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wingedcatgirl MOD (Holding A Herring)
7th May, 2019 06:40:41 PM

PLP is for different-gender friends, HLP is for same-gender friends.

I sorta wonder if this is even a distinction worth making?

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WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
7th May, 2019 06:45:54 PM

To me it seems like PLP is friends who could potentially have sexual attraction to each other but don't, while HLP is friends who wouldn't be attracted to each other anyway?

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wingedcatgirl MOD (Holding A Herring)
7th May, 2019 06:49:53 PM

See, that would be a distinction worth making in my onion, but as it stands, the tropes are "different gender" vs "same gender", not "compatible orientation" vs "Incompatible Orientation". Heck, PLP explicitly includes cases of Incompatible Orientation, as long as they're still different genders.

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CryptidProductions Since: Mar, 2019
8th May, 2019 03:20:54 AM

According to HLP that's exactly the distinction.

PLP is for a mixed gender friendship while HLP is for for either two dudes or two girls. I think more than anything else it's a useful split to avoid the unholy doorstopper the example list would be if you combined them.

So:

Alice and Bob: Platonic Life-Partners

Alice and Sarah: Heterosexual Life-Partners

Bob and Johnny: Also Heterosexual Life-Partners

ElementalMacaroon Since: Sep, 2014
8th May, 2019 08:12:22 AM

Got it, so HLP is titled that way because characters are presumed heterosexual until proven otherwise?

I'm curious, which trope would you apply if one of the characters was non-binary?

Pichu-kun Since: Jan, 2001
8th May, 2019 09:03:07 AM

I remember being told that Heterosexual Life-Partners was for straight male characters but Platonic Life-Partners was for mixed-gender examples and mixed-sexuality examples.

TheGreatConversation Since: Apr, 2017
8th May, 2019 09:08:45 AM

I've brought this up in threads before, but the trope distinction as it stands now (PLP=opposite gender, HLP=same gender) is actually homophobic because it implies that the same-gender couple would automatically be attracted to each other if they were homosexual. That homosexual people are attracted to everyone of our own sex is a stereotype we've been fighting for decades.

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RoundRobin Since: Jun, 2018
8th May, 2019 11:24:30 AM

^ Don't take it too personally, it's the same between heterosexual characters, too. A male protagonist and a female protagonist simply must be attracted to each other. That's why the aversion (i.e. Platonic Life Partners) is notable enough to be a trope in its own right.

That being said, both tropes could use a tweak in their descriptions, as several tropers have already suggested.

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Lymantria Since: Apr, 2015
8th May, 2019 03:48:35 PM

Yes. We didn't decide that, before the existence of homosexuality was common knowledge, many people thought a man and a woman couldn't just be friends but two same-sex people could be, and this perception still exists today, albeit to a lesser extent.

If we followed that logic, we'd cut trope pages for offensive stereotypes like Greedy Jew, All Gays Are Pedophiles, Women Drivers, Scary Black Man, Yellow Peril, etc.

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ElementalMacaroon Since: Sep, 2014
8th May, 2019 05:25:52 PM

The Great Conversation: Plus it presents heterosexual and homosexual as the only options, erasing people who are bisexual, pansexual, asexual, and others.

Lymantria: Those trope pages are written in a way that acknowledges them as harmful stereotypes. The homophobic implications of HLP aren't addressed on the trope page.

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