loose and flies off into space.
  • What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids?: Played for Laughs in the 'Allen the Alien' issues, which always cut away from sex scenes, with Kirkman claiming he wants to keep the comic family friendly. These same issues tend to contain some of the most violent battles in the comic, the first having Allen's intestines and eye ripped out. It's a Shout-Out to the Moral Dissonance of the old Comics Code, which was very lenient towards violence but extremely conservative in regards to sexual content.
  • Wangst : With good reason for sure but Mark really needs to have someone tell him to get a grip.
  • The Woobie: Mark's fiance breaks up with him and later Anissa rapes him when he's at his lowest, all in the same day. Even when he and Eve reconcile, the latter still haunts him.

YMMV Tropes For Invincible By Michael Jackson:

  • Critical Dissonance: U.S. Reviews, while mixed, weren't very kind to the album, and (by Jackson's standards) it virtually bombed in its home territory, selling only two million copies. International sales and reviews, however, were much better.
  • Ear Worm: This is still the King of Pop we're talking about here. We dare anyone not to dance along to "Unbreakable" or "You Rock My World."
  • Hype Backlash \ Overshadowed by Controversy: The main reasons for its underperforming.
  • Snark Bait: The album earned that, particularly on how it had a Non-Indicative Name - The typical joke was/is to say "Ha! MJ is certainly no longer invincible!" Even as it was followed by his career bottoming out as he left Sony.
  • So Okay, It's Average: What listeners eventually felt about it after the controversy about Jackson's personal life died down. By all accounts, yeah, it's not a great Michael Jackson album, and contains some of his more infamous post-Dangerous trademarks: songs that go on for a hundred years, borrowing from several then-popular styles of music and trying (and failing) to repeat the success of Thriller's title track. However, this is still the King of Pop, who refused to release anything unless he felt it was as flawless as possible, so the songs on their own are still good. It's telling that "You Rock My World" was the #1 downloaded song on iTunes the day MJ died and not, say, "Billie Jean" or "Don't Stop 'Till You Get Enough."
  • Vindicated by History: While still regarded as his weakest solo album, many agreed after Jackson's passing that is was no where near as bad people said it was back in 2001.

Alternative Title(s): Michael Jacksons Invincible