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- In the first Diablo, all you gained from a level-up was a Level Up Fill Up and 5 stat points. Your actual damage and survivability were almost entirely based on items and spell levels; the best items could be worn at about 100 Strength (out of 255), stat points could be purchased and spells could be boosted by Enchanted Shrines. Not to mention that most utility spells stopped improving at spell level 7, despite having a spell level cap of 15. Mana Shield stopped improving at level 1 and the only reason to take it any higher was to prevent it from being lowered to 0.
- Casters in Diablo II. You can learn any spell between level 1 and 30 (out of 99). You can max it 20 levels later. You don't need more than one spell to kill every monster in the game, unless you have the expansion, in which case you need one spell and a way to cheese past immunes. Items that increase spell power are few and far between, and until patch 1.10, most of the best items are actually fairly low level (without the expansion, every single unique can drop before level 30). Assuming you max a level 24 or 30 spell, you hit a hard cap about halfway through the middle difficulty level and all you get from level-ups after that is a few piddly points of health or perhaps 1 more spell level from a new item. Meanwhile the monsters do continue to get stronger.
- While the levels never become truly empty, the level progression toward the end of the level cap in Diablo III increases your power much more slowly than in the beginning, culminating after you hit 70 and start unlocking "Paragon Levels", which give comparatively tiny bonuses that apply to all characters on your account. At this point, Equipment-Based Progression becomes the more efficient way of growing more powerful and the game becomes even more focused on Loot Grinding than before.
- Leveling in Seiken Densetsu 3 gives you a negligible HP boost and a stat point of your choice which does make a difference, however, there's a cap to each stat (depending on the character's class, and including the ultimate classes), meaning that if you're overleveled your new levels go towards improving not very useful stats, and eventually doesn't improve any stat at all, only getting you the aforementioned negligible HP boost.
- Leveling the Tech skill in Megatagmension Blanc Plus Neptune VS Zombies only gets you a new combo every other level.
Collectible Card Game
- In Kantai Collection, leveling up only boosts your girls' antisubmarine warfare, evasion and accuracy stats. It does nothing for HP or the other stats, which can only be raised by modernisation and remodelling. Given that the entire game is one big Luck-Based Mission, it's possible for a team of level 90-somethings to struggle with a map that a much lower-level team manage to beat.
- Some racing games, e.g. Need for Speed Underground, do this, making the opponents faster and cheaper the more your car is upgraded.
First Person Shooter
- Payday 2 uses the "Infamy" system that functions like the prestige system in other shooters. What differentiates it is that each Infamy level allows you to unlock a "Infamous" skill. On the second through fifth levels, these grant tangible uses by lowering skill investment costs on two skill trees of the player's choice (although the Fugitive tree is always one of the two, and the bonuses to that tree don't stack with future Infamy levels) as well as give a modest increase to exp gained. All the rest (the first and remaining 20 levels of infamy) only grant a unique mask and some exp, or just a flat exp boost. Since you have to be at level 100 to go infamous, this means that every other infamy level past 5 is essentially there only to make farming more infamy levels easier.
- Ghost Recon has a form of this with its minor RPG Elements. Every soldier has four stats, one of which can be upgraded if the soldier in question participates in and survives a mission. The Leadership stat, when sufficiently leveled, gives every soldier in the squadron a bonus point in every other stat. The problem here is that you need three points in Leadership to get the bonus. Moreover, each stat maxes out at 8 points, meaning you can only get the bonus twice from a single soldier before any further points put into Leadership will be completely wasted. Not to mention as well that only the soldier with the highest Leadership will actually apply that bonus to the rest of the squad. Even the developers realized this, with some particular late-game specialists in the expansions having straight 7's or 8's across all their stats... except for Leadership, which they only get 6 in.
- In City of Heroes (and, by extension, City of Villains), this basically happens every 5 levels. Rather than having actual equipment, you slot your powers with 'upgrades', each of which has its own level. You can equip enhancements that are as much as 3 levels higher than your own level, which makes their effect greater - it then decreases as you level up, while they remain static. When their level becomes lower than yours, they begin to lose their effect. Enhancements of every level Randomly Drops, but rarely the exact type YOU need. And the stores only sell enhancements with levels divisible by 5. The end result is that you're at your strongest when your level ends with 3 or 8 (since enhancements have a chance to merge for a +1 level bonus), and then steadily become weaker as you level up, until you're able to buy your NEXT set of upgrades... putting you back at roughly the same level of strength you were at 5 levels ago. Fortunately, this has largely been superseded by the addition of craftable Invention Origin Enhancements, which don't degrade (instead, higher levels ones are stronger).
- A more conventional use of the trope is the way that some levels provide a new power choice, while others only provide you with a few enhancement slots. While enhancements are the key to building a truly powerful character, these levels are rather less interesting - especially at lower levels, when the only available enhancements are rather weak, or higher levels, when all of the most important powers will already be fully slotted.
- EverQuest suffers from this as when you gain levels, you have to fight tougher monsters to gain experience. However, something called Alternate Advancement (AA) points can make a big difference in your power, and you can earn them at the lower levels. So gaining levels actually can make it harder to earn AA points. It is also the case that as players get more powerful, they also get more specialized, so that the steel armored warrior has a much greater defense proportionately at higher levels than the leather wearing druid. And since the monsters have to hit harder to be a challenge to the warrior, they now can kill the druid in just a few hits.
- Extremely common in Korean-styled MMORPGs, where levelling just gets you a couple stat points and a skill point, making the character only marginally better at most levels. Usually it's every 10 levels or so, when the next equipment set becomes available, that the characters actually make a significant advancement in strength. What this means is, as the enemies you are fighting start giving less experience, and you're forced to move on to stronger enemies, your character isn't meaningfully stronger until those key levels and the fights get harder.
- Trickster Online, a Korean MMORPG, has "hell levels." For each class they are slightly different. The toughest class to play is the Lion who uses firearms, because his hell levels start at level 1. The lion's gun damage is determined by the accuracy stat, while melee damage is given by the strength stat. Every character starts off weaponless, making the Lion's high accuracy useless and his low strength a huge liability. Until level 20 he is denied quality weapons, cannot use a shield, and cannot move while attacking. You're like a Glass Cannon, except just glass and no cannon.
- In Nexus War, leveling up means penalties to recovering from death.
- RuneScape has a fair bit of this in Player Versus Player combat, mainly only on Bounty Worlds. Leveling any combat skill raises your combat level, and since what level range of other players can attack you is a range from your own combat level, keeping your combat level as low as possible while maximizing your combat capability (by training certain combat skills more than others, in approximate order Str>Atk>Magic>Prayer>Ranged>Hits>Def) allows you to have an advantage over other players at the same combat level who have not focused on keeping their combat level low. Unfortunately for many would-be "Pro PKers", a vast majority of all active PKers between combat levels 20-110 (PKing unavailable below level 20, and at level 110-126 the only way to get combat levels at all is to max out those stats which increase combat level without boosting combat effectiveness all that much) have their stats set up in such a way to maximize Power-in-combat to Combat-level ratio. There is even a disclaimer in the website's FAQs stating that it is impossible to undo level-ups; once you have them, you're stuck with them for good. In addition, in the non-PvP potions of the game, new armour and weapons become usable at specific levels in specific skills, for example, the differences between level 80 attack (Chaotic Rapier) and level 79 attack (Still using Abyssal Whip) or level 70 attack (Can use Abyssal Whip) and level 69 attack (still using that oldschool Dragon weaponry) are far greater (in terms of how much it boosts your ability in combat) than any other single attack level-up.
- It used to be a big case in World of Warcraft prior to several overhauls of character progression in the Cataclysm and Mists of Pandaria expansions. In the original model of talent trees, most of them were just giving you plus one or two percent damage to one of your abilities, only once in a while giving access to a whole new skill. Same was for new skills available from trainers - most of the levels only gave rankups of old skills, actual new abilities coming only rarely. However, under the newest system, the base skills scale in level automatically and level-ups often award new abilities or expand or alter your old ones. One especially notable empty level moment used to be level 10 - on that level, you gained access to the talent tree and thus the capability to choose your specialisation! Except all it originally amounted to was a couple percents increase to one ability. Now it gives you a base set of whole new abilities for your specialisation as well as a notable boost to damage with them.
- At the same time however, a simplified skill tree now only gives you a skill point at certain levels, the rank-ups being removed (and several rather useless skills being removed outright), there are now plenty of those levels where you get nothing but the statistical improvements.
- In Digimon Masters Online, one will notice that by around Digimons' level 70 up to 90, these levels don't increase the Digimon's stats anymore at all. There is only a visible slight increase in the Critical Hit Rate per level from this point on. This is easily notable in high level grinding where the Digimon's relative strength is dictated almost purely by its offensive power (making Digimon meant to be tanks almost useless due to a sizable number of factors). However, Evasion and Critical are affected by the level gap between the Digimon and its target; generally, if your target is of a lower level then criticals happen more often, where as the reverse is also true (higher level target = much less criticals). The damage dealt by a critical is also increased with higher critical rate (e.g. a 1400 base damage strike with 60% critical hit rate's critical hit is less powerful than a 1400 base damage strike with 80% critical hit rate's critical hit.)
- In Lineage2, save for the first few levels, the stat increase from levels themselves doesn't make much of a gameplay difference (outside requiring you to fight tougher monsters), what does make a difference is getting new skills (which include significant stat increases), which comes with levels, however, not every level gets you skills. For levels 40-70 you get skills (depending on class) every 4-3 levels, and from then on every 3-2 levels. The levels inbetween are empty.
- In Sonic Adventure 2 Battle, the Chao Karate has a feature like this where the amount of damage the enemy does and how much you do to them seems to be rooted in the swim stat. To elaborate: if your chao has all (just for the sake of simplicity, B-rank skills) level 84 skills except for swim and stamina, which are level 70 and you get your ass kicked in chao karate, you'd think that leveling up your swim (doubles as the defense stat) would make you more resistant to damage, right? Wrong! While leveling up swim increases your defense to the point where every single hit doesn't do extreme damage, it also makes the enemies themselves more resistant to damage, faster, more likely to dodge, and for some weird reason, hit harder (at a certain point, increasing defense will reach an equilibrium with their attack (power) stat resulting in a minimum level of damage). However, the fact that they also grow generally tougher too after you stop reaping the benefits of higher defense means that you are actually making this stronger. Now take that chao of yours and give him a level 91 defense state and keep everything else the same. Suddenly, even though you used to be faster than the guy who beat you and he never evaded, he's dodging every other hit and beating you to the punch.
- To cut it short: keep your swim a bit below your other stats (except for fatigue, which really doesn't ever need to go any higher than level 60) and focus on increasing your power and run stats, as these will let you hit harder and more frequently.
- When playing An Untitled Story on the higher difficulties, the amount of damage you take in later areas accelerates faster than the maximum health you have, even if you collect every health power-up possible. So, while you might take six hits to kill at the beginning, eventually, you'll go down in one or two. Since the difficulty settings also subtly tweak the platforming sections, this can be a sore point for players who still want the more challenging platforming of the higher difficulties without virtually being a One Hitpoint Wonder in later sections.
- The Tasen and Komato stats Iji has don't do anything unless they're at levels three, six or ten, so you're only putting points into them to build them up to those levels. This is even more noticeable on Ultimortal difficulty, as you can only increase your health at it maxes out after nine levels, rendering any levels afterwards useless.
- Due to how the stat system works in Puzzle Quest, every other level is empty, because you don't have enough points to raise anything important until two levels have passed.
Real Time Strategy
- Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War 2 features squads that level up and can collect ever more powerful gear, but rather than facing more powerful types of enemies, you simply face the same old enemies leveled to match you. You fight level 1 slugga boyz at level 1, then level 15 slugga boyz at level 15. At first glance, there is no apparent point to leveling up, as doing so merely results in smallish stat boosts with every skill point, but every 10 skill points would provide a powerful new ability that could change how each of the squads played. This, combined with new unlockable wargear options that were exponentially more powerful than the initial loadouts (thunderhammers, orbital bombardments, and Terminator armour were the most egregious examples), caused massive spikes in the power of the player's squads every couple missions with little noticeable gain in between.
- In the IOS and PC game Battlestations Harbinger, when you gain levels you get a new ship added to the catalogue of what you can start with and add to your support fleet until you reach the maximum of Level 21. However the best ships in the game are found around Level 12 and 13, the Armada capital ship and the Valiant heavy cruiser carrier. The ship you can choose at Level 14 is absolutely awful, being excessively slow and having fewer main gun hardpoints as the previous ships. At Level 15 the next ship is even worse, it gains a significant boost in speed (which in this game, isn't very important) but it loses a carrier slot and it has no point defense coverage on the flanks and rear. In a game where the Mighty Glacier dominates, being a quick ship isn't all that (weapons are often hit-scan or otherwise to fast too dodge even for the quickest ship, while fighter squadrons will outpace any ship. That's why point-defense, fighter squadrons, strong shields/armour and a lot of main guns is more important). The final ship you get at Level 21, has 3 carrier slots for the most amount of fighters, good armour, decent point-defense and it's very quick, but it only has a single main gun slot.
- NetHack monster difficulty is the average of experience level and dungeon level. If you are playing a class that gains little combat ability with experience levels, gaining a level can be a step backwards, especially if the new monster difficulty introduces some particular early-game terror.
- In the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon series, the stat gains you get from leveling become so small at times that you're much better off hunting for stat boosting items instead. Exactly when this happens varies from species to species, with some having it occur at the higher levels, others at the lower levels, while still others don't really follow any sort of pattern at all.
- Quite literally the case with Shedinja in Rescue Team and Explorers. There are plenty of level ups in which Shedinja does not increase a single stat. It is generally recommended to level Nincada to level 100 before choosing to evolve.
Role Playing Game
- Hyperdimension Neptunia has this only when you try and increase your level with DLC past the cap of 99. You only get one point per stat and with no increase to HP or AP. The only upshot is that Item Points still increase by two, so you can at least use your item skills a bit more.
- In Breath of Fire (the first one), when you get to about Level 60+, sometimes you will see see "Character reaches level yy!" and... that's it. Not even a single hit point. Not much reward after the ridiculous grind (especially since the game divides XP gained by how many group members total you have, up to 8) to get to those high levels...
- In Earthbound, any level-up that's not a multiple of 4 can be very wimpy. You might get as little as only a single point increase to your max HP.
- The Elder Scrolls:
- In Morrowind, the leveling system is such that for every 10 increases of your major/minor skills, you'll gain a level. However, attribute increases are tied to all skills that use that attribute. The result is that if you don't remember to train your miscellaneous skills in addition to your major/minor skills, you can end up with a character with a high level but pitiful attributes. The most effective builds end up tagging many of the least used (or at least hardest to level) skills as primary ones, so that you won't "accidentally" level and cheat yourself out of attribute bonuses.
- In The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, levels are not simply worthless, but actively want you dead. Simply leveling up when you have the option is likely to result in an insignificant bonus to your abilities, but all the enemies still get harder. Everywhere. And your actual strength in combat is linked to abilities that aren't governed by your level. Fortunately you don't have to level up, as it only happens when you go to sleep, and your player has no biological requirement for sleep. Rather than deal with all the annoyance of making sure you get stronger by increasing level a lot of players simply avoid sleeping. This can all result in the land being saved from a horde of extremely feeble monsters by a strangely competent chronic insomniac. Even worse, Skill Levels are more important for your character for everything except Raw HP, and you don't need to level up to get higher skill levels. The only real consolation you get for leveling up is that the Infinity Plus One items are only available at higher levels. It is highly likely that you are going to need them. There is a point, however, when enemies will stop getting stronger when you level up, reducing the difficulty when you reach much higher levels.
- Unfortunately, even if you level up effectively, friendly NPCs do not, making escort missions with non-essential NPCs very difficult as your allies get torn apart in seconds. Particularly hilarious in the quest where you protect (what's left of) the city of Kvatch. If you do this quest early on, as the game expects you to, the town guards fighting alongside you are wimps being terrorized by the goblin-like Scamps, who don't do much besides flinging slow-moving, weak fireballs. Postpone it until you're level 20 or so and the guards' reaction will finally look appropriate, now that they are facing humanoid crocodiles, magma golems and demonic sorcerers.
- The difficulty has a tendency to spike after about the tenth level as much tougher and different enemies are suddenly introduced without any warning and without your equipment getting much better to keep up. Up to this point, you've gradually been doing better and better, gradually taking control of the game. Suddenly, you'll start seeing intermediate and advanced enemies, and they are far deadlier than anything you faced up to this point. Between level 12 and level 18, you'll die a lot. It gets easier again past level 25 as you once again firmly pull out far ahead of your foes.
- The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim has a much improved system after the struggles of its predecessors, doing away with attributes completely while having you increase your Health, Magicka, or Stamina by 10 each level. In addition, you can pick one new perk per level to increase your effectiveness within a particular skill. However, empty leveling is still possible if you invest perks primarily in non-combat skills.
- Fallout 3, if you have Broken Steel. It's particularly egregious because the new monsters it introduces would be Demonic Spiders to even a character who reached level 50, and the cap is 30. It's even possible for a character to gain no stats at all from a level up.
- Fallout 3's system was actually implemented as a direct response to Oblivion. Oblivion started with a basic NPC and added levels and improved gear as the player leveled. By level 20 or so, this created a bizarre world where every random bandit wears a suit of top-shelf armor and has an artifact-level enchanted weapon. Fallout instead uses a list of pre-built enemies with a short list of random equipment. These enemies rotate in and then out as the player levels. For example, a level 8 character will start encountering Super Mutant Brutes in addition the garden variety Super Mutants. By level 15, there will be almost no regular Super Mutants to be found, having given over almost entirely to Brutes and tougher-still Masters (this system was used again in Skyrim). Similarly, standard Mirelurks are mostly replaced by Mirelurk Hunters at high levels. The Demonic Spiders of Broken Steel start appearing among their lower-level brethren around Level 15, and can almost completely supplant them in some areas, e.g. the Super Mutant Overlords in Vault 87 and Feral Ghoul Reavers in Franklin Metro.
- It is one of the most literal examples of the trope because your attributes and skills only provide a minimal boost to effectiveness in combat outside the combat skill you are using (which you can max out at the very beginning of the game). Gaining levels causes enemy variants with higher health and generally better weapons to appear. Your actual combat effectiveness is based on what weapons and armor you have. So the level scaling is not actually related to the aspect of the game that defines how good you perform in combat.
- This is somewhat of a moot point in any case. The effectiveness of late game weapons is so ridiculous that even mid-tier pistols would liquefy Behemoths, Overlords, and Hellfire Troopers with ease.
- This is a recurring issue among Fallout 3's DLC. The devs apparently expected players to be playing through the new areas and quests with high-level, end-game characters, rather than making new characters to re-explore the wasteland along with the new content - but the way they found to balance the enemies against high-level players was by simply giving them flat damage resistance against the player's weapons and guaranteed damage that ignores the player's armor. This leads to ridiculous situations where, for instance, Point Lookout's backwater tribals using pistol-caliber rifles or double-barrel shotguns and wearing no armor - often not even a shirt - are the equivalent of a Super Mutant Brute or Master wielding a missile launcher back in the Capital Wasteland at both resisting dozens of your bullets and near-instantly pasting you with theirs. It's most apparent in Mothership Zeta, where the aliens with Deflector Shields increase their Damage Resistance even further as you level up, as well as increasing in frequency. By the level cap at 30, they can be Nigh Invulnerable, possibly creating an unwinnable situation.
- Fallout: New Vegas makes things both better and worse. The list is less obvious, with Fiends using low-mid level equipment the whole game and ubiquitous NCR and Legion troopers peaking around level 8. On the flip side, Deathclaws are terrifying murder machines at every level, especially in Lonesome Road where they level with the player, as do most other DLC enemies. Super Mutants also scale much faster than they did in 3 (you're already seeing Brutes and even Masters by level 6), primarily because they're much rarer in the Mojave than they were in DC. While this reduces instances of "These guys are nearly killing me, I must have leveled up!", the decision to only award a Perk every even level instead of every level makes all those odd levels feel emptier.
- Tellah of Final Fantasy IV actually has his physical stats decrease as he gains levels to simulate the effects of old age. Fusoya is a more straight example, since his stats don't change after a level up.
- Most characters have a chance of not increasing any stats, or even decreasing them, when they level up after they reach level 70. Oddly, the one with the best post-70 level-ups is Edward.
- Final Fantasy III has an interesting inversion in that the Onion Knight class has pretty much empty level ups until they reach level 92, whereupon they have almost game-breakingly powerful levels. They go from being all but useless at 90 to by far the most powerful at 99.
- If you want real ultimate power in Final Fantasy VI, put off gaining levels until you start getting a selection of Espers. The only thing you get for gaining levels before this is a pile of hit points and a tiny bit of Mana. The damage algorithm does take levels into account, but you're still not increasing your base stats without Espers. This also means equipment selections are more important than usual.
- Final Fantasy VIII is undoubtedly the king of this trope; the game becomes much easier once you disable random encounters and just abuse the crap out of GF-junctioning by playing the card game for items to transmute into spells. You can also increase up to four of your stats by one point each by junctioning the proper GFs and abilities. These points are in addition to those the character would otherwise have gotten.
- Final Fantasy IX is similar, although not quite as bad because your characters' base stats do increase somewhat when they level. However, their base stats increase more when wearing gear that increases that base stat. Therefore, to get the highest stats possible, you need to keep your characters at level one until you get gear with high stat bonuses. note
- Final Fantasy X zig-zags this one. The game had several empty spots on its "spheregrid" leveling system, and several abilities required you to follow a sidepath and then waste time moving back to where you left off. Fortunately, you could retrace 4 previously crossed spaces for the cost of moving to a single new one, and later in the game, you got both the ability to teleport around the spheregrid and the ability to fill in the empty spaces with new bonuses. Heck, in the "post-game," you could rip out weaker stat bonuses and replace them entirely with stronger ones!
- Final Fantasy Tactics can also fall into this trope if you Level Grind excessively without advancing the plot. Monsters get a lot of power just from leveling up, while human characters (especially physical-based classes) only get some power from leveling up and get more power from improving their gear. Since the enemies in random battles are tied to the average level of your party (while story battles have pre-set levels for the enemies), and many random battles contain monsters. Unless you go through the pains of nicking off gears off the humans from random encounters (their equipment are appropriately upgraded for their levels), those monsters can become a real pain very quickly.
- In the browser RPG Heroes Of Ardania, levels mean almost nothing to most classes except HP. If a player "plays as they should", their rise in levels and their rise in power should mostly be around the same (power will go faster for a player that really knows what they're doing). But if a player just gains empty xp without doing quests or getting good items, in certain areas the number of monsters will rise depending on level and the player won't be strong enough. Of course, that is the player's own damn fault, and level only matters in a few instances anyway.
- Knights of the Old Republic suffered from this to an extent. The max level one could get was 20. However, the protagonist would not become a Jedi until a few hours in to the game; party members also joined at whatever level the protagonist currently was. Thus it was of more benefit to not level the protagonist until they had become a Jedi so that the more useful (i.e. Jedi-related) abilities could be leveled up more. The exception was a handful of builds that benefit from having more sneak attack from Smuggler levels. Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords attempted to fix both issues in some form. The first was properly fixed by having your character start as a Jedi and having their numerical level, but not stats, reset when taking on a prestige classnote . The second was attempted by having companions start at level 1, with retroactive experience given to bring them up to the same level as your current party; however, this just resulted in the same issue as for the player character from the first game, as with enough influence the player can turn most companions into Jedi, and as such a player would want to level them up as little as possible before that point lest they waste any of their companions' potentialnote .
- Hits Shin Megami Tensei quite a bit. While not very noticeable early on in the game, levels eventually become less and less useful as the game goes on... for brawlers. This is not helped by the fact that most of the time stats cap out at 40, and you need 2 points of Speed or Vitality for 1 point of defense, while your amour will give at least 200 points by itself.
- Happens in The Last Remnant. Your battle rank goes up according to how many fights you have fought. The more battles you fight, the harder the encounters become. And the more upgrades a character gets, the longer it takes them to level up that stat again. So if you thought you could ignore recruitment and just turn Rush into a One-Man Army through fighting monster after monster in the Ruins of Robelia Castle, you're in for a nasty shock.
- Balanced in the PC version. While BR still scales HP/stats/art levels, it's not as detrimental to the player anymore, allowing stat gains later on for newer recruits. Additionally, characters all have their own individual (albeit invisible) battle rank in addition to the party's, allowing them to gain stats at their own pace to a certain extent.
- Muramasa: The Demon Blade zig-zags this. Bosses, bonus dungeons and the Sword of Plot Advancement do require you to level up. However, the bosses are the "normal" level up rate, the bonus dungeons are sporadic, and the swords start with the rarer need to level up and then force you to level up faster to get them. The biggest example of Empty Levels, though, is that the enemies level up with you, so that you are always challenged, and generally more so if you were trying to gain levels at even a slightly faster rate.
- Due to a bug, Phantasy Star IV characters would actually lose stats and abilities when they hit level 99.
- Utilized in Risen; leveling requires a Double Unlock where you have to expend "level points" to increase your strength, speed, special skills, etc. Otherwise, all you get is a HP increase and the ability to use leveled loot.
- The SaGa series has a variation: characters don't gain levels in the traditional sense, instead powering up based on the player's actions. However, these stat gains don't always scale well with how the enemies grow stronger, resulting in Nintendo Hard difficulties. The worst of the lot by far is Unlimited Saga: around the middle of the game, finishing a map is likely to give you worse rewards than any of the stats you've already gained, and you can't skip an "upgrade", meaning you have to have a dump slot on the Grid that drags your stats down.
- Long before Oblivion ever hit the scene, Ultima III (at least the NES port) was dick-slapping players with this trope. At the beginning of the game, all the overworld enemies can be mass-exterminated with spells that cost nothing to cast. On the other hand, leveling up makes all the enemies tougher (quickly phasing out the ones that can be easily exterminated)... without increasing your base stats. As a result, it was best to play as much of the game as possible without gaining any levels!
- The Throne of Bhaal expansion for Baldurs Gate 2 raises the XP cap all the way to 8 million (allowing for level caps somewhere around level 40 for non-multi or dual classed characters.) There's not much point in leveling up that far, though, as by around level 30 all leveling up does is give you a little more HP and an extra high-level ability to choose from (and if you're a mage, you'll have probably already gotten all the possible high-level spells and extra spell slots you can possibly get before then, and thus won't even get that option.)
- The big winners are dual- and multi-class characters as the cap is applied to all experience ever earned by the character over his or her lifetime, not to the experience for each individual class. This means that a high-level fighter who dual classes to mage will have a reasonable opportunity to have their mage level exceed their fighter levels (allowing them to use their fighter abilities again). This may have been the purpose of the high cap.
- In Soulblazer, leveling up increases your HP, Attack, Defence, and Luck scores. Attack, Defence, and Luck max out at level 24, by which point you'll probably be at or near the end of the game. All you get from this point on is 2HP per level. To make things worse, experience requirements increase almost exponentially, so leveling quickly becomes a torturous grind. You might get two or three levels for some extra HP against the Final Boss, but anythings else is just for bragging rights. If, however, you continue to spend hours grinding, at level 47, you max out your health at 100HP, and the final 3 levels you can gain give you absolutely nothing; they just bring your level count to a nice round 50. And Level 47 is reached at 59 million EXP, points, while you won't hit level 50 until 100 million. Those three useless levels take a full 2/5 of your EXP. For comparison, level 24 only needs 420 thousand
- Rune Factory levels tend to not give you too much along the line of stats, especially late game. Thankfully, the equipment you can make more than makes up for this.
- This has been a major complaint about Tales of Zestiria. As most if not all stat buffs come from items rather than levels, gaining levels tends to be all but useless.
- Despite being the protagonist, Kyuu of Rakenzarn Tales has pretty pitiful stat growth, with only decent HP and RP increases and only a tiny bit to his others. This is, however, both justified in that Kyuu is not a natural fighter and thus wouldn't gain as much from combat as the others and exploited in that it encourages the player to get Kyuu to go and train with others in order to gain the moves he needs to survive.
- Downplayed in Dark Souls. Levels do become less useful in the late game, as they become much more expensive and there are certain caps of effectivness. By then strength and play style is more dependent on your Weapon of Choice and getting good at the game. However they never become completely useless due to needing certain stats high enough for certain gear and the Absurdly High Level Cap.
Shoot Em Up
- In Battle Garegga, the Dynamic Difficulty increases the further you go without dying, the more you shoot, and the more you power up, etc. If your rank is too high, the later levels may become unwinnable.
- The arcade shooter Twin Eagle can suffer from this, due to its piss-cheap and unbalanced Dynamic Difficulty system. For example, if you make it to the high-speed sequence fully powered up, there's a great chance you will encounter the Demonic Spider red jets, which will often deliver unavoidable death with their missiles and rapid-fire bullets, making these sequences a Luck-Based Mission. And the game has Unstable Equilibrium too, which means you lose all your powerups if you die, meaning you are fucked in the later levels. And those goddamned mini-choppers appear a lot more often and shoot more rapidly on the higher dynamic difficulties, also often causing unavoidable deaths.
- While the levels in Dead Island do increase your total health and give you points to spend customizing your abilities, zombies level with you. Your damage is mostly dependent on your weapons, meaning your expensively upgraded weapons fall a little more behind the zombies each time you level up and you need to find, upgrade, and modify new weapons.
- The problem is even worse at higher levels since by level 30 or so the player has probably picked all the best combat abilities and only has weaker ones left to choose from. A level 40 character who has spend six ability points on increasing their number of inventory slots (no help in combat) and increasing their resistance to explosion damage (very situational) is barely any better off than a level 34 character without those perks, plus their level 34 weapons aren't so powerful any more.
- Warframe is guilty of this for... well, pretty much everything, at least on paper. Instead of getting direct stat bonuses when leveling up, your equipment gains points that can be used to customize it with mods, which provide the actual stat boosts. Sooner or later, you'll hit a new level only to find that you can't fit any more mods on. While weapons play the trope completely straight, Warframes and Archwings don't suffer quite so much, gaining small increases to health, shields, or energy every level, as well as unlocking and ranking up powers at specific levels.
Turn Based Strategy
- The Fire Emblem games have this happen sometimes, due to the random level-up system. One playthrough may have every one of your party members with level five stats at equivalent level 40; the next may see you with an entire party of Game Breakers with maxed-out stats at level 25.
- Radiant Dawn has a bonus experience system to mitigate this; at the end of each chapter you are given "bonus experience" that you can then expend on units in between maps, and if a unit levels up from bonus experience, their level up will always raise exactly three stats (or whatever is left that isn't capped if there's less than three stats to raise). Besides ensuring more stable growth, it can be exploited to raise a unit's weaker stats once they cap stats they have higher growths in, especially useful for a unit that tends to cap some stats fast while having a lackluster growth in a vital stat. With normal level ups, Radiant Dawn also always forces at least one stat to raise up during leveling, to prevent instances of a unit leveling up with no stat growths at all.
- On the other side of the coin though, you may well have a character cap all of his stats midway through his last tier (Nolan says hi), and the final levels cannot yield any further stat gain.
- In Civilization V, Archery is an empty technology for the Mayans, who can build archery units right at the start of the game. The only reason to learn it is to unlock technologies for which it is a prerequisite, starting with The Wheel.
- Dungeons & Dragons is the Trope Maker. While early-edition clerics and magic users could gain new spells with every few levels, fighters and thieves were mainly stuck with the standard increase in attack bonus, saving throws and hit points that everyone got upon leveling up, in addition to increase in skill percentages if you were playing a thief. Combine this with increasingly-horrifying supernatural enemies against whom sharp-sword-swinging was a decreasingly recommendable tactic (powerful undead in particular, whose Level Drain attacks didn't care a whit about your armor and turned anyone they killed into more of them), and it wasn't too long before the Linear Warriors, Quadratic Wizards thing took hold (course, there were some enemies that were very resistant if not immune to magic, so the casters weren't immune either). Each edition has attempted to fix this, but ultimately only succeeded in making the problem worse. It is such that in 3rd/3.5 if you are not a caster you are required to take short dips in many different classes - something that only works because the martial classes are front loaded in addition to being loaded with empty levels. In 4th you might get features, but rarely are these features actually meaningful in any way. So not only are you required to heavily optimize your character just to keep your attack up at the same rate that enemy defenses scale, but you are most likely still using low level abilities to do this as the higher level abilities are not even necessarily better!
- Also literally an empty level is Rogue 20 (the Level Cap) in edition 3.5- unlike almost every other level or class in the game, you get actually nothing for it. The standard bonuses to health, accuracy, and defenses are given to all classes, so Rogue 19/Anything 1 is better than Rogue 20
Thog: thog only multiclass to fighter for two levels to get bonus feats. fighter level 3 is dumb level. thog not take.
- Even worse was Fighter 5, the absolute most pointless level in the game, which only increases attack bonus, hit points, and the minimum possible number of skill points, with no class features and no increase in saving throws. The only reason to take it is to get to Fighter level 6, and a serious optimizer only has about three reasons to do that (two specific 20-level builds or a particular alternative class feature at level 6). On the other hand, serious optimizers seldom recommend taking Fighter past level 2... or at all.
- The fighter situation was referenced in The Order of the Stick:
- The "Truenamer" class from the Tome of Magic splatbook was perhaps the most sorely afflicted with dead leveling. Its core ability was based around using a skill check to invoke its powers. The problem is that skills have a maximum rank of 4+level, and the difficulty of said check increases by 2 each level, meaning that the Truenamer winds up getting further and further behind each level. This could be ameliorated by buying skill boosting items, but the officially published items only scale to mid levels, and not all DMs would allow getting higher level skill boosting items using the custom item creation rules.
- Sorcerer Level 2 was an arguable example. Other than the standard increase (and being a Squishy Wizard, it was barely noticeable), your gain in spells known consisted of one new zero-level spell. Paladin gets Lay on Hands and Divine Grace, wizard gets two new first-level spells like Mage Armor or Protection form Evil, sorcerer can make a small light now. There's a reason that delayed casting was a Scrappy Mechanic for sorcerer players.
- There's an online Character Class article that tries to fix dead levels with "minor special abilities" that you can add if there's no existing class feature present.
- Clerics in 3.5 have the worst case of all, as they have literally no class features after level 1, just progression in saves, BAB, and spellcasting. Any Prestige Class that advances divine spellcasting is better than taking levels in Cleric.
- Pathfinder took a look at 3rd Edition and carefully designed the revised base classes so that all of them get something new (either a class feature or a new range of spells) at each level. The aforementioned fighter is a good example. It used to be that every odd level (except for first) was a dead level but the added armor training and weapon training abilities gave fighters a small bump in power. It was also made less boring by various archetypes (specialized sub-classes) that give it more flavor, such as gladiator, crossbowman, roughrider, corsair, etc.
- Sadly, the proliferation of extra abilities didn't necessarily make the classes significantly more powerful - just load them with more description text and things to keep track of. It should be noted that an online supplement for 3.5 already suggested minor abilities be added in any "dead level" of a class, but restricted dead level abilities to very weak ones that would not affect game balance. Pathfinder was less timid, adding abilities that were more useful and powerful, but despite claims made by the designers, if anything, the Linear Warriors, Quadratic Wizards gap actually grew rather than shrank in Pathfinder, since almost every class received boosts, while many melee-oriented feats were nerfed or split.
- 4th Edition went to great lengths to avert this, with a standard level progression for all classes, PC and monster attacks and defenses scaling pretty evenly (although characters generally need to spend a few feat slots to keep up with the 'expected' progression, leading to the much maligned 'feat tax' abilities), and the paragon paths and (especially) epic destinies adding new and (usually) awesome powers for all high level characters. As a result the game is pretty balanced for most classes across most levels.
- Also literally an empty level is Rogue 20 (the Level Cap) in edition 3.5- unlike almost every other level or class in the game, you get actually nothing for it. The standard bonuses to health, accuracy, and defenses are given to all classes, so Rogue 19/Anything 1 is better than Rogue 20
- With the introduction of Levelers in Magic: The Gathering, your creature could in theory gain levels ad infinitum, but will only gain abilities at certain thresholds. These usually have a small gap (usually 1 or 2, and rarely 3) for the first effect, and large gaps (sometimes reaching 12 or more) for the second ability. Everything else in-between does nothing but chew up your mana for the turn, and since these creatures are very rarely immune to creature removal and it's blatantly obvious to your opponent when you'll get the final level-up that matters, they can save their removal until you've wasted as much mana as possible.
- In Blood Bowl, some players start with very good stats and only get better the more levels and skills they get. Others start out with pretty much everything they need to fulfill their role, and gaining too many levels can actually be detrimental to you because it increases your team's team value without increasing its effectiveness. Practically every lineman or player with 'stunty' falls into this category; a level or two can be handy for some specialisation, but beyond that the cost increases aren't worth it.
- For most classes in Rifts, Nearly all levels after the first are effectively empty, except for certain abilities that may gain potency or additional uses at set levels. This is due to most classes gaining most or all of their features right off the bat.