Reorder Neverwinter Nights subpages

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gc10 Human Bean Since: Feb, 2019

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7th May, 2022 03:20:36 AM

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Reorder Neverwinter Nights subpages Videogame

Long post incoming: this is another request from me about namespaces and titles, this time with the Neverwinter Nights video games. The video games involved are:

Neverwinter Nights (AOL), a MMORPG released in 1991;
Neverwinter Nights, the game from BioWare (they acquired the rights to the title from the devlopers of the 1991 and reused it for their own game);
Neverwinter Nights 2, the sequel to the Bio Ware game (made by Obsidian Entertainment)
Neverwinter, a MMORPG by Cryptic Studios and considered a spiritual third Neverwinter Nights game.

Issues

It's weird the disambiguation between Neverwinter Nights AOL and Neverwinter Nights. If you don't know, AOL was the web platform hosting the servers to the 1991 game. Braces are used for the year or, in some cases, to distinguish creators. But these games have been released at different decades, it makes no sense on why they shouldn't be Neverwinter Nights (1991) and ... (2002), even if the latter is infinitely more popular.
Expansions of Neverwinter Nights 1 and Neverwinter Nights 2 are put in the namespaces NeverwinterNights/ and NeverwinterNights2/. It would make sense if whoever made this wanted to arrange tropes with a different order rather than just alphabetical (it helps that such expansions are story-wise very different from the original campaigns). But if you check the wicks of expansions pages, you'll see they're used all across TV Tropes. I admit I contributed to alimenting this and I'll correct if it's wrong. Because I doubt that is allowed? If they have as namespace the name of the parent game rather than VideoGame/, shouldn't they be treated strictly as subpages and not on par VideoGame/ pages, thus not mentioned anywhere but in the parent page?
Neverwinter Nights has a sidebox index for all Neverwinter-named works. It may be useful, but is it necessary, and accurate? Dungeons & Dragons has one, but they're mostly actual links and they're all objectively based on the D&D verse. The one in Neverwinter Nights is arbitrary, because the game in question, no matter how popular, technically isn't the first to use this title. There's also that: games listed there are only loosely related to each other; the list is full of non-links, and at the end of the day the actual links are not even a dozen, four games plus some expansions. It's just a bulky box placed there. Not to mention that, if Nevewinter Nights gets its title changed, it couldn't reasonibly be an index page.

This is how I'd personally solve the issues mentioned above. I'd need in particular a mod to help me solving the weird namespace issue.

Solutions

Move Neverwinter Nights (AOL) to Neverwinter Nights 1991 and Neverwinter Nights to Neverwinter Nights 2002.
Turn Neverwinter Nights in a disambiguation/index page.
Since Neverwinter Nights will be a disambiguation/index, the sidebox index won't be brought to Neverwinter Nights 2002.
As for the expansions with their own pages but in the NeverwinterNights/ namespace, what should we do? Should the namespace be kept, but enstablished that Trope pages have to link to their parent pages? Or is it fine to use them as they are? Or should they be moved to VideoGame/ namespaces?
Last, how do I move that single review that has Neverwinter Nights?

Final note: I know I'm throwing in a lot of work. So if someone agrees with my proposals, just telling me "yes" is enough. I don't expect them to help me at all costs just because they agreed.

Edited by gc10

Libraryseraph (Five Year Plan)

7th May, 2022 03:48:32 AM

I think the expansions should definitely be under Video Game/. I agree with the other assertions too, but the expansions are the most obvious one to me

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StarSword Since: Sep, 2011

7th May, 2022 08:38:33 AM

WRT the NWN2 expansions, that was my doing several years ago. The organization scheme was: main "tropes # to #" subpages are for the base game and cross-campaign stuff, then the two subpages for story tropes for the expansions.

Amonimus (Sergeant)

7th May, 2022 08:43:12 AM

Courtesy:

I like to believe that if there are enough tropes for an expansion of a game, they should first remain as a folder on the main page, then go to a new work page, instead of being moved into examples subpages.

Regarding the sidebox, I've removed one at Pathfinder some time ago in favor of having the list in the description, and I'd prefer the same applying to other DND pages.

Edited by Amonimus TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup

gc10 Since: Feb, 2019

8th May, 2022 02:04:44 AM

Bump. Anyone else? It's especially a mod I need to understand this thing of the namespaces

Amonimus (Sergeant)

29th Jun, 2022 01:29:16 PM

Sorry to necro, but it appeared on mind, so I'd like an opinion on doing these maneuvers before going on with these:

1. Move NeverwinterNights.Shadows Of Undrentide and NeverwinterNights.Hordes Of The Underdark contents entirely to VideoGame.Neverwinter Nights as folders and cutlist. The merged page would be only 81k bytes long.

2. Remove the wiki-style infobox. Neverwinter Nights 2 has own page, and Neverwinter Nights (AOL) and Neverwinter aren't actually part of the series and just adapt the same setting. Anything of note is already in the description.

Haven't made my mind on other questions in OP, but these two are something that can be done without a problem.

Edited by Amonimus TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup

MacronNotes (Captain)

29th Jun, 2022 01:37:21 PM

^ That sounds good to me.

Not sure what a mod is needed for regarding namespaces though.

Macron's notes

Amonimus (Sergeant)

29th Jun, 2022 01:55:29 PM

Done. Turned the expansions into redirects for our search engine purposes for now ([1] [2]), as I'm not super confident what we'd normally do otherwise.

I'll move the question of disambiguating same-named works to the disambig forum.

Edited by Amonimus TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup

gc10 Since: Feb, 2019

30th Jun, 2022 02:59:31 AM

Actually, thanks for bringing this up again, I almost forgot.

I'd say the two pages with the NeverWinter/ namespace should be cut and replace by the usual VideoGame/ namespace.

Amonimus (Sergeant)

30th Jun, 2022 03:02:40 AM

For that to happen someone needs to give them decent enough descriptions, then the trope lists can be moved over.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup

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