The notifier messages are automated.

As for my response to your native English speaker claim, the entry you added clearly had awkward sentences that even an ESL wouldn't make sense of. And looking at your edits on other pages, there's a pattern of awkwardness that runs deeper than mere grammar misunderstanding.

It is also not up to other users to constantly pick up the slack you leave behind.

I note you have failed to acknowledge the concerns raised about your own behaviour.

I could have worded it nicer, in which case I apologize. However, it doesn't change the fact that accumulating notifiers and not heeding them won't do you any favours; not when you did edit war fairly recently on Elden Ring.

I agree. And the whole discussion on YAGOO's CEO activities is bordering on Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment since it's about the more serious real life topics (management of a company in this case). I'd say we remove the whole entry.

A slight bit late asking (since I already added an entry related), is it okay to apply Alternate Character Interpretation to the HAACHAMA×Akaihaato storyline? It's not about any of the Virtual YouTubers themselves but moreso the characters Haato portrays in her Kudzu Plot.

Alternate Character Interpretation has had a track record as being one of the most rampantly misused tropes across the site. I wouldn't be surprised if a cleanup or outright axing of the trope occurs in the near future.

Feel free to cut that or anything with this trope that seems to go too much into controversial territory

Then link/post the Evidence. It's not necessarily that I don't believe you/it, but if one were going to claim something as bold as that, it is a MUST to provide the evidence directly within your entry. Otherwise, it easily sounds like projection or baseless conjecture.

i would love to see where this goes, since i've seen comments floating around You Tube saying stuff to similar effect.

edit: found this on the Virtual Youtubers subreddit - tl;dr at the very least, Artia and Rosalyn are pretty two-faced between English and Chinese social media, and Chinese antis are pretty amused that Westerners are trying so hard to defend people that don't actually like them back

there's also this guy who says that while some of the ibb.co document is true, a good chunk of it is random social media posts taken out of context, so believe what you want to believe i guess. he double checked the translation and is more of the opinion Artia was more like a real life example of "Well Done, Son" Guy to the CCP rather than any genuine malice against holoJP.

all of this is a Manipulative Editing and/or Lost in Translation shitshow so please, if any of you guys actually decide to use anything from those links, don't present it as fact.

I've seen it, though I find it hard to believe as these Chinese antis tend to believe deeply their own narratives despite reality, such as believing Fubuki would throw Coco under the bus.

i should also add that the same video was originally posted on /r/Hololive here but was unceremoniously deleted without a pinned message from a mod (apparently that's SOP there), leading people to suspect Artia's trying to bury this. she had mod status at the time (probably still does)

edit: i took this to the Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment forum thread, because this just screams that, and i think whatever we come up with here is gonna be inherently biased.

i would've edited my last post for this, but i feel like this should be separate

apparently Chinese antis are posing as Taiwanese fans to sow so much drama that Westerners simply stop giving a shit about Coco and Haato

so yeah... more reason to not jump the gun on hololive CN business

(edit: apparently this so-called False Flag Operation is so blatantly obvious that basically all of /r/virtualyoutubers is either laughing at or ignoring this)

Someone recently tweaked the Americans Hate Tingle entry to include Civia specifically as one of the Hololive China members involved in the harassment campaign. Is this factual enough to be relevant, or does this still rely on dodgy evidence? The sited source is still the same post that drawn skepticism from others, so I question if it's even allowed to appear in this entry to begin with.

Sorry, this one is on me. Checked it again and just as I thought, she wasn't actually mentioned at all (only 2nd gen are). I will revert that block to remove the misinformation that I had put in.

EDIT(2022/05/18): So it turns out it wasn't misinformation after all, but the allegation back then was not backed with evidence. That changed as of last week when someone did a "Where are they now?" video for CN, but it is locked behind that person's membership. Galaxy Light lemme know if you need a capture of the relevant part.

Indeed. We should be removing the Taiwan incident warning on every page now.

I didn't watch that specific stream so I don't know how it went but I recall the scheduling of the stream was indeed very vague (initially, she never specified "graduating from high school" in her thumbnail, description etc.). Knowing Haachama, I believe this confusion is all planned and thus qualify for a Crosses the Line Twice entry IMO (she has done similar bait-and-switch type streams like this in the past, but not quite as far as that).

Is there anything on this entry that can be improved?

• One example that doesn't involve her insanity is her highschool graduation stream^note She sucessfully graduates from highschool and is planning to go back to Japan after staying in Australia. What makes it not just a heartwarming moment but also crossing the line twice, stems from Aloe Mano's very serious harrassment-induced graduation several months prior^note which comes from the word "graduation" used as a synonym for retirement in the idol industry, making the entire fanbase wary of any time the word "graduation" pops up, paranoid of it about a talent leaving the company permanently. This understandably had her audience worried that said "graduation" would actually mean that Haachama is retiring, until she clarified that "graduation" means that she succeded in highschool, which means she can go back home to Japan.

The the whole Taiwan incident with Coco and Haachama, people are assuming that Manjuu/Yostar (companies founded in China, but currently operate more in Japan) would stop business because of it when their stance has never been nationalist.

The Chinese ver is SOL though as its publisher (not Yostar unlike most others) is on the nationalist side.

We don't actually have any Les Yay examples written on YMMV/Hololive at the moment. IMO, To justify having a Les Yay page, we would need at least enough examples to roughly fill up a computer screen. So feel free to start adding Les Yay entries to YMMV/Hololive, and once it gets big enough, we will make a Les Yay/Hololive page. But please read the bold text within the Ho Yay trope page to remind yourself what is and what isn't Les Yay beforehand.

there's a reason why i put that forum thread there as a comment, the site mods apparently don't take too kindly to "memes" that aren't really memes and would be more considered a Running Gag type of deal. they regard fixing this as an uphill battle so i'm just doing my little bit to help. if you guys are going to go ahead with this, just keep that in mind.

Perhaps we can put a warning message that defines what exactly is a meme at the beginning of the to-be Memes/hololive page?

From my understanding, the differences between Running gags, Memes and Memetic Mutation are:

• Running gag is simply just a joke that gets repeatedly used within the work (e.g. a Vtuber repeating using a joke but nobody in the chat really make variations on it).
• Meme is an idea (not even necessarily used in the source material, i.e. Vtuber's channel) that is repeatedly told and deviated among the ordinary people (i.e. the important thing is that the viewers actively use and make variations on it).
• Memetic Mutation is when a Meme is used and understood by even people who don't know a thing on the original source material.

So, if we look at the "rejected" entries:

• "Cut the fourth wire." is definitely not a Meme (it's not even a running gag at that),
• "X-Potatoes" sounded like a Meme (since it is apparently both repeatedly used and involves the viewers making variations on it), but NOT Memetic Mutation.

Right?

I should also mention that if we go by this definition of Memetic Mutation they have in the forum thread linked by @Freecom (see below), then it can be interpreted as only "てぇてぇ" & "The "ahe ahe" challenge" are allowed, since they're the only one used by people who doesn't even know hololive.

"A popular phrase within a fandom may be a meme, but it is not a Memetic Mutation unless it grows beyond that fandom and becomes recognized outside of its original and specific context."

• fandom being hololive.

It doesn't feel right to just remove (pretty much) everything we have written there. So the Memes namespace would be a safe space for them to survive on.

i made a post on Ask the Tropers, hopefully someone more knowledgeable on this sort of thing can chime in

It's not an edit war, yo! (If you were talking about me that is. I didn't intend on being aggressive, I'm mere suggesting a solution that would allow us to write as much as possible without breaking the rules; that's all I want, the freedom of writing) But good call. Hopefully people will help us out on this.

i'm not a pro with this site's jargon by any means so yeah "edit war" was probably too harsh, but i dont really know what else to call it

RESULT: Please read the block of comment above the Memetic Mutation trope list in the source code of YMMV if you decides to add a meme / running gag, thank you.