History YMMV / Invincible

8th Jul '16 8:20:48 PM Angeldeb82
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* BadassDecay: Its debatable if Mark has suffered through this. Although justified as he hasn't been the same ever since [[spoiler:Anissa raped him]].

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* BadassDecay: Its It's debatable if Mark has suffered through this. Although justified as he hasn't been the same ever since [[spoiler:Anissa raped him]].



* BlackSheepHit: A possible ''inversion''. While 13 million copies still dwarfs all album sales in the past decade, ''Invincible'' is seen as Jackson's worst album by default, as it's often compared to his past albums, which all sold over 20+ million copies.
8th Jul '16 8:18:30 PM Angeldeb82
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* ArcFatigue: The "Robot Takes Over The World" arc. In a comic that seemingly prided itself in being fast-paced (to the point that the obligatory CrisisCrossover was ''an issue long''), this arc has (comparatively) dragged on. Doesn't helps that Robot is seemingly unstoppable.

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* ArcFatigue: The "Robot Takes Over The World" arc. In a comic that seemingly prided itself in being fast-paced (to the point that the obligatory CrisisCrossover was ''an issue long''), this arc has (comparatively) dragged on. Doesn't helps help that Robot is seemingly unstoppable.



** Mark not only letting a villain take over the earth but abandoning it as well didn't help much either. And there's the villain being pretty much [[{{Irony}} invincible]] to those heroes that are still around on Earth.

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** Mark not only letting a villain take over the earth but abandoning it as well didn't help much either. And there's the villain being pretty much [[{{Irony}} invincible]] {{i|rony}}nvincible to those heroes that are still around on Earth.



** Robot [[spoiler: murdering various regular characters, heroes and villains alike, in his mission to take over the planet.]]
** Anissa [[spoiler:for beating down Mark after his girlfriend broke up with him and proceeds to rape him in the hopes of getting pregnant. She even taunts him later about how she wants to do it again.]]
** Dinosaurus [[spoiler: attempting to kill off eighty percent of the world's population, which doesn't quite succeed but still manages to kill almost a million people. Even he considers this to be unforgivable later, which leads to him asking Mark to kill him.]]

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** Robot [[spoiler: murdering various regular characters, heroes and villains alike, in his mission to take over the planet.]]
planet]].
** Anissa [[spoiler:for beating down Mark after his girlfriend broke up with him and proceeds to rape him in the hopes of getting pregnant. She even taunts him later about how she wants to do it again.]]
again]].
** Dinosaurus [[spoiler: attempting to kill off eighty percent of the world's population, which doesn't quite succeed but still manages to kill almost a million people. Even he considers this to be unforgivable later, which leads to him asking Mark to kill him.]]him]].



** The sequence where Anissa [[spoiler:rapes Mark]] does not lacks {{Squick}} and has a very long-lasting effect on Mark, however it loses some of the punch when every other frame during the sequence and flashbacks afterwards [[spoiler:cuts to Anissa having an absurdly stereotypical "rape face" of wide eyes and dropped-mouth-bare-teeth-pseudo-SlasherSmile that she is occasionally ''licking the lips of''.]]

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** The sequence where Anissa [[spoiler:rapes Mark]] does not lacks lack {{Squick}} and has a very long-lasting effect on Mark, however it loses some of the punch when every other frame during the sequence and flashbacks afterwards [[spoiler:cuts to Anissa having an absurdly stereotypical "rape face" of wide eyes and dropped-mouth-bare-teeth-pseudo-SlasherSmile that she is occasionally ''licking the lips of''.]]off'']].



* VillainSue: Robot appears to be dangerously close to this (or maybe he ''has'' crossed into this). Let us count the ways:
** He is a [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] WellIntentionedExtremist BitchInSheepsClothing VillainWithGoodPublicity (''so much'' of an Extremist that two of his harshest critics are ''his own abandoned wife and child'');
** His first move was to kill the majority of the superheroes on Earth (which was a CurbStompBattle of epic, gory proportions, killing many beloved characters on-screen);
** He manages to convince Mark to let him continue his villainy (a decision that disgusts Mark so much [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere that he abandons Earth with Eve]]);
** He creates a Utopia on Earth so well that ''nobody'' but his more hard-core haters can say he's wrong;
** The remaining superheroes attempt to pull a resistance together, only to discover that there is ''absolutely'' no place to hide or run from him ''anywhere'' on Earth-he is just letting this resistance exist ''because he allows it'';
** On the same issue that showcases this, he manages to convince almost all amongst the resistance (except the ones who hate him the most, which includes the aforementioned wife and child) that he is in the right and they all do a FaceHeelTurn right there on the spot;
** When they all leave, he tells the remaining resistance members that he will allow them to live for now and will wait their move (which will be either them turning to his side or doing a move that will allow him to pull whatever atrocity is needed to kill them all for good);
** The alien governments (including Allen's and the Viltrumite remnant now governed by Nolan) absolutely refuse to do anything about Robot (because either Earth is an InsignificantLittleBluePlanet in their eyes (and some even ''agree'' with what Robot is doing) or because survival comes first, even when Mark is pretty much begging);
*** All of this, plus ArcFatigue, is one of the many reasons why this series has reached DarknessInducedAudienceApathy levels.
30th May '16 10:21:43 AM Atlasth3rd
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** Dinosaurus [[spoiler: attempting to kill off eighty percent of the world, which doesn't quite succeed but still manages to kill almost a million people. Even he considers this to be unforgivable later, which leads to him asking Mark to kill him.]]

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** Dinosaurus [[spoiler: attempting to kill off eighty percent of the world, world's population, which doesn't quite succeed but still manages to kill almost a million people. Even he considers this to be unforgivable later, which leads to him asking Mark to kill him.]]
30th May '16 10:20:46 AM Atlasth3rd
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** Dinosaurus [[spoiler: attempting to kill off eighty percent of the world, which doesn't quite succeed but still manages to kill almost a million people. Even he considers this to be unforgivable later, which leads to him asking Mark to kill him.]]
30th May '16 10:10:14 AM Atlasth3rd
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** You also have the massive amounts of {{Gorn}} shown in the comic. Sometimes it comes off as cheap shock value.

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** You also have the massive amounts of {{Gorn}} shown in the comic. Sometimes it comes off as cheap shock value.value, and the fact that [[spoiler: a lot of the recipients end up surviving anyway, often in ways that feel like an AssPull]] only makes it feel cheaper.
29th May '16 6:02:52 PM Atlasth3rd
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** Overall, there's a feeling that nothing Mark does really matters, as he can rarely stop anything without incurring massive causualties.
7th Mar '16 10:42:53 AM worldbreaker
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** The series waste no time in reminding us that the other heroes who aren't Mark, Alan, or members of Mark's alien heritage are inferior and are used as nothing but canon fodder. So it makes it difficult to really give a crap about the rest of the characters.
22nd Feb '16 9:27:19 AM kalel32688
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* NightmareFuel: Most of the more brutal fight scenes, especially ones involving Dinosaurus.

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Most of the more brutal fight scenes, especially ones involving Dinosaurus.Dinosaurus.
** [[spoiler:Mark getting raped by Anissa.]]
11th Feb '16 6:38:38 PM DuelMark
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* BadassDecay: Its debatable if Mark has suffered through this. Although justified as he hasn't been the same ever since Anissa raped him.

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* BadassDecay: Its debatable if Mark has suffered through this. Although justified as he hasn't been the same ever since Anissa [[spoiler:Anissa raped him.him]].




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* TheWoobie: Mark's fiance breaks up with him and later [[spoiler:Anissa rapes him when he's at his lowest]], all in the same day. Even when he and Eve reconcile, the latter still haunts him.
30th Jan '16 11:59:31 AM youngbond007
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* VindicatedByHistory: While still regarded as his weakest solo album, many agreed after Jackson's passing that is was no where near as bad people said it was back in 2001.
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