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ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
8th Oct, 2020 06:09:41 PM

^How much, if any, of the comic was archived?

Serac Since: Mar, 2016
8th Oct, 2020 08:06:14 PM

I looked at the internet archive, and it only has one page.

SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
9th Oct, 2020 01:57:12 AM

Denied it, anyway. A lot of research needs to be made before we can say "t may indeed be lost media that we can't trope anymore"

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
rjd1922 Since: May, 2013
9th Oct, 2020 06:03:43 PM

See, part of the reason I don't like the policy of deleting pages for works that no longer exist is that it can be used to circumvent The Fic May Be Yours, but the Trope Page Is Ours. If a creator of an online work wants a page on their Old Shame gone, they can just delete it (particularly on FF.net which uses robots.txt so the Wayback Machine can't capture it), and then request the page be cut because the work is "lost".

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WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
9th Oct, 2020 06:07:18 PM

Eh. I mean, let's be real. It's fanfiction. While I don't like the idea of people trying to circumvent the rules like that, we don't lose much from not having the page.

We could always treat it the way we treat unpublished RP pages and kick it to Unpublished Works.

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wingedcatgirl MOD (Holding A Herring)
9th Oct, 2020 06:43:06 PM

^^ Off-topic, but the Wayback Machine no longer respects FFN's robots.txt request. Not sure why, precisely, but it's convenient for us.

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
crazysamaritan MOD Since: Apr, 2010
9th Oct, 2020 06:47:13 PM

Technically the policy isn't "remove pages for works that no longer exist", it is "remove pages for works that cannot be verified". It's a subtle difference, but this policy is to prevent "It totally existed, I swear! Someone must be trying to scrub all traces of it from the internet!" — I prefer it where we can remove articles about non-existent works. If that means people who are dedicated enough to Un-person a work can get that article deleted, that's an acceptable loss.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010
9th Oct, 2020 07:09:55 PM

Honestly, I don't think it's even really a problem that it can lead to people 'circumventing' the rules. While the whole "wait, once I make something available for people to read it's actually out there?" attitude baffles me, it's not like wiki policy is intentionally designed to spite creators. We're just trying to trope what we can see.

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TheGeekArtist08 Since: Feb, 2020
9th Oct, 2020 08:00:57 PM

..so, I searched it up and turns out, it still exists.

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Serac Since: Mar, 2016
9th Oct, 2020 08:45:47 PM

I feel like the debate about lost media vs. Old Shame works that the creator tried to delete off the internet vs. unverifiable works should be in Wiki Talk, not here.

SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
10th Oct, 2020 03:30:05 AM

Yeah, this is drifting offtopic. Closing.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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