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I agree that tropes not directly describing the SCP don't belong in the character page for it. In fact, the SCP Foundation may deserve its own cleanup thread.
Also, I hate to be a Grammar Nazi, but you made a lot of grammatical errors in this post. I hope your English while editing pages is better.
Keet cleanup
Don't worry, aside from minor clean up, I'll use Get Help with English thread first.
Character subpages should only have characterization tropes, yeah. Not plot/formatting tropes from the story, even if the story features that character.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
^There is no consensus on that point.
Knowledge is Power, Guard it Well
You're right; there's no consensus on moving plot-tropes to character subpages, but people still do it and examples get fixed on a case-by-case basis.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
There is no consensus that only characterisation tropes belong on character pages is what I meant. Whether plot tropes belong there is a case-by-case matter, however.
Edited by SebastianGray Knowledge is Power, Guard it Well
Note: I first sent this message through Kuruni's PM, maybe i should post it here instead.
If it's going by organism and object SCP's as Characters, and phenomenon SCP's as not characters, with tropes listing the SCP and nothing else, then most plot tropes (Including Call-Back) wouldn't count i guess. It's trickier if the trope is about a character's actions (What a researcher commonly does, or what an SCP tried to do to breach containment, or anomalous activities an SCP does), but it isn't listed under Characterization Tropes
e.g. SCP-5056-A will make a constant 119 decibel tone if it's seperated from SCP-5056-B (who is otherwise a normal human). This would be Hell Is That Noise, since a sound that loud is generally unwanted and it occurs In-Universe. But it's more of a character's actions than a character's trait
I don't have complete knowledge on how the SCP characterization is supposed to go, by the way, so there may be some flaws.
Edited by SomeLibre Cassie | he/they | But will it stop the pain forever? / I just can't be sure
Thought. Format them as:
SCP-682
- Hard-to-Destroy Reptile
Fine as only pertains to the one character.
SCP-5000 - Why?
Description of the SCP and general character tropes if applicable.
Pietro Wilson and his mechanical suit
- Sample Trope
Spoiler Character
- Sample Trope
SCP-1730 - What Happened to Site-13?
Description of the SCP and general character tropes if applicable.
Mobile Task Forces
- Redirect if recurring enough to warrant entry elsewhere.
SCP's interred in Site-13
Dr. Elliott Emerson and the Alternate Universe Foundation
Star Trek Character pages have folders for the main ship(s) of the series. If we can figure out why those count as character folders we can use that to figure which SCP's do/don't deserve character folders and begin cleanup.
Loath as I am to remove content, deleting SCP's deemed not to count as character thus showing what is/isn't allowed on Character pages might be the only fix.
Might be worth creating a short term cleanup threat for deciding if SCP entires can be considered characters, be separated into characters, or too non-character for the page and what to do with them, Here is why moving such to Recaps was rejected.
Probably useful to make a short-term cleanup thread for this situation.
Also what if the trope is an action an SCP does (regardless of whether it requires certain criteria to be met)?
e.g. SCP-5056-A will make a constant 119 decibel tone if it's seperated from SCP-5056-B (who is otherwise a normal human). This would be Hell Is That Noise, since a sound that loud is generally unwanted and it occurs In-Universe. Thing is, it's more something of a character's actions than a character's trait. (And Hell Is That Noise isn't a characterization trope)
IIRC, action tropes can be on characters sheet if it's significant to the character. For example, it's ok to list Off with His Head! for a character who decapitate another several times throughout the work, as well as a character who died by decapitation. Due to the nature of SCP articles, I think most action of the subject is good enough to include (or at very least worthy of discussion if it should be include).
^^ Recap/ can be done. But sadly, it look like people only want to list tropes without actually write a recap.
I think Recap would be better reserved for tales, and Group of Interest Formats that isn't centered around a specific character.
Character-centered GOI Formats are commonly found in GOC Formats, Wilson's Wildlife Solutions Formats, Herman Fuller Formats, and Serpent's Hand's Formats, etc..
Story-centered GOI Formats are commonly found in Ambrose Restaurant Formats, Deer College Formats, and Fifthist song formats, etc.
Edited by SomeLibre Cassie | he/they | But will it stop the pain forever? / I just can't be sure
I think it should be easier by looking at an SCP article just like all other articles instead of a creature profile (ironically, this come up so often on the wiki itself, "newer SCP isn't just creature's description).
Alright, I think Ferot's format look good and I should come up with a warning note soon (will process through Get Help with English thread). However, can we get permisdion to enforce that all article must srate its character(s), and no new trope add to article without identified character?
(btw, two sheets already have "too long" warning and must be split as well)
Having participated in this whole topic in the past, my ideas are roughly similar to what I advocated in the past, though a little bit more distilled. As I see it, SCPs are works first. My current proposed solution for a consistent solution that doesn't require mass deletion is to split every single SCP article into their own work page, and add character subpages for those work pages to document characters within them.
Though if that doesn't work, I'm OK with mass deletion or other character page reforms (my interest in SCP Foundation has significantly waned compared to the past so I'm no longer so allergic to deletions).
Edited by Wuz
I think this discussion would probably best continue on the discussion page.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
This might be yet another futile attempt, but I would like to enforce "Please state the character(s)" in Characters.SCP Foundation (the skips sheets, other sheets are doing fine). One major problem with them is that people troping someone else instead of the character in the header.
For example, SCP-5000 used to be filled with tropes belong to the Foundation (which has its own sheet) despite the SCP-5000 is (from the article itself) "a non-functional mechanical suit identified within its internal schematics as an 'Absolute Exclusion Harness' designed by the SCP Foundation."
This is likely stem from how the site march on with style. While many articles are named after the object itself, but some don't. (Although this isn't something new, although it didn't cause problem before because at least the object will be the center of the story. But many new articles on SCP Wiki are now a tale in skip guise.) For examples, said SCP-5000 is called "Why" while SCP-4000 is called "Taboo", neither is the name of the object. So I guess that's how tropers think "Anything is ok if they appears in said story.", and so we got purely narrative tropes list in character sheet (For example, here's one from Characters.SCP Foundation SC Ps 3000 To 3999:
Mind you, SCP-3008 object is an IKEA store as Eldritch Location. The journey is written by a man trapped in it but not the direct result of its anomaly, so the trope is clearly not belong to the IKEA store itself.)
I did add some "Tropes associated with X" to handful of skips entries because I think it should resolve some issue. People should at least aware of who or what they're troping and it can cover other one-shot character who's only has major role in one skip (for example, the aforementioned SCP-5000 has a good chunk of the story being about a character called Pietro Wilson who used that suit even if he isn't skip itself). The 3008 above? Troping "people trapped inside" (or the "store and people trapped inside") would allow that misplaced trope to stay with minor edit. Plus, that's how other sheet done. When troping a Stage 2 of video games, we add "Tropes associated with mini-boss" and "Tropes associated with stage boss" if they're stand out.
Unfortunately, it isn't done to all entries yet because, as noted, not all articles are named after the character and so I need to look up the article first (and with articles getting longer these days...). Also, even when it's done with the character's name clearly stated, some people just ignore it anyway and that's discouraging.
But lets try a gain, put a big bolded notification of "Please state the character before troping." on the top of skip sheet and see if it would help. Although I cannot write a good message and need help here.
Edited by Kuruni