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May 20th 2020 at 1:38:51 PM •••

Well, it looks like this page is starting to get too big for its britches; how\'d y\'all propose a split?

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May 21st 2020 at 9:41:34 AM •••

Sure, but into what? As Eternal shows, we can\'t just neatly cut it into demons and not demons, because not all the enemies you fight are demons.

And as is the case with Samuel, characters don\'t necessarily stay antagonistic (or, if the theories alluded to are correct, even in the same faction.)

Jun 8th 2020 at 12:39:02 PM •••

I put everything from demons and down as \'enemies\' and split it like that

Jun 8th 2020 at 5:04:38 PM •••

Thanks. Also, I think I\'m going to start converting the Characters.Doom 2016 page into an indexing page. I think we have enough to the Slayer to get his own page, but the real question is how we handle the UAC and Argent D\'Nur sections. Should they each be their own page, or do we lump them into a \"UAC and other factions\" page? I\'d say \"NPCs\", but where does that put Samur and the Makyr Angels (at least for now)?

EDIT: Right now, I\'m thinking the split should actually be into \"The Doom Slayer\", \"Hell\", \"UAC\", and \"Urdak and Argent D\'Nur\".

EDIT 2: Going to go ahead with proposed changes and turn this page into an index.

Edited by UmbrellasWereAwesome
Apr 29th 2020 at 7:19:22 AM •••

So, I\'m no art expert, but is it really accurate to describe the fleshy areas of Hell as being like a Hieronymus Bosch painting? From what I\'ve seen of his artwork his version of Hell leans more into the surreal rather than looking like the inside of something\'s guts.

Mar 24th 2020 at 12:47:53 AM •••

The Doom Slayer\'s Status as a Nineties Anti Hero or not:

  • Points in favour:
    • Name
    • Oversized arsenal
    • Penchant for bodily harm and brutal murder
    • Never loses
    • Middle aged
    • Rated M For Manly

  • Points against:
    • Has a solid moral center
    • Has heroic attributes
    • Has actual Super Strength and Super Speed given to him by angels, not through some demonic pact, nor is it an effect of the technology he uses - even if were to play the devil\'s advocate and say that he was empowered using technology, this is no more than Captain America, and none would say that his strength is technological in nature.
    • Visually lacks pouches and bandoliers. He doesn\'t need them.
    • Hair isn\'t grey, it\'s vibrant brown.
    • No Eye Scream damage
    • Doesn\'t brood, doesn\'t angst. He just does and doesn\'t doubt.
    • Is shown to have a number of hobbies, including guitar playing and reading both magazines and books.
    • Utterly silent.
    • Would Not Shoot A Civilian
All this makes him, in my eyes, very much a subversion. If you see him with his armor on, slaughtering demons, you\'d be forgiven for staying the fuck away thinking the trope is in effect - but underneath that, if you take time to analyse him, it\'s clear that the trope isn\'t in effect.

Which all comes together to make it a Subverted Trope

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Mar 24th 2020 at 3:07:00 AM •••

None of those things are points against him as a Nineties Anti Hero at all. Tons of NAH have those exact same qualities or lack thereof, including Trope Codifiers like Spawn. You seem to be focusing on the incredibly superficial aspects instead of what the trope actually entails (a grim, and gritty, over-the-top antihero that was popularized in the 90\'s, which fits Doom Slayer like a glove). I also brought up your edits here. So please continue discussion in that thread.

Mar 26th 2020 at 12:48:59 AM •••

Following discussion in the thread, the Nineties Anti Hero trope has been clarified and corrected (in particular, the laconic mentioned angst as being a requirement before the discussion), I have thus removed any implications of downplaying or subverting the trope.

Edited by Theharbo
Feb 5th 2020 at 7:26:16 AM •••

So, I found this youtube breakdown of the demons in Doom Eternal; maybe this is useful to flesh out the Eternal elements of this page?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvhi4kHX0Rg

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