History YMMV / Invincible

4th Dec '16 11:38:34 PM LBHills
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Starting out as a light-hearted superhero comic, it quickly takes a nosedive into DarkerAndEdgier territory, as the bad guys come out of the woodwork to heap piles of shit on Mark, killing thousands of people before he's able to put them down, assuming they don't get personal and attack Eve or his mother. That SHIELD expy he works for? Employs psychotic killers to make cyborg zombies [[AndIMustScream that are fully aware and horrified at their own existence]] and more than once tries to kill Mark for not marching to the beat of their drum. After a while it gets hard to care.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Starting Though it starts out as a light-hearted superhero comic, it quickly takes a nosedive into DarkerAndEdgier territory, as the bad guys come out of the woodwork to heap piles of shit on Mark, killing thousands of people before he's able to put them down, assuming they don't get personal and attack Eve or his mother. That SHIELD expy he works for? Employs psychotic killers to make cyborg zombies [[AndIMustScream that are fully aware and horrified at their own existence]] and more than once tries to kill Mark for not marching to the beat of their drum. After a while it gets hard to care.



** Its also less about superheroes helping people but more about superheroes so caught up in their own problems that they're more than willing to let villains roam free and rule with an iron fist.
** [[spoiler:Mark is given the chance to [[PeggySue go back in time and undo all the bad things that have happened since he got his powers]]. After much {{Wangst}} (''some'' of it understandable, like not wanting to risk the possibility of his daughter Terra ending up RetGone), [[StatusQuoIsGod he declines doing any changes]] ([[TheNeedsOfTheMany even if would save countless lives]], [[WhatTheHellHero which the alien points out repeatedly]]) and the alien that put him back in time brings him back to the "present"... and the battle he was supposed to assist on went to absolute shit without him and the arc ends with the {{Cliffhanger}} possibility that his daughter was RetGone ''anyway''.]]
** The series waste no time in reminding us that the other heroes who aren't Mark, Alan, or members of Mark's alien heritage are inferior and are used as nothing but canon fodder. So it makes it difficult to really give a crap about the rest of the characters.
** Overall, there's a feeling that nothing Mark does really matters, as he can rarely stop anything without incurring massive causualties.

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** Its also The series feels less about superheroes helping people but and more about superheroes 'heroes' so caught up in their own problems that they're more than willing to let villains roam free and rule with an iron fist.
** [[spoiler:Mark is given the chance to [[PeggySue go back in time and undo all the bad things that have happened since he got his powers]]. After much {{Wangst}} (''some'' of it understandable, like not wanting to risk the possibility of his daughter Terra ending up RetGone), [[StatusQuoIsGod he declines doing decides not to make any changes]] ([[TheNeedsOfTheMany even if would save countless lives]], [[WhatTheHellHero which the alien points out repeatedly]]) and the alien that put him back in time brings him back to the "present"... and the battle he was supposed to assist on went to absolute shit without him and the arc ends with the {{Cliffhanger}} possibility that his daughter was RetGone ''anyway''.]]
** The series waste wastes no time in reminding us that the other heroes who aren't Mark, Alan, Allen, or members of Mark's alien heritage are inferior and are used as nothing but canon fodder. So it makes it difficult to really give a crap about the rest of the characters.
** Overall, there's a feeling that nothing Mark does really matters, as he can rarely stop anything without incurring massive causualties.casualties.
4th Dec '16 11:20:48 PM LBHills
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** Mark not only letting a villain take over the earth but abandoning it as well didn't help much either. And there's the villain being pretty much {{i|rony}}nvincible to those heroes that are still around on Earth.

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** Mark not only letting a villain take over the earth Earth but abandoning it as well didn't help much either. And there's the villain being pretty much {{i|rony}}nvincible to those heroes that are still around on Earth.Earth.
*** This is particularly a grim and unwelcome bit of CharacterDevelopment from the young man who was once willing to be beaten to death by his father rather than allow Earth to be ruled 'for its own good' by a superhuman with a Messiah complex.
14th Nov '16 12:33:54 PM marcoasalazarm
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* InvincibleVillain: Robot appears to be dangerously close to this (or maybe he ''has'' crossed into this). Let us count the ways:
** He is a [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] WellIntentionedExtremist BitchInSheepsClothing VillainWithGoodPublicity (''so much'' of an Extremist that two of his harshest critics are ''his own abandoned wife and child'');
** His first move was to kill the majority of the superheroes on Earth (which was a CurbStompBattle of epic, gory proportions, killing many beloved characters on-screen);
** He manages to convince Mark to let him continue his villainy (a decision that disgusts Mark so much [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere that he abandons Earth with Eve]]);
** He creates a Utopia on Earth so well that ''nobody'' but his more hard-core haters can say he's wrong;
** The remaining superheroes attempt to pull a resistance together, only to discover that there is ''absolutely'' no place to hide or run from him ''anywhere'' on Earth-he is just letting this resistance exist ''because he allows it'';
** On the same issue that showcases this, he manages to convince almost all amongst the resistance (except the ones who hate him the most, which includes the aforementioned wife and child) that he is in the right and they all do a FaceHeelTurn right there on the spot;
** When they all leave, he tells the remaining resistance members that he will allow them to live for now and will wait their move (which will be either them turning to his side or doing a move that will allow him to pull whatever atrocity is needed to kill them all for good);
** The alien governments (including Allen's and the Viltrumite remnant now governed by Nolan) absolutely refuse to do anything about Robot (because either Earth is an InsignificantLittleBluePlanet in their eyes (and some even ''agree'' with what Robot is doing) or because survival comes first, even when Mark is pretty much begging);
*** All of this, plus ArcFatigue, is one of the many reasons why this series has reached DarknessInducedAudienceApathy levels.
5th Sep '16 8:27:11 PM NWolfman
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* SoOkayItsAverage: What listeners eventually felt about it after the controversy about Jackson's personal life died down. By all accounts, yeah, it's not a great Music/MichaelJackson album, and contains some of MJ's more infamous post-''Music/{{Dangerous}}'' trademarks: songs that [[EpicRocking go on for a hundred years]], borrowing from [[GenreAdultery several then-popular styles of music]] and trying (and failing) to repeat the success of ''Music/{{Thriller}}'''s title track. However, this is ''still'' the King of Pop, who refused to release ''anything'' unless he felt it was as flawless as possible, so the songs on their own are still good. It's telling that "You Rock My World" was the #1 downloaded song on iTunes the day MJ died and not, say, "Billie Jean" or "Don't Stop 'Till You Get Enough."

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* SoOkayItsAverage: What listeners eventually felt about it after the controversy about Jackson's personal life died down. By all accounts, yeah, it's not a great Music/MichaelJackson album, and contains some of MJ's his more infamous post-''Music/{{Dangerous}}'' trademarks: songs that [[EpicRocking go on for a hundred years]], borrowing from [[GenreAdultery several then-popular styles of music]] and trying (and failing) to repeat the success of ''Music/{{Thriller}}'''s title track. However, this is ''still'' the King of Pop, who refused to release ''anything'' unless he felt it was as flawless as possible, so the songs on their own are still good. It's telling that "You Rock My World" was the #1 downloaded song on iTunes the day MJ died and not, say, "Billie Jean" or "Don't Stop 'Till You Get Enough."
5th Sep '16 8:26:50 PM NWolfman
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* SoOkayItsAverage: What listeners eventually felt about it after the controversy about Jackson's personal life died down. By all accounts, yeah, it's not a great album, and contains some of MJ's more infamous post-''Music/{{Dangerous}}'' trademarks: songs that [[EpicRocking go on for a hundred years]], borrowing from [[GenreAdultery several then-popular styles of music]] and trying (and failing) to repeat the success of ''Music/{{Thriller}}'''s title track. However, this is ''still'' the King of Pop, and the songs on their own are good. It's telling that "You Rock My World" was the #1 downloaded song on iTunes the day MJ died and not, say, "Billie Jean" or "Don't Stop 'Till You Get Enough."

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* SoOkayItsAverage: What listeners eventually felt about it after the controversy about Jackson's personal life died down. By all accounts, yeah, it's not a great Music/MichaelJackson album, and contains some of MJ's more infamous post-''Music/{{Dangerous}}'' trademarks: songs that [[EpicRocking go on for a hundred years]], borrowing from [[GenreAdultery several then-popular styles of music]] and trying (and failing) to repeat the success of ''Music/{{Thriller}}'''s title track. However, this is ''still'' the King of Pop, and who refused to release ''anything'' unless he felt it was as flawless as possible, so the songs on their own are still good. It's telling that "You Rock My World" was the #1 downloaded song on iTunes the day MJ died and not, say, "Billie Jean" or "Don't Stop 'Till You Get Enough."
5th Sep '16 8:25:41 PM NWolfman
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* SoOkayItsAverage: What listeners eventually felt about it after the controversy about Jackson's personal life died down. By all accounts, yeah, it's not a great album, and contains some of MJ's more infamous post-''Music/{{Dangerous}}'' trademarks: songs that [[EpicRocking go on for a hundred years]], borrowing from [[GenreAdultery several then-popular styles of music]] and trying (and failing) to repeat the success of ''Music/{{Thriller}}'''s title track. However, this is ''still'' the King of Pop, and the songs on their own are good. It's telling that "You Rock My World" was the #1 downloaded song on iTunes the day MJ died and not, say, "Billie Jean" or "Don't Stop 'Till You Get Enough."
8th Jul '16 8:20:48 PM Angeldeb82
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* BadassDecay: Its debatable if Mark has suffered through this. Although justified as he hasn't been the same ever since [[spoiler:Anissa raped him]].

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* BadassDecay: Its It's debatable if Mark has suffered through this. Although justified as he hasn't been the same ever since [[spoiler:Anissa raped him]].



* BlackSheepHit: A possible ''inversion''. While 13 million copies still dwarfs all album sales in the past decade, ''Invincible'' is seen as Jackson's worst album by default, as it's often compared to his past albums, which all sold over 20+ million copies.
8th Jul '16 8:18:30 PM Angeldeb82
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* ArcFatigue: The "Robot Takes Over The World" arc. In a comic that seemingly prided itself in being fast-paced (to the point that the obligatory CrisisCrossover was ''an issue long''), this arc has (comparatively) dragged on. Doesn't helps that Robot is seemingly unstoppable.

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* ArcFatigue: The "Robot Takes Over The World" arc. In a comic that seemingly prided itself in being fast-paced (to the point that the obligatory CrisisCrossover was ''an issue long''), this arc has (comparatively) dragged on. Doesn't helps help that Robot is seemingly unstoppable.



** Mark not only letting a villain take over the earth but abandoning it as well didn't help much either. And there's the villain being pretty much [[{{Irony}} invincible]] to those heroes that are still around on Earth.

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** Mark not only letting a villain take over the earth but abandoning it as well didn't help much either. And there's the villain being pretty much [[{{Irony}} invincible]] {{i|rony}}nvincible to those heroes that are still around on Earth.



** Robot [[spoiler: murdering various regular characters, heroes and villains alike, in his mission to take over the planet.]]
** Anissa [[spoiler:for beating down Mark after his girlfriend broke up with him and proceeds to rape him in the hopes of getting pregnant. She even taunts him later about how she wants to do it again.]]
** Dinosaurus [[spoiler: attempting to kill off eighty percent of the world's population, which doesn't quite succeed but still manages to kill almost a million people. Even he considers this to be unforgivable later, which leads to him asking Mark to kill him.]]

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** Robot [[spoiler: murdering various regular characters, heroes and villains alike, in his mission to take over the planet.]]
planet]].
** Anissa [[spoiler:for beating down Mark after his girlfriend broke up with him and proceeds to rape him in the hopes of getting pregnant. She even taunts him later about how she wants to do it again.]]
again]].
** Dinosaurus [[spoiler: attempting to kill off eighty percent of the world's population, which doesn't quite succeed but still manages to kill almost a million people. Even he considers this to be unforgivable later, which leads to him asking Mark to kill him.]]him]].



** The sequence where Anissa [[spoiler:rapes Mark]] does not lacks {{Squick}} and has a very long-lasting effect on Mark, however it loses some of the punch when every other frame during the sequence and flashbacks afterwards [[spoiler:cuts to Anissa having an absurdly stereotypical "rape face" of wide eyes and dropped-mouth-bare-teeth-pseudo-SlasherSmile that she is occasionally ''licking the lips of''.]]

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** The sequence where Anissa [[spoiler:rapes Mark]] does not lacks lack {{Squick}} and has a very long-lasting effect on Mark, however it loses some of the punch when every other frame during the sequence and flashbacks afterwards [[spoiler:cuts to Anissa having an absurdly stereotypical "rape face" of wide eyes and dropped-mouth-bare-teeth-pseudo-SlasherSmile that she is occasionally ''licking the lips of''.]]off'']].



* VillainSue: Robot appears to be dangerously close to this (or maybe he ''has'' crossed into this). Let us count the ways:
** He is a [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] WellIntentionedExtremist BitchInSheepsClothing VillainWithGoodPublicity (''so much'' of an Extremist that two of his harshest critics are ''his own abandoned wife and child'');
** His first move was to kill the majority of the superheroes on Earth (which was a CurbStompBattle of epic, gory proportions, killing many beloved characters on-screen);
** He manages to convince Mark to let him continue his villainy (a decision that disgusts Mark so much [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere that he abandons Earth with Eve]]);
** He creates a Utopia on Earth so well that ''nobody'' but his more hard-core haters can say he's wrong;
** The remaining superheroes attempt to pull a resistance together, only to discover that there is ''absolutely'' no place to hide or run from him ''anywhere'' on Earth-he is just letting this resistance exist ''because he allows it'';
** On the same issue that showcases this, he manages to convince almost all amongst the resistance (except the ones who hate him the most, which includes the aforementioned wife and child) that he is in the right and they all do a FaceHeelTurn right there on the spot;
** When they all leave, he tells the remaining resistance members that he will allow them to live for now and will wait their move (which will be either them turning to his side or doing a move that will allow him to pull whatever atrocity is needed to kill them all for good);
** The alien governments (including Allen's and the Viltrumite remnant now governed by Nolan) absolutely refuse to do anything about Robot (because either Earth is an InsignificantLittleBluePlanet in their eyes (and some even ''agree'' with what Robot is doing) or because survival comes first, even when Mark is pretty much begging);
*** All of this, plus ArcFatigue, is one of the many reasons why this series has reached DarknessInducedAudienceApathy levels.
30th May '16 10:21:43 AM Atlasth3rd
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** Dinosaurus [[spoiler: attempting to kill off eighty percent of the world, which doesn't quite succeed but still manages to kill almost a million people. Even he considers this to be unforgivable later, which leads to him asking Mark to kill him.]]

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** Dinosaurus [[spoiler: attempting to kill off eighty percent of the world, world's population, which doesn't quite succeed but still manages to kill almost a million people. Even he considers this to be unforgivable later, which leads to him asking Mark to kill him.]]
30th May '16 10:20:46 AM Atlasth3rd
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** Dinosaurus [[spoiler: attempting to kill off eighty percent of the world, which doesn't quite succeed but still manages to kill almost a million people. Even he considers this to be unforgivable later, which leads to him asking Mark to kill him.]]
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