- Doubt it, this Troper may be wrong but I'm fairly sure at leas once Batman has actively fought Red Hood to stop him killing Joker, if he sees standing by and letting someone else, someone very justified in wanting to, kill Joker Murder by Inaction, he would likely see withholding medicine as the same.
- Gotta say there needs to be a third game. Unless they release episodic content that lets you play as new characters.
- Who said it would be canceled?
- Tossed. Arkham Origins has been released.
- A lot of foreshadowing seems to suggest that Scarecrow will be the Big Bad (or at least a major antagonist) in the third game. With his knowledge of psychology and the science of fear, he could probably cause some serious havoc if he ever got his hands on Cadmus technology.
- Maybe in an Arkham City direct sequel but they didn't appear in Arkham Origins.
- Tossed it's not in Knight either.
- Maybe in an Arkham City direct sequel but they didn't appear in Arkham Origins.
- He will more than likely be a final boss. I mean first you have Titan Joker then you have Clayface, only a mind controlled man of steel could top those two.
- With Hush strutting around wearing Bruce's face, he will likely try to frame Bruce. Meanwhile, in Metropolis, Superman will hear that his buddy Bruce just might be going insane, and make the reluctant decision to stop him. Let's You and Him Fight, anyone?
- Maybe in a direct Arkham City sequel but in terms of Arkham Origins no.
- Technically, Batman was the only one who actually saw the Joker die, and lifelike hallucination sequences are already a regular staple of this series. The police might have gotten a corpse that looked like the Joker, but they'd have no way to conclusively verify its identity since Joker has no official legal identity.
- If that secret room in the cargo ship, the hidden messages on the crypto-sequencer, and the note about the shipment of fear gas are any indication, it's looking like everyone's favorite mad psychiatrist might play a crucial role in Arkham 3. Now, if he wanted to use his powers to drive Batman insane (which, being the Scarecrow, he's bound to attempt at some point) what would be a good place to start? In Asylum, he figured out that loads of plain old terrifying things weren't enough to drive Batman over the edge, so now he's trying something different: instead of convincing Batman that his worst fear has happened to him (like he would with most of his victims) he's convinced Batman that he finally crossed the one line that he swore he'd never cross and let the Joker die.
- Even if Batman didn't intentionally kill the Joker, failing to save him still has some serious moral implications. Batman's entire crusade rests on the idea that not even the worst of Gotham's criminals deserve death, and that he has a responsibility to take a higher path when dealing out justice. When he finally gets forced into a situation where taking the high road isn't an option, he'll be one step closer to becoming just another disillusioned, death-dealing vigilante that the police would be forced to bring to justice...which is probably one of the few things that he's actually afraid of. Convincing him that he killed the Joker was the first step—driving him past the proverbial "point of no return" will be the Scarecrow's goal in the sequel.
- If it were an illusion, then, from Robin's POV, Oracle would probably be mentioning that she didn't understand even why Batman was so distressed over Joker. Also, he's not the only one who sees Joker's body. The best example is Harley Quinn. No offense, but this was Tossed before it was even written.
- Sorry, I wrote that WMG before Harley Quinn's Revenge came out. I was just going off of the ending of City.
- Also, the point wasn't about Batman being the only one who saw Joker's body, it was about Batman being the only actual witness to his death. Since we see that whole sequence from the perspective of Batman (who's already been through several hallucination sequences up to that point) a little bit of healthy suspicion is reasonable.
- If it were an illusion, then, from Robin's POV, Oracle would probably be mentioning that she didn't understand even why Batman was so distressed over Joker. Also, he's not the only one who sees Joker's body. The best example is Harley Quinn. No offense, but this was Tossed before it was even written.
- Tossed.
- In the DCU, it's established that Lazarus kills anything healthy that's exposed to it. Also, to further prove you wrong, Clayface remained immobile right after Batman dumped him into the Pit.
- A) Arkham City takes a lot of inspiration from Batman: No Man's Land, and Lex Luthor was a Big Bad near the end of that arc.
- B) If Mark Hamill has indeed retired, then Clancy Brown as Lex is the best-voiced villain out there.
- C) It would allow Rocksteady to prepare for a possible future Superman game.
- Possibly. For now, it looks like Scarecrow and Hush are being set up as major villains, though they're definitely not the only ones. To add another theory, though: maybe Sherman Fine (The Broker) was just set up as a Red Herring, and the "Mr. Fine" referenced in the letter on the ship is really Milton Fine, AKA Brainiac. With that in mind, maybe Luthor wrote the letter, and he and Brainiac are planning to team up and use Scarecrow as their pawn.
- If Lex Luthor is going to be the Big Bad, then Ra's al Ghul might be his Greater-Scope Villain as he was for Hugo Strange.
- This wasn't really too far off the mark. Lex doesn't make a personal appearance in Arkham Knight during gameplay, but 1) he leaves several voicemails on Bruce Wayne's phone demanding that Bruce sell him Waynetech Applied Sciences for $1 billion, 2) he is revealed to have contributed a great deal of the $3 billion toward the army that was supposed to take down Batman, and 3) he shows up in the cutscene at Wayne Manor at the end where Bruce "dies".
- Semi Tossed; We can see Arkham Island from the east side of Akham City, but the bridge that connects it to the mainland leads to a different part of town.
- It could be an alternate ending where the villains win and thought they killed Bruce, but did kill all of the others(Dick, Tim, Barb, etc.) so Bruce goes into hiding for fifty years and then he has a son named Terry and trains him to take the city back.
- The Batman Beyond suit WILL appear in the same. As an alt skin for Batman.
- Jossed (see below).
- That's debatable. (Also see below)
- Methinks Kaye will voice a villain that hasn't been announced yet, who will occasionally say yes in every scene, yeessss...
- Turns out he's just replaced Tom Kane as Commissioner Gordon, even though Kane still voices Quincy Sharp.
- Corey Burton confirmed.** Granted, I do think it is Corey Burton, but IMDb, like Wikipedia, can be edited by anybody and people have put up false info on the site before during the time before a products release—case in point, until it was reported otherwise, it said Arleen Sorkin would reprise the role of Harley Quinn for AC and that Kevin Conroy would reprise the role of Batman for the Batman: Year One film. So until we know for sure (mostly from something with a source or after the game's release), take it with a grain of salt.
- Confirmed for real.
- Semi Tossed? We have some references to Jezebel Jet hidden around Arkham City (there's images of road signs and the like) complete with references to Joker's red and black motif in RIP, but alas, no Professor Pyg or Dollotrons, and no Flamingo carving people's faces off.
- Well, there's also Azrael, whose bio reveals he's Michael Lane and Lane was one of the "Three Ghosts of Batman", more specifically "Bat-Devil", before becoming Azrael in comics canon.
- I'm going with this. But I'm vouching for a more involved approach. I reckon he's snapped and he's trying to turn however long a time-period this games lasts for in-game into a holiday. You know, like a "Mourn-Batman-after-his-excruciatingly-painful-death-at-the-hands-of-Calendar-Man-who-is-no-longer-a-joke-of-a-villain Day/Week/Month".Wargle (Signing because I want everyone to know that I also want to spread the word of the Calendar.)
- Tossed. Calendar Man's little more than an easter egg.
- Heh heh, Easter.
- No reason I'm just putting it out there because nobody will see it coming.
- He'd better make everyone erupt into a Bat-Chorus of "Welcome to the Jungle" during the opening.
- This must only happen if he's once again voiced by Neil Patrick Harris.
- Failing that, he could pop up during the end credits and sing us off, GLaDOS-style.
- Tossed. There is a Credits Song, but The Joker sings it.
- The reference to Firefly's exploits say that he's at large in Gotham. As the sequel takes place in Gotham...
- Ra's 's body disappears.
- Talia, at least, is confirmed.
- Confirmed.
- Talia, at least, is confirmed.
- Two Face is robbing a bank.
- Confirmed.
- Joker released Scarface.
- Sharp claimed at the beginning of the first game that the Ventriloquist was out and reformed. Then again, he said the same of Two-Face...
- Scarface does pop up with Joker in one of the tie-in comics. Then Harley Quinn throws him into a fire out of jealousy. She does build another one, though, so maybe Joker'll have that.
- Scarface (or half of him) is in the Penguin's museum.
- And some of the story pieces unlocked by obtaining the Riddler trophies explain that an Arkham City inmate is making more of the puppets for Joker in case he breaks them in a fit.
- Injustice Gang is back according to the same paper that references Firefly.
- Mad Hatter has a display set up in the Gardens, implying that he's free, but doesn't show up in the game.
- Confirmed
- Mr. Freeze escaped before the time the game takes place.
- Freeze is confirmed!
- Clayface was pretending to be a cop (but still in his cell) back in Arkham, and since everyone from Arkham Asylum is being transfered to the City...
- Confirmed.
- Commissioner Gordon:
- Hey, the first game mixed things up immensely, why not have a section where the player has to pull a completely different playstyle by forcing them to play as Commisioner Gordon?
- Third person thug killing? YAY!!!!
- What do you mean "forcing them to play as Commissioner Gordon"? I'd willingly play an entire game about Gordon.
- Like a Gotham version of L.A. Noire?
- If I were one of the Dev's, I would totally make a side level where you do this. Only all Gordon does is deal with paper work in it.
- I'm incredibly thankful you're not a game developer then...
- Maybe it will follow a different Gordon.
- Or just give our Gordon a crowbar.
- Alternatively, seeing that the game is set in Gotham proper, you could play as Robin and Batgirl on occasion. This troper would be thrilled to see Cassandra Cain's version of Batgirl in the game.
- Judging by the fact that Oracle is heard in the first... I would say Joker has already crippled Barb. Batgirl is now Oracle.
- Which means Cassandra Cain or possibly Stephanie Brown (unlikely since she started as Batgirl since Bruce died) is Batgirl.
- Note: Alfred will be Mission Control for (at least part of) the game, as Oracle is missing. Hurm...
- I think it's just too dark to have us playing as Robin... then again... I'm imagining what he would like like. It would be hard to pull off, but if they can do it well, it would be awesome.
- If you think Robin couldn't fit in the Arkham Asylum setting, you haven't kept up with his comic book. Just because he has red and yellow in his costume doesn't mean he can't be badass.
- Judging by the fact that Oracle is heard in the first... I would say Joker has already crippled Barb. Batgirl is now Oracle.
- Catwoman, me-wow! We know she's in the game, we know Bats decides to rescue her from Two-Face, why not give her a few levels, or even a two-player co-op mode?
- Alternately, why not have duo levels with the also-confirmed Talia Al-Ghul?
- What if there's no co-op, but PvP multiplayer options? You could have Batman, Joker (as seen in the Bonus Level of Asylum), Two-Face, Catwoman, etc., all competing.
- Word of God has confirmed that Catwoman, at least, will be playable.
- Robin has also been confirmed to be playable. However, he's a preorder bonus for Best Buy.
- Tossed. Multiplayer was in Arkham Origins though.
- Kevin Conroy compared the tone to Batman Beyond: Return Of The Joker. Now, perhaps he was giving us a hint as to what the Joker is planing.
- Oh God! The Joker's gonna torture Tim Drake again!
- Somehow, I think Joker's going to finish what he started with Barbara... She has been kidnapped prior to the sequel and it's why Alfred has taken over. And not only would torturing a cripple is just as bad, if not worse then torturing a child, it hasn’t been done.
- To be fair, Hamill has said it was his last time as the Joker twice before...
- Hamill's said that it may not be the last time he voices Joker after all, so maybe he won't die.
- Well technically it might be apeearing in flashbacks in the next game or some other form of appearance. I really hope they reinact the Joker's death from Batman: The Dark Knight Returns
- Holy crap, CONFIRMED.
- The fact that she's dead.
- Ra's Al Ghul. Lazarus. Pit.
- And he'd have what incentive to revive her considering how stingy he is with the pits?
- Not to mention he does have standards despite being a villain, so the whole Titan thing might not be his cup of tea. And he's got money to spare, so that wouldn't matter to him.
- Ra's Al Ghul. Lazarus. Pit.
- Tossed. Young isn't resurrected.
- This may be the origin for the Joker's mysterious infection, and Batman's nosebleed in the promo images.
- Sorta confirmed, It's actually Hugo Strange's plan to wipe out everyone in Arkham City for Ra's Al Ghul.
- Tossed, although the Batman Beyond costume is wearable for New Game Plus.
- Hoping that this happens so hard, just saying.
- Seconded. You don't want to just repeat the Scarecrow gimmick, but the idea behind it was awesome, and as noted Tetch is all about the mind. Also he's incredibly underused.
- Confirmed.
- With no snow on the ground, Christmas and New Year's are unlikely.
- Thanksgiving is possible.
- Valentine's could be amusing for Catwoman, but lacks interplay with most of the Rogue's Gallery.
- Joker would love April Fool's Day.
- Two-Face likes the kind of warped justice symbolism he could get by executing Catwoman on Independence Day as part of a bid to take over Arkham City.
- Halloween is always classic.
- It's Bruce's birthday, and Strange told him.
- Talk Like A Pirate Day.
- Arkham Day, the anniversary of Arkham City's grand opening.
- It's been seen snowing in some videos, though Calendar Man has been confirmed to react to different holidays (wearing a Santa Hat, etc.) depending on the game system/computer's clock.
- However, it's implied that the only reason it's snowing is because of Mr. Freeze.
- Black Mask.
- Tossed, he does have a faction (and managed to temporarily escape Arkham City, as a Riddler trophy reveals) but none of them appear in-game.
- The Penguin.
- Some people claim you can see him in the teaser trailer.
- And he's now been confirmed to appear in the game.
- Penguin is confirmed to have a large gang presence in Arkham, possibly the largest.
- Some people claim you can see him in the teaser trailer.
- Bane, returning from the previous game.
- He's back, but fighting alongside the Batman. For now.
- Similarly, Scarecrow.
- Tossed; he doesn't appear ingame aside from an easter egg.
- Strange and Sharp will probably join the fighting using the PMC contractors eventually.
- Confirmed: that's Protocol 10.
- Ra's Al-Ghul.
- Confirmed: both he and Talia are in the city and Talia's brought her elite guard along. Technically, Ra's is also in charge of TYGER, too.
- Mr. Freeze.
- He's at least confirmed to be in the game, and he rarely acts alone.
- So...instead of "Scarecrow Hallucination" levels, we'd have "Batman of Zur-En-Arrh" levels? Awesome.
- Semi-confirmed. Batman does go through some wacky hallucinations after drinking the Demon's Blood and wearing one of Mad Hatter's hats, but he doesn't go insane.
- I dunno, kid. Kinda looks like she's scolding him for always beating up Mr. J.
- Tossed, given Harley is now carrying Joker's love child.
- Tossed, but Harley isn't pregnant, either.
- Everyone will die in one
- Batman will go insane in one
- Joker dies in one
- Happy ending
- Batman gets the girl ending
- Batman and Catwoman
- Batman and Talia
- Batman and Harley
- Confirmed, but there are only three and one is a Non-Standard Game Over. For clarication, Joker dies in the canon ending and Joker takes over Gotham in the Non-Standard Game Over. A third ending reveals that Harley's pregnant (also canon.)
- It'd be a good twist, but how would they make it work? Batman's detective vision in Arkham Asylum could identify Clayface when he was disguised.
- Maybe he'll only appear in cutscenes?
- Semi-confirmed. Clayface isn't an advisor but is Joker's Dragon, and Batman's detective vision DOES recognise him when he's disguised!
- It'd be a good twist, but how would they make it work? Batman's detective vision in Arkham Asylum could identify Clayface when he was disguised.
- Captain Hammer: The hammer is my penis!Batman: ...get out of my city.
- Except everyone knows NPH is really the Music Meister.
- Furthermore, Riddler looks like JIM CARREY. Who PLAYED HIM.
- ...Get out of my city.
- Confirmed, kinda. They all show up in some manner; Bane is a side mission (and he IS curbstomped by Batman, though not in the standard way), Croc appears as an Easter Egg and allusions are made to Scarecrow as a Sequel Hook.
- Deadpool is in the Marvel Universe, so this is Jossed without any further explanation.
- And in the following cut scene he will be like: I can help Bats! It'll be like old times!
- And then Bats is like: Get out of here Dick. I'm better off alone.
- And then Nightwing's like: But we'll be co-op! I'll watch your back you'll watch mine!
- And then Batman's like: NO.
- And then Nightwing's all: Why?
- And Batman's like: I'M BATMAN.
- And then Nightwing's like: Okay *leaves*
- But then we hear him chatting with Alfred in the Batcave.
- And then Alfred leaves to do butler things, and Dick takes over for a bit.
- Until Batman gets sick of the comments about his love life, and turns off the comlink.
- Which then leads to a plot point where he misses information due to being unreachable.
- Wait... Are we talking Bruce's lovelife or Dick's here?
- Why not both?
- Wait... Are we talking Bruce's lovelife or Dick's here?
- Tossed: Nightwing is DLC but has no voice actor.
- The words "All In" in the trailer seems to imply some sort of team-up. To take down Sharp and Strange, Batman will need to enlist the help of not only allies like Nightwing or Gordon but members of his rogues gallery as well, like Catwoman, Joker or Freeze since the villains will probably want to get out of the quarantine and want a chance to take down Sharp. In fact, it may just be The Joker who kills Sharp in a suicide attack, with them never finding his body (a good excuse for Joker to be out of the future games with some ambiguity).
- Tossed unless you count Catwoman, who's really more of an Anti-Hero at this point anyway.
- As The Dragon to Penguin. Using memory discs of previous Bat-rogues and counters.
- Nope. His Dragon is Solomon Grundy.
- Just watch the second trailer.
- According to the third trailer, there's plenty wrong with him.
- He's speaking more in the "I'm completely snooker-loopy" kind of way.
- According to the third trailer, there's plenty wrong with him.
- Tossed. He's physically ill, all right.
- They seem to be leaning towards confirming this, at least in parts. The second issue reveals that Sharp's personality is basically just a blank slate waiting for a commanding enough presence to give him direction.
- Played with; it's confirmed that Strange used Mad Hatter's mind control technology to induce Sharp's split personality, but it's not confirmed whether the Spirit of Arkham was directly created by Strange.
- Tossed.
- Oh man, that would be awesome!
- Well, she's screwed.
- That's one way to beat him.
- Tossed. Catwoman is only playable with the Online Pass. The final boss is Clayface, who sadly does not turn into Batman mid-battle.
- Well, she's screwed.
- And it will be blown up, possibly collapsing part of the city above.
- Tossed. However there are ruins of Old Gotham, and the Zeerust-tastic Steampunk metropolis that is Wonder City.
- It's not his last appearance as him, though. Hamill has confirmed via Twitter that this may not be the end.
- Hamill indicated last time that it may be his last go as the Joker as he thought he'd done everything he could with the character, but changed his mind when he got a look at Arkham City's story/script. So basically if people keep giving him good material he seems happy to come back.
- Tossed. Joker's running his own scheme, but it has little, if anything, to do with Strange's plans.
- There's something very Jabba the Hutt about this Penguin. And Croc would be the perfect Rancor.
- As it turns out, Penguin's "Rancor" isn't Killer Croc. Its Solomon Grundy.
- Additionally, the leaked achievement "I'm Batman - 10G" will not be awarded for completing the tutorial/starting the game, as it's small Gamerscore reward and high place in the achievement listing would suggest, but for encountering Strange in his Batsuit.
- Strange does have a Batsuit, according to the Riddler interview tapes, but all he does is stare at it and cry.
- Additionally, the leaked achievement "I'm Batman - 10G" will not be awarded for completing the tutorial/starting the game, as it's small Gamerscore reward and high place in the achievement listing would suggest, but for encountering Strange in his Batsuit.
- Tossed. Strange is a Cutscene Boss. The "I'm Batman" achievment is awared five minutes into the game.
- Confirmed.
- Confirmed.
- Her new voice actor is Tara Strong, it's either that or a Fairly Odd Parents reference.
- With Grey Delisle as Catwoman, the latter would be more likely.
- Confirmed.
- Tossed. She shows up halfway through the story having been occupied with other things previously.
- And the city would be much more colorful and "Bruce Timm-esque" when you play as him, as well as comical, rather than gritty or serious. It would also come after an incredibly serious moment.
- The game will re-create the scene from his DCAU appearance where he takes out several Joker goons, as well as Batman himself, without missing a beat. Combined Crowning Moment of Awesome AND Funny?
- In fact, Ace Chemicals can be glimpsed briefly in the same gameplay video Ryder appears in, less than two hundred meters away from where Batman saves him. If he's that close already...
- The game will re-create the scene from his DCAU appearance where he takes out several Joker goons, as well as Batman himself, without missing a beat. Combined Crowning Moment of Awesome AND Funny?
- Tossed, for this game at least. There's always next time, though...
- Although Vicki Vale mentions the Creeper in the second Quincy Sharp interview tape. So looks like Jack Ryder's already been changed.
- Because the first Robin would be far more deserving.
- Well, Nightwing has been confirmed as DLC, so he'll probably at least have a cameo.
- Tossed.
- While part of that is open to interpretation, it is confirmed that Titan is killing Joker and making him desparate for a cure.
- Tossed.
- Tossed. Something like that would've likely caused a large amount of Nerd Rage, anyway.
- According to the background stories provided from solving Riddler Challenges, she did in fact have a near fatal reaction to Titan between games. She survived because the priest who gave her last rites was covered in tree pollen that Ivy used to cure herself.
- Tossed. Batman destroys Grundy and defeats Penguin right after.
- Not quite. Solomon Grundy was cursed to go through a cycle of death and rebirth. Just because Batman ripped out his heart doesn't mean that he'll stay dead.
- Considering that we only have one picture of her to go on, there's a good chance that before the game hits stores, we will see why we should care that she's there. No, acting as one of the woman that Batman has to decide on who to hook up with does not count.
- Tossed, as that's basically her role.
- Tossed. All you see of Scarecrow in-game is his mask, which is the solution to a Riddler Challenge. And also an Easter Egg referring to him.
- Nightwing is a DLC character.
- Rocksteady is planning on making a Superman game after Arkham City. Just throwing that out there.
- I'm not entirely sure if this is confirmed. I've seen a few interviews where they've talked at length about how difficult it would be to do a good Superman game, and given reasons why Batman is better suited to video games than Superman is. That doesn't completely rule out the possibility, but it makes it sound like it's not at the top of their priority list right now.
- Confirmed. Strange does mention doing the Arkham City gig in Metropolis and Keystone City.
- Hell, this even goes back to Asylum. In one of the "Spirit of Arkham" stories, Amadeus Arkham says that he spent years studying in Metropolis and Keystone City after he left Gotham. Superman definitely exists in the Arkhamverse, and the writers are willing to acknowledge it. A full-blown cameo isn't out of the question.
- Confirmed.
- Well not really. It's the middle of Winter, however the goons have noticed that it's getting colder every year. They blame Freeze for THAT.
- Tossed, at least for now, since Ra's dies in the game. Then again, he's died before, so it can't be completely ruled out.
- Confirmed.
- Partially confirmed. It's the cure for Joker and Batman's disease, but Joker has Nora hostage and Freeze wants her FIRST.
- Tossed.
- Tossed.
- Tossed. The Riddler provides the commentary.
- Tossed before it even happens. WB Games, the parent company for Rocksteady, is also the parent company for DC Comics. Making a Marvel game would be working for the competition.
- There have been DC/Marvel cross-overs before
- For bonus points, Hush obviously hasn't happened in the Arkhamverse, leaving Rocksteady plenty of freedom to do whatever they want with Tommy Elliot. Can anyone say Superman boss-fight?
- Only Ivy was able to create an antidote unique to her anatomy because the priest who did her last rites was covered in tree pollen. Joker didn't have that option.
- Let's not forget who we're dealing with, though. The guy's come Back from the Dead countless times.
- Watch the ending cutscene again. Take note of which hand Batman holds the cure in before and after he blacks out. Notice anything? Now consider this: Joker's been pulling bluffs and double-bluffs on Batman and massing his forces to stage a mass breakout from Arkham City throughout the whole game... and now Batman has just carried him out the front door.
- Well, it could certainly be a subconsciously executed Batman Gambit.
- And the sequel will be you playing as Joker and Harley's kid, adopted and raised by Batman.
- Tossed. It is revealed Harley had a fake positive.
- Asylum would take place 9 years after the Dark Knight, Arkham City is 10 years after The Dark Knight (making Batman 34 and 35 years old in the games). There are two timelines opened at the end of The Dark Knight, the one we see in the movie where Two-Face dies and Batman takes the blame for his crimes, and a separate timeline where he lives and is taken to Arkham, the hundreds of criminals he put in prison as Harvey Dent would have been released due to Dent becoming a killer and those 500-or-so criminals would likely go on to become the many supervillain henchman we see in Arkham City. This, in turn, would cause the people of Gotham to put more faith in vigilantes like Batman. Robin, Batgirl, Nightwing, and other heroes like Huntress and Creeper would soon follow. There are small tidbits that are open to the interpretation that these games are in canon with the movies. Here's a list of any connections between the films and the games:
- The Batsuit being armoured, the glider cape, and being able to bend an enemy`s gun barrel using the hydraulics built into the suit (a new addition to Arkham City, but it's right out of TDK), and the concept of detective vision comes straight from TDK also.
- Two-Face's general look
- Joker's suit and painted-on red smile
- The crashed monorail (from Batman Begins)
- Scarecrow's mask, as well as his obsession with poisoning Gotham`s water supply using the pipes under the asylum (again, from Begins)
- Croc's appearance (similar to his look from Batman: Gotham Knight)
- The flashback from Batman: Arkham Asylum of Bruce losing his parents and meeting young Gordon at the police station
- The general look of Gotham's Narrows
- Ra's having a burned corpse in Arkham Asylum
- Batman drinking from the cup before having to undergo the Demon's Trials in order to meet Ra's is similar to the start of Bruce's training with Ra's in Batman Begins
- Ra's staring on with delight as he and Hugo Strange destroy Arkham City is pertty much his plan from Batman Begins coming to fruition: to eliminate all crime in Gotham by destroying the city from within
- The Riddler looks a bit like David Tennant, who many people speculated would play the Riddler in The Dark Knight Rises (it is a bit of a stretch, but I just can't help noticing it, especially because of that fake poster- search David Tennant Riddler on Google Images, then click on the first link you see).
- It really wasn't a stretch, he said if it was at all possible he would play the Riddler in a Batman movie.
- Going off of this and Azrael's ominous comments, Harley's plan will involve burning down Gotham with Batman in it.
- It only makes sense. Hush appears in a side mission and is still on the loose, Scarecrow is still at large and swearing revenge, and the Riddler will always try to one-up Batman. These three characters are the masterminds who work together in the first Hush story. Add to that, all of Gotham would be playable, Nightwing, Robin, Catwoman, and Huntress would appear in the main storyline, and Supes and Lois would make appearances.
- Jossed: Origins was a prequel and Knight only had Hush as a sidequest.
- Jossed, Knight wasn't based on No Man's Land.
- Now that's just silly. It's a MINIMUM of 12 hours in-universe from start to finish, given that the first time you hear Strange mention Protocol 10, he says it will commence in 10 hours. That's plenty of time for anyone to start growing stubble. Granted he's the ONLY one who shows it but aside from minor things (like Penguin's hand getting broken) he's also the only one who visibly changes through the game. Except of course for Joker and his "rash".
- He'll be stashed out in a quarry. Once Batman comes closer and closer, he'll throw a rock at him.
- It'll be a big rock too.
- You can change the system clock to find out whether this is true. However, considering your previous encounters with him in Asylum, I dare you, because I am not taking the risk of possibly proving this theory.
- Tossed. She's dead.
- Not really. Being dead doesn't mean she couldn't have had a kid. And we don't even know how long ago that night was...Besides, Damian was mostly a test tube baby.
- We also don't have any idea whether she'll stay dead. Lazarus Pits, yo.
- Jossed: Scarecrow was the Big Bad of Knight and and Joker was still the Big Bad of the prequel, Origins
- While the Riddler isn't the big bad of Knight, he was the big bad of rhe novel that bridged the story of Arkham City and Arkham Knight called The Riddler's Gambit.
- In reality, Ra's was testing Batman for some reason. Maybe if Batman had decided to give up and let the bombs fly, Ra's would have taken that as a sign that Batman had gotten over his foolish idealism (well, to Ra's it would be foolish) and that he was finally ready to take up the mantle as Ra's heir. If this sounds crazy, well... Ra's himself had stated that his constant use of the Lazarus Pits had made him unwell...
- This is pretty much a gimme. This is Batman who has millions of plans for every doomsday scenario possible, and a few that aren't. You don't think he couldn't have avoided being arrested if he wanted to? No, his plan was to get arrested so as to get inside Arkham City without getting shot at by Tyger. His choice of where to have his press conference (the front gate of Arkham City) is very conspicuous as Tyger has to go all of a hundred feet to put him inside Arkham City. From there it was a simple matter of having his equipment sent to him so he was more or less free to roam Arkham City without much interference from Tyger.
- Nope. At the beginning of the game, having gotten into contact with Alfred, he's asked whether being arrested was planned, but it was beneficial since he got some face-time with Hugo Strange and learns about Protocol 10. Obtaining certain Riddler trophies and the like also tells us that Bruce Wayne's anti-Arkham City movement was genuine and something Batman proposed to Commissioner Gordon to fight Arkham City legally and publicly, since Sharpe had ignored Gordon's private protests. As such, whilst it benefits Batman in that he's able to bring Arkham City down after stopping Protocol 10, he probably never intended to get arrested. As for putting the press conference directly outside the gates, that's akin to any protest - You don't protest something by being in front of another site entirely (think Occupy Wall Street).
- Scarecrow was the main villain of Knight, but Jason did serve as his dragon.
- Or given this and toher games ingoring certain thing, even if they're in bios, Knightfall didn't really happen.
- The Joker: Batman may look like an idiot, and talk like an idiot, but don't let that fool you: he really is an idiot!
- Yes. Considering how Joker congratulated Clayface on his performance, he probably let Clayface speak so that there wouldn't be slips like Joker's uncontrollable cough.
- Jossed, though Firefly does appear in both Origins and Knight.
- That's arguably the best explanation I've heard for why Batman's brutality only renders people unconscious.
- Doesn't seem likely to me. Remember, Lucias Fox exists in this continuity, so he's probably the one making all the tech, including the Detective Mode Vision thing. Oracle is great at hacking and gathering information, but sneaking in a tweak like that under both Batman and Foxes nose doesn't seem likely. I mean, come on... it's Batman. He'd know.
- I like this idea, I really do. Maybe have it so he at least thinks Oracle does this and Batman abandons her, before approaching someone who had shown to have high morals (re: The Dark Knight,) Lucius Fox. Played by (or based on) Morgan Freeman.
- Actually referenced in game, through the random thug banter once the game is finished. To paraphrase, one says something along the lines of "So there were two Jokers, right? Who's to say there wasn't a third?"
- He was the only inmate in Arkham City. Everyone you fight is Clayface.
- [[spoiler: Heavily Tossed. Everyone has a skeleton where Clayface always can be seen without one.
- The comic however does have him disguised as Deadshot once to steal Penguins guns.
- Most of this was confirmed by Knight, though you can't rally play as other characters and it's usally Alfred or Aaron Cash who gives out the side quests.
- As Batman, you'll deal with Hush, Scarecrow and the Riddler working together to bring Gotham to its knees:
- Hush by slandering Bruce Wayne's reputation and taking from him everything: industries, charity associations, a huge part of Gotham will go down with Bruce Wayne if he's convicted of the crimes Hush commited.
- Scarecrow -as spoiled in Arkham City- will try to reduce Gotham's citizens to a bunch of rampaging terrified lunatics.
- The Riddler will be back with a vengeance, and help the other two because the best victory over the Dark Knight is completly destroying what he fights so hard to protect: Gotham City.
- That Campaign will be about saving Gotham's Soul, its Hope (symbolized by Bruce Wayne) and Humanity (the citizens).
- As Robin, you'll investigate on a possible return of the League of Assassins, because he's the only other in the Batfamily that Ra's Al Ghul respects -he calls him "Detective", like Batman
- As Nightwing, you'll have to stop Ivy on her "anti-humanity" roaring rampage of destruction. Why? because this troper would love an opportunity for some Oracle/Nightwing banter!
- As Catwoman, you'll try to find out what happened to Harley after the Joker's death; and how her pregnancy turned out..., and maybe find out that Talia is still alive, thanks to the Lazarus Pit or because it was a body double that got killed by Clayface.
- If the stars align, they may even let us play as the Cassandra Cain Batgirl, or at least let her have a token appearence similar to what Robin got in this game. Why? Well for one thing the poor girl deserves some mainstream exposure by now, but her whole backstory and staunch conviction to her Thou Shall Not Kill beliefs matches up perfectly with Rocksteady's interpretation of the Bat mythology. She may end up having to deal with the more 'conventional' crooks while everyone else is dealing with the super villains: the mob families, Two-Face and Ventriloquist emerging to reclaim Scarface all seem like good candidates.
- Taking Azrael's Vagueness Is Coming prophecy in AC, all the characters campaigns will combine for a grand finally, Sonic Adventure style, that will result in the near/total destruction of Gotham, and will have even the villains teaming up with the Bat family to save their city.
- Jossed: As usual, you can only play as Batman and even then a lot of these ideas aren't in the game.
- And it will be called "Gotham City" and will mark the final in the trilogy, with an ending (maybe a secret unlockable one) teasing that they'll go on and make a Superman game as their next project.
- Rocksteady did this to establish the Anyone Can Die approach they're taking to their Batman continuity, and will probably mean an even bigger body count for the third game.
- Seems especially likely that Strange hired Deadshot with the intention of getting him killed; If he kills the people on his list, then there's zero chance of them speaking out in the wake of Protocol 10 - where, inevitably, people would have to enter the city to clean up; It also contributes to the idea that Strange is smuggling weapons to Joker and others to deliberately create a powder keg out of the prison, because Strange undoubtedly has footage from the TYGER surveillance stations and could claim Deadshot made his own way in, further making Arkham City seem a failure. So Strange kills two birds with one stone.
- Maybe not. That line was delivered near the end of the game, when Joker started make a lot of entertainment industry references, to foreshadow his identity as Clayface. Plus, he never said he didn't like it, he merely acted amused at how it upset others. So, it's just as likely that, in the Arkhamverse, J.J. Abrams is a supervillain. Scary stuff.
- On top of this, in the Harley Quinn's Revenge DLC, you can find several posters for Cadmus Labs throughout the steel mill. One of the things Cadmus is best known for is cloning, including Kon-El/Connor Kent/Superboy.
- Jossed, though Harley does obsess over the Joker Infected when she learns of them in Knight.
- Why are we assuming Valley exists in the Arkhamverse? It does seem likely that Azrael will fight both against and beside Batman at different times, though.
- Jossed, Azrael, even in this game, said he worked for the Order of St. Dumas.
- I think that may have been meant to be the Scarecrow hatch this year, it was just found much faster than they expected. I mean think about it, compare the two - in one, you have to spray a specific spot on some wall with three bits of explosive gel and blow it through. In another, you have to divebomb onto a hatch on some seemingly random boat, and then pull out the cryptographic sequencer. They're both rather random things to do, yeah? Also, similarly to the Warden's Office secret, what you find in Scarecrow's hidden hatch appears to relate to a villain's plans for the sequel. So yes, I think this was supposed to be the unfindable secret, but - possibly due to the Warden's Office fiasco from before - people have scoured all over Arkham City looking for secrets, and they ending up finding this within, like, a week of the game's release, and now pretty much everyone knows about it.
- A lack of a League wouldn't stop Superman hearing everything that's going on from a few million miles away. Though that does raise the question of why he isn't zooming in and kicking ass...
- Well, the Leaguers do tend to stay out of each others' various cities unless they specifically ask for help. Depending on how long they've known each other in this continuity (if at all), it's not a far stretch to say that Clark would know well enough not to give Bruce unwanted help. For superheroes, it's a big mutual respect thing.
- I think once Batman is dead and the city has fallen to the Joker, 'unwanted help' isn't really an issue.
- As an expansion, we might assume that other superheroes don't exist. Strange is pretty blithe about setting up camps in Keystone City (which would be problematic - Flash's presence means there are almost no homicides, and thus getting public support is unlikely), and Metropolis (which would be insane, since Superman's senses would quickly penetrate Strange's secrets), and even if Strange was too crazy to think that through, Ra's isn't. More thematically, the Arkham games have really focused on the theme of superpowers making people inhuman (look at Ra's fear of what the pits are making him, or Ivy's deterioration between Asylum and City), so a heroic person with powers seems less natural there than in other continuities.
- The part of there being no toher heroes is Jossed: Knight sees several mentioned to other heroes, including Superman and the Flash, Oracle's computer shows she's talking to Black Canary and Hnutress, and John Cnostantine has an office in Gotham.
- Also, the in-game stories reveal that the Falcone and Maroni families are gone, which will leave a huge power vacuum to fill.
- Calling them thugs doesn't exactly seem accurate, and even then why would they join up with the girlfriend of the guy that killed Talia?
- New leadership for the League does seem likely to come up in some form, though. If Ra's and/or Talia is brought back, that would surely warrant a mention, and if neither is, there's a powerful group of international terrorists guarding the secret of immortality... without a clear line of succession.
- It certainly makes sense, given that the pregnancy is major sequel bait and too big to simply be put in the background of the sequel, and beating up a pregnant woman or a child just wouldn't be a 'Batman' thing to do...It seems likely that Joker Jr. will be going up against Terry. And let's be honest, we all want to be able to fly around a cyberpunk Gotham with Terry's rocket boots.
- Seconded by Alex Sora 89. Not only, Harley's baby is gonna become... *smirks* Joker Junior.
- Thirded by The Mighty Heptagon. Alternately, Bruce and Terry will be playable, with the timeframe jumping back and forth to show how past events affect the future. Or Bruce will simply by a Decoy Protagonist. Also, keep in mind that if this theory is correct, there's a solid possibility that the Joker will resurrect himself by using a microchip to overwrite somebody else's personality with his own.
- Fourthed. Barbara sounded pretty damn jealous when Bruce first brought up Talia, possibly alluding to their failed relationship in Beyond (I can't think of any other continuity where they got together or even felt any attraction to each other). That being said, I suspect we might not see this till the fourth game since Azrael's warnings and Scarecrow's plot suggest something along the lines of a city wide catastrophe too big to be contained in a DLC. And there absolutely has to be a Boss Battle with Mad Stan.
- Or, alternately, it'll be resolved in a DLC mission. Just a thought.
- I agree as well. I could totally see Batman: Arkham Beyond happening, as it would not only provide a cool conclusion to Harley's pregnancy (it's the Dee Dees), but it would provide a nice way of keeping the villains fresh. You could have Willie Watt taking over the Riddler's role, for example.
- Jossed on both counts: Origins was a prequel and Knight takes place a year after City
- And at some point Ivy will fight Zombies.
- Whenever Joker's gang winds up with a new recruit who is exceptionally clumsy and gullible, rather than just killing him, they give him the tough-sounding nickname "Razor" and convince him that he is a respected and feared member of the gang, when in reality he is simply the gang's Butt-Monkey. Whenever Joker expects his gang to perform an especially dangerous task, Razor is always given the most dangerous roles and is frequently left to die. When the current Razor meets his demise, the process begins again and a new Razor is selected. For example, the man known as Razor in Batman: Arkham Asylum was left in the room filled with Joker gas (twice!) and was eventually killed during the Joker's test of the exploding gargoyles. Razor's nature as a Legacy Character explains why the death of Razor at the hands of Two-Face is being mocked by a pair of Joker Thugs in Arkham City even though the character is clearly deceased in Batman: Arkham Asylum.
- And maybe, they'll get exposed to Titan, too...
- Jossed, they don't appear in Knight.
- The writers of Arkham World called. You're hired.
- She's the main antagonist of her own DLC...
- Two Face: Pretty obvious really. By the end of the game he controls most of Arkham City and has the Penguin locked up. After the vacuum left behind by Joker and Strange Two Face will have no problem strengthening his position.
- Black Mask: His cameo suggests that he'll be playing a much bigger role down the line. As the only inmate to escape Arkham City, he's got a very strong reputation to draw in followers.
- Harley: Next in line to the Joker's empire before her kid grows up. She may have a hard time controlling his goons since they don't seem to show her much respect but she could always use Ivy to strengthen her position.
- Carmine Falcone: While he's dead in comics canon the Arkhamverse does have tendency to deviate from the source material (since Bane broke Batman's back but this is his first encounter with Azrael). We know the Falcones moved their operations to Bludhaven to avoid being sent to Arkham City, and with the death of Strange and the Joker they may move back in to exploit the power vacuum. Also Calendar Man teases Catwoman about her father, whose been suggested (though not outright confirmed) to be Falcone.
- Falcone doesn't appear at all in Knight, Black Mask only appears in DLC, but otherwise, Harley, Two-Face, and Penguin control their own gangs.
- Hush, Riddler, and Scarecrow. As mentioned before, the prime antagonists in the Hush storyline.
- Wasn't this supposed to be "besides the obvious ones"? Hush plot or not, those are a heavily foreshadowed introduction, a recurring boss, and the breakout villain of the first game, respectively. They'll be there.
- Prometheus. C'mon, he's the anti-Batman. Imagine having a boss fight with yourself!
- Firefly. Azrael already mentioned Gotham going up in flames, and he would make an excellent boss fight.
- It would finally give the series a chance to intregrate platforming challenges and boss fights, as you chase him around outdoors, trying to catch up with that jetpack.
- While he wasn't what Azrael was referring to, confirmed on both counts, Firefly does appear in both Origins and Knight.
- Solomon Grundy, for the sheer fact that he never dies.
- Jossed, though he does appear in Blackgate.
- Man-Bat. If only because fighting a giant bat would be a pretty cool boss fight.
- Confirmed.
- Calendar Man, but only on certain holidays. For added replay value. Or "set your system clock" value, anyway.
- All he got in both Origins and Knight is a cameo.
- Maxie Zeus. Perhaps an electricity-based Mr. Freeze?
- The Red Hood. Maybe even make him a player character, just because.
- Confirmed: there's DLC of him in Knight and he's the titular Arkham Knight.
- Jackanapes. Yes, he's supposed to be Damian Wayne's future child, but he is a gorilla with a machete.
- Bat-Mite, just so we could have a new Mad Hatter/Scarecrow-type thing.
- Tossed. Joker clearly made reference to his "spa treatment".
- Of course, they'll be manipulated in some way; brainwashed by Ivy/Hatter, gassed by Scarecrow, indoctrinated by Cerberus (Nightwing DOES look like Kai Leng...), manipulated by Hush, recruited by the Order Of St. Dumas, or what have you.
- That would be cool, but unless Rocksteady thinks of a very different way to handle one-on-one fights in the combat engine, it wouldn't be practical for the same reasons we couldn't have a Hugo Strange boss fight.
- Not really that impractical. Even without adding new mechanics, make them like Talia's ninjas with a longer life bar (think Two-Face and Harley in the Catwoman and Harley's Revenge DLC's) and maybe a few extra moves.
Naturally, Batman would have a gas mask and thus be immune to the gas, but would occasionally get injected, and then go through Asylum-style Scarecrow sequences until he could get an antidote (and maybe some random hallucinations would occur more and more towards the end of the game, as the trace amounts of gas getting through his filters built up).
- This actually seems very likely. I'm not sure if this is official yet, but I always took the password to the secret Scarecrow area ("CITYOFTERROR") to mean that Batman: City of Terror would be the title of the third game. If this is the case, a plot like that would definitely fit the title.
- It would also fit the trend that the games have been following up until now. I think they chose Arkham Asylum as the setting for the first game because they wanted to emphasize detail over size, and knew that they would never be able to put all the details they wanted into an area as big as Gotham City. For the sequel, then, we got to see part of Gotham, but the developers avoided the size problem by turning a big section of the city into an enclosed prison. For the third game, they could follow the same approach by moving the action into the more developed areas of downtown Gotham, but they could avoid the size problem by working a quarantine into the plot.
- That Easter Egg will most definitely be a foreshadowing. In a story revealed by a riddle, it's revealed that Batman first started investigating when he saw blueprints for Arkham City in the Warden's office in the last game. That Easter Egg could only be found by the player by knowing it was there, just like Scarecrow's hideout in Arkham City. For further proof, another riddle-story says that Batman refused to believe that Scarecrow perished in the claws of Killer Croc. Finding Scarecrows hideout was a turning point for Batman's investigation and the next comic will most likely have him confronting Mr. Fine and/or Falcone.
- Expanding on the gas mask from above, maybe Bats will start experiencing minor hallucinations which become worse and more frequent as time goes on, and in order to stop the hallucinations, he has to go to designated points on the map to change the filters in the mask.
- Robin and Nightwing will now have proper storylines, and possibly feature new costumes in addition to the ones from Akham City. Other new characters will include:
- Batgirl. While any version aside from Barbara should be fine (since she's Oracle) Cassandra would probably fit best with the tone of the games. Has a stripped down version of Batman's arsenal and relies on own body rather than weapons. Possible skins with Barbara Gordon and Stephanie Brown skins, and Black Bat. Maybe include Bette or Flamebird as well.
- Batwoman. Obviously the modern Kate Kane version is best suited, but could wind up being too similar to Cassie. Possible extra skins in the Kathy Kane and DCAU skins.
- Huntress. Would have more differences with Batgirl than Batwoman, including having her crossbow and perhaps less gadgets. Extra skins include Helena Wayne and possibly her Batgirl costume.
- Red Hood. There's nothing to confirm Jason didn't exist, and he could have even mellowed with Joker's death. Will have a more brutal fighting style including a gun and a knife. Possible skins include Joker's Red Hood costume, and the costume from Morrison's Batman and Robin run.
- Renee Montoya: As a cop she would have to resort to using a flashlight, baton, ect to deal with the crazies, put her investigation skills to the test and adopt Batman's no kill policy, so no gun. She could also appear as The Question, which would be the same, but moreso. Why her and not Gordan? He might be a good alternative, but maybe a bit old. Harvey Bullock? Can you see him fitting into air vents?
- Batman, Robin, and Catwoman: Natch.
- Nightwing: He was a DLC character who didn't appear in the game proper, so why not?
- Azrael: If I recall correctly, Michael Lane was a member of the Bat Family, not to mention that his speech was a Sequel Hook.
- Huntress: Mentioned by Vicki Vale during her interview with Sharp. Only playable on the Challenge Maps.
- Creeper: Again, mentioned by Vale. Besides, he'd make excellent comic relief. Only playable on the Challenge Maps.
- Mr. Freeze: He worked so well as a sympathetic Anti-Hero in City, there's no reason he couldn't be playable. In the same way that Catwoman's lithe, agile fighting style was a good contrast to Batman's, Freeze's lumbering movement and use of freeze-guns would add some great variety to gameplay.
- Or give him an entirely new suit that makes him as agile as Bats, but just give him different equipment.
- Bruce Wayne: Plays exactly like Batman, minus the gadgets and the ability to glide. Basically, just like in the beginning of Arkham City, when you fight Penguin's goons for the first time. Might be a Challenge Map DLC character.
Villains:
- Scarecrow and Hush: They're the most obvious ones.
- Ventriloquist: Arnold Wesker was mentioned in a police radio call as having taken hostages. Might play a small role.
- Firefly: He was stated to be at large and Azrael stated that Gotham would burn.
- Prometheus: In the Gotham PD, you can find a sheet of paper tacked onto a notice board stating that he had "Passed" his evaluation at Arkham Asylum. He might just start doing his usual gig again, now that he's free.
- Orca: She isn't mentioned all that much in the Batman franchise overall, plus she would make for a good surprise character.
- Ratcatcher: According to an Arkham City story, the Penguin had his goons drag him to the museum, kicking and screaming. He was never heard from again, but you never actually find him in the museum. Who's to say he didn't escape and went into hiding?
- Black Mask: He's the antagonist of a couple of DLC Challenge Maps and he actually has his own model. Doubled with the fact that he was the only person who successfully escaped Arkham City would make him a good choice. He might play the part of the game's Big Bad.
- Professor Pyg: The Arkham Games are already dark, but Pyg would be pushing the envelope a bit. His Mooks would be the Dollotrons that he makes. At one point in the game, he would capture Batman and prepares to perform his surgery on Bats and you have to escape the building where he takes Bats.
- Great White Shark: If Black Mask and the Ventriloquist appear, Great White Shark's gang would make a good third faction.
- The Mad Hatter: He appeared in Arkham City, but now he could have his own mind controlled gang. He could hire Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee because of their similar themes.
- Killer Moth: It would be interesting to fight an anti-batman.
- Man-Bat: Same reason as Killer Moth.
Both:
- Deathstroke: His role would be that he was hired to kill Batman, but later learns that his contractor planned to have him killed to avoid having to pay him. He then starts seeking revenge with the help of Batman. The contractor in question will be the Big Bad. He was also in Arkham City Lockdown, which means he might appear in the next game. Only playable in the Challenge Maps.
- Red Hood II: Tries to stop crime in his own brutal fashion, and Batman attempts to stop him. He gets his priorities straight towards the end and helps Batman fight against the Big Bad. Only playable on the Challenge Maps.
- There are several ways this could work: as a badass cop\detective trying to keep either Arkham or Gotham under control. Orr she could appear as The Question. As we know none of Batman's allies thus far have gotten through to him after he went off the rails. So maybe someone else can, like Superman, Wonder Woman, or even a lowly police officer.
- He still has yet to appear. Also, it would easy to make him scaled up to be another giant, threatening physical foe. And this troper thinks it would be really cool if Rocksteady took the opportunity to turn things around with the boss battles a little bit: Man-Bat can fly and acts like a bat, so he would be the one acting like a predator during the fight, and he'd be the one up in the rafters, where Batman gets a taste of his own medicine and is stuck on the ground, trying to evade him until he can beat him down.
- Considering that Deadshot and Bane have already appeared in the series, they could potentially have the rest of the Six as villains Batman will have to deal with. Catman could sic lions on him. Scandal and Ragdoll might take a more stealthy approach and the sixth member could even be Harley.
- The good guy one needs no explaining but for the bad guy one Riddler who will take Oracles role for the villains will discover that Scarecrow was behind Protocol 10 (manipulating Strange with fear toxin) and also discover that he plans to wipe out all other Gotham villains so he's number one he will inform several of the villain's of this and work with them to take down Scarecrow.
- The deaths of Joker and Talia drive Batman into retirement, Two Face is captured, as one of the more reasonable villains realizes Strange played him and suddenly wants to become normal again, and the other criminals are decimated from the events of the second game. However ten years later the mutants rise forcing Bruce Wayne to take up the mantle of Batman, Carrie Kelly is enamored by stories of the Dark Knight (ala Batman: The Animated Series) and becomes the new Robin, and Joker is somehow Back from the Dead. Given Batman's mindset his fighting becomes even more brutal and one of the boss battles will include tearing apart the mutant leader in the mud pit. The final boss? Superman, which will involve using the counter button to prevent Batman from landing a killing blow. The playable epilogue will involve Batman Back from the Dead and going after Lex Luthor.
- Not a bad idea, but it seems the story is Penguin had him killed.
- While the story did state that he was dragged kicking and screaming to the museum and was never seen again, you never find any evidence of him in the museum. I'm willing to bet that he managed to escape somehow and went into hiding.
- Not a bad idea, but it seems the story is Penguin had him killed.
- They should actually leave the Joker dead. He was a major (if not the primary) villain for two consecutive games (definitely this for the first one, and has more screentime than Hugo Strange in the second one, took control of nearly all Arkham City, plus he's the final villain to play his scheme, after Strange is defeated). He died, and we have Harley going (even more) crazy trying to avenge him, and ultimately his body being cremated in the follow-up comics. With Joker out of the picture, other villains will have more space for themselves. And let's be honest, it would be kinda boring having a third Joker-centric villain scheme, let the other ones have their time in the spotlight.
- Plus, bringing him back would ruin the shock and the power (and even the drama) of his definitive death. It was a strong, awesome scene and should be left untouched.
- Oh I'm not saying he should be brought back. There's a lot of ways a third game could play out without him. I'm saying if, if he makes a return who would be a worthy replacement for the role. As far as The Joker's death is concerned, what does that mean for the third game? Well for those who played it Two Face came out alright, with the other gangs decimated he is potentially the biggest threat. There are a couple of directions that could be taken with this, for one Harvey's psych compared to Bruce who had become closer and closer to his Batman: The Dark Knight Returns portrayal. With the film this year that might be inspiration to look at the idea of playing around with Harvey seeing what a monster he had become and Bruce in his state not listening. For another all of Gotham becoming a playing area with Scarecrow using his fear toxins is a popular theory, so the developers might listen and work that into the game. The super secret hint in the first game hinted at the second, the not so super secret hint in the second enforces the idea this might be the direction the game is heading. The point is the ending of the second game I'm sure will stick and sure it would be great if Joker does appear again but it should stick. I just think based on his previous roles David Boreanaz would be great in the role. It probably couldn't happen, and even if it could it likely shouldn't. If it did though, he'd be a good choice.
- He might come back as a fear gas hallucination, that's true. I'd choose John DiMaggio, he nailed it in Batman: Under the Red Hood. That Joker was awesome and terrifying.
- Indeed it was. If we are going by Joker appearing as a fear induced hallucination why not have multiple Jokers? Inspired by such sources as The Dark Knight, Batman: The Animated Series and yes, Batman: Under the Red Hood. Same with other villains and characters, we can have Dick Grayson becoming the person he was in Batman: The Dark Knight Returns, Jason Todd's death, we could have Penguin appear in his Arkham guise as well as the way he appeared in Batman Returns. That way we could get both voice actors and it would be a nice nod to not only the other interpretations of Batman but the works that like to tell different versions such as Gotham Knights, Legends of the Dark Knight, ect, or the stories where we think or Batman thinks it's real (Over the Edge, Perchance to Dream.)
- Troy Baker voiced the Joker in the prequels and despite what he said, Mark Hamill does voice the Joker halluications and flashbacks in Knight.
- And the title will be Batman: City of Terror.
- Hey, The Terror was the movie playing at the end. A subtle hint the third game will go in this direction?
- Not to mention the fact the level of detail on Gotham in this game despite the fact you would normally only see it in the distance. I believe it was designed as the beta for the actual Gotham for the sequel. And by the sheer size of it, it is going to be nothing short of Awesome.
- Batman: Freeze, you have to get out of here! The whole place is coming down!Freeze: Believe me... you're the only one who cares.
- Though, it doesn't explain how Batman could break the leg of one inmate, and then pass by again later to see the very same inmate up walking around with no problems.
I don't really care how much sense this makes. I just think it was a bad idea for Rocksteady to throw out that plot element so easily. Seriously. It's got a lot of potential.
- It's an intriguing idea but how would the child play a part in anything other than having his existence change those involved with him as it did with Harley? The kid wasn't going to be posing a direct threat any time soon. But who knows. Maybe a distant Arkham game will show Harley's kid trading punches with Terry.
Maybe not a new theory but I haven't seen it here before. Maybe I'm just getting the benefit of being late to the party, having missed this game in a deluge of games that came out around that time so I am only playing it a few months before Origins drops; so I knew the story going in via spoilers from friends...but the more I look at it, the more I think the whole game happens in Bruce's mind, and it's a bad trip on Fear Gas.
- "So how do you keep a secret from the World's Greatest Detective? Well, do you know? It's easy. You stick it right in front of him, right under his long, pointy nose and wait."
- Who is the only villain who doesn't explicitly factor into Arkham City at all? The major players are there; Joker, Riddler, Two-Face, Calyface, Ra's Al Ghul, Penguin, Killer Croc, Mr. Freeze, Bane, Poison Ivy and Catwoman (Heel–Face Revolving Door notwithstanding in her case). Several minor villains and supporting characters show up or are mentioned as well; Deadshot, Calendar Man, Hugo Strange (A major player here, but ultimately a footnote in Batman's overall history), Azrael, Jim Gordon, Barbara Gordon, Harley Quinn, Vicky Vale, Alfred, Robin, The Mad Hatter, Hush and even Maxie Freakin Zeus all make appearances! How is it the only villain who doesn't blatantly show up is Scarecrow? The kind of guy who would be having a field day in a place like Arkham City? And how come the mentions to Scarecrow are only in "Easter Eggs"? The boat that you have to find on your own...his mask just floating on the roof of a random building...random canisters of Fear Gas floating around the city. Bruce is under a severe dose of the Fear Gas while he's being hypnotized, interrogated or tortured, and his subconscious is trying to tell him it's Scarecrow, since Crane is manipulating him and not letting him know.
- Two different overheard conversations between the inmates reference Scarecrow.
- "How come Scarecrow isn't in here, all the other wierdos are?"
- "I haven't seen Scarecrow, maybe this place is one of his freaky nightmares."
- Batman's Fears
- What's Bruce's greatest fear? Failing Gotham City, he let a madman wall off some 40 blocks of it and turn it into a Hellhole Prison that gets blown up wantonly by helicopters.
- Another of Bruce's fears? Failing those he loves, like Talia. Letting her die would be a huge fear of his.
- Being poisoned and slowly dying? Who wouldn't be afraid of that?
- How come the church bell tower doesn't blow up until he makes a dramatic exit? Because it shouldn't in the context of his delusional hallucination.
- In the span of one night, Batman has to face all of his worst enemies in a nightmare scenario? They all just happen to be there, all happen to be running schemes he urgently needs to stop one after another? Talk about, when it rains, it pours. Another of Bruce Wayne's worst fears come to manifest.
- Why in an environment clearly set in the current timeline based on the technology available (Cell Phones, computers and the like, so post 21st century) would Hugo Strange just happen to leave a taunting message in Crime Alley on reel-to-reel tape? And how the hell did Batman listen to it? How did that tape manage to survive being in a warzone during a harsh winter storm? (Even if you find the tape before Protocol 10, it's been in Arkham City for who knows how long, int he middle of a multi super-criminal gang war, and gone undisturbed?)
- Why would the chalk outlines of Bruce's parents still be on the ground 25+ years later? Unless it's part of his dream. Revisiting the defining moment of his life would be in the purview of the effects of Fear Gas.
- The Joker's Death might not be a fear so much as it is an exploration of a psychological status. It may also be a reflection of the fact that Batman fears his own desire to kill the Joker himself.
- Joker being offered the chance to become the heir to Ra's Al Ghul would be a huge fear, even in thought. Ra's would never make such an offer, he knows the Joker is insane and would not continue his mission. But in a fear toxin-addled state, Batman's "worst case scenario" consciousness could easily concoct such a scenario.
- Batman is almost entirely alone against all of his greatest enemies while locked up in a hellish prison of his own city? Seriously, he never thought to call Robin, Nightwing, Huntress or the Justice League for help? None of them came to play The Cavalry independently?
- Perhaps Catwoman is one of the people trying to free Bruce from Crane's control, which is why she appears as an ally in his hallucination.
- Scarecrow thugs only show up at one specific point: During Protocol 10. While one of Bruce's greatest fears is coming true, the destruction of Gotham City, the one guy who's underlings are noticeably present are those of Dr. Crane, when they haven't been there the whole time?
- The only birds visible around Arkham City at all, are crows. Given the level of detail that Rocksteady put into this game this is not likely an oversight. True, maybe they didn't have time to make a bunch of different bird models, but then why include them at all?
- There are three hidden messages on undocumented radio frequencies. While not getting into the specifics of decoding them, they are as follows:
- "You will pay for what you have done to me."
- "I will return Batman."
- "Fear will tear Gotham City to shreds."
- These messages, again deeply hidden, can only come from Scarecrow. In fact the cypher for decoding the last one is the word "SCARECROW".
- Utterly Tossed. Harley Quinn's Revenge and Arkham Knight both take place after Arkham City and directly reference its events. The references to the Scarecrow are simply a Sequel Hook for Arkham Knight.
In addition to the basic Batman weaponry from previous games, Terry will also have enhanced strength thanks to the suit, allowing him to move obstacles and perform feats that Bruce wasn't able to in previous games, though this means that he would have to be put up against tougher enemies, relatively speaking, or ones that are fast enough to dodge his most powerful strikes. He would also have the active camouflage from the series, limited by only being available for use at short intervals and some enemies having specialized equipment to detect him.
In comparison, Two-Face carefully stock-piled the drugs, probably to have it tested before use while his two henchmen Terry and Tracy Trask who betrayed him and juiced up were shown tying up their arm to close a vein, using needles (fresh or clean) to administer it and pumping iron - they didn't just think that the drug would make them powerhouses. Also, note how different their Titan-induced states were compared to other characters - they were clearly sane, they could speak to other people just fine, but they didn't have any typical deformities such as tumors, deformed limbs or bone spikes protruding from the skin. Like any other drug, it just takes careful use for Titan to work, not a fuckload of it!
- Original poster here: the images and teases for Knight's "Season of Infamy" DLC confirmed that is indeed Croc's actual appearance, though the plot also reveals that it's just a further mutation.