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resolved Daemon10 and ZCE
On this page, Daemon 10 added a few examples with zero context. After I commented them out, they un-commented them out without adding any context to them and added more ZCEs on top. So I sent them a ZCE notifier, and it seems like they listened (because when they uncommented out the examples again, they did add more context to them)...but they then created a characters page for the same work and added ZCEs to that page instead.
resolved Transference/Implementation of Appearance folders Print Comic
As dictated by an earlier ATT entry, appearance bars have been culled from character pages that are known to have them. I'd like to propose that instead of culling them full-stop, they get changed into collapsible appearance folders since the original issue was that they cluttered up the page as well as the fact that most other character pages seem to already have appearance folders anyway. The following is an example that's already implemented on a few pages (not by me, they were already present before this proposal)
- XXX Vol 1 #Y-WZ
- XXX Vol 1 #Z-XZZ
- YYY Vol 2 #YY-ZZZ
resolved Does Mystique counts as DracoInLeatherPants Print Comic
Hey guys, a while ago I added X-Men’s Mystique to the Draco in Leather Pants Marvel page of villains who are beloved and forgiven by fans despite their heinous crimes.
Troper Cylon took issue with this as they don’t consider Mystique an abusive mother or sadistic villain even though she has had decades of written to be just that. They removed the example, I put it back, they removed it again. Que the ensuing arguments where even where I provided evidence Cylon would either ignore it or tried justify it or claim it’s bad writing that Mystique was written that way.
I believe same as Magneto, Mystique definitely counts for the trope. What do you guys think?
Edited by Yellow20resolved There are several edits by ethanm1 on the headscratcher page for a New Hope that seems written by AI Film
Example
Great question! The Death Star is powered by a powerful reactor located in the station's core. This reactor generates a massive amount of energy that is used to power a combination of propulsions systems, including repulsorlift engines, which allow the station to hover in the air or space, and sublight engines, which allow it to move through hyperspace. The Death Star also employs a special type of engine known as a hyperdrive, which is capable of moving the station across vast distances at faster-than-light speeds. This engine can be used to move the station between different star systems, and is what allows it to travel from one battle to another. However, it takes time to charge and power up the hyperdrive, which is why the Death Star is usually accompanied by a fleet of support ships, such as the imperial star destroyers, which can provide protection while it is charging its hyperdrive. Overall, the Death Star is a highly advanced and powerful vehicle that is designed to dominate the galaxy and instill fear in its enemies. The station's weapons, armor, and propulsion systems make it one of the most formidable craft in the galaxy, and its ability to travel from one system to another allows it to be a constant threat to any target, whether it's a rebel base, or simply an entire planet that it has been sent to destroy
Are the use of AI to answer headscratchers okay?
resolved Possible edit war
On YMMV.Touken Ranbu Warriors (and it's previous name Touken Ranbu Musuo):
- Troper biggestSoap added an Esoteric Happy Ending entry on its previous name before I moved it.
- I removed it, citing this comment on the "Is this an Example" thread".
- Soap added it again (albeit rewritten) on the new named page.
I'm not sure if edit warring counts when a page is moved from its original language title to one that is officially localized so I wish to know.
Edited by Ayumi-chanresolved Page to cut, misuse.
UnintentionalUncannyValley.Fan Works and UnintentionalUncannyValley.Tabletop Games were removed from Unintentional Uncanny Valley as all examples were intentional and moved to Uncanny Valley.
Is there a reason the pages were not cut or should they be.
resolved Franchises Across Multiple Media Categories
I launched Melting Pot Sci-Fi Setting yesterday. During TLP I arranged the Star Trek and Star Wars examples into their own Franchise folders. I did this because these are media Franchises with shared lore that all rely on the trope, so scattering be between different media categories makes things hard to follow.
During the TLP there was discussion about me initially alphabetizing this incorrectly but nobody seemed to mind me keeping the Franchises together: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=6i0kr1c7noxf5im7knrfo4op
However ~Nejiiuyn has edited the page and split them up and now it's confusing:
I don't want to just reverse this as I'd be edit warring but I did want to bring it here for discussion.
resolved "Featured" Video Examples
Just a quick question, what does marking your video examples as "Featured" actually do?
resolved Possible Edit War in Despicable Me 4? Western Animation
- Mepsipax adds this entry for They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot.
- Venomous Seal deletes it because the trope "isn't supposed" to be added until "three days after the movie's released".
- Ilove Cookies 875 readds the entry without explanation.
Is this an Edit War? Because while it doesn't follow the back-and-forth adding and removing of the same entry by two different tropers, They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot is not under No Recent Examples, Please!, so I'm not sure either if the entry should stay.
resolved How to get special characters in the page title?
So, i noticed that some media titles have special characters like ":" or "()" in them.
For example:
Master Detective Archives: Rain Code
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/MasterDetectiveArchivesRainCode
And i wanted to know how do we do that when creating a page for a work, because the way we create a page here is by filling the blank space im the URL with the media name, but special characters aren't allowed in the group name and title. So how do we get them there?
Edited by CulturedScholarresolved Spanks
Spanks has added an improperly indented (lone third-bullet) example pertaining Super Mario Bros. Wonder in Bleak Level. I had sent them a lifetime total of 5 indentation notifiers (the oldest one in February 2016 and the newest one in March this year), among other notifiers like word cruft. I just don't understand why this habit still continues, by know they should know better unless they never read the Example Indentation page (or even the messages pointing them to it).
resolved Gravity YMMV example
On YMMV.Gravity, Etrebamort added a Memetic Mutation example that didn't have any sort of context. I commented out the example and sent them a ZCE notifier. They responded by saying (I'm paraphrasing here) that adding context would lean into Don't Explain the Joke, and then made the example visible again while potholing it to From Bad to Worse.
I'm posting this query to ask for permission to comment out the example again. Without context, an example just shouldn't be visible at all, regardless of what kind of joke it would ruin with it.
resolved Do you need permission for creating subpages?
Because I am fairly new at this wiki, I have a question regarding creating new pages: if the page for a work on this wiki lacks a certain subpage (for example, a Funny page, or Recap page), do you need permission first before creating that respective page?
Edited by HipsterDog02resolved CoolNickNack (again)
In a previous query I reported Cool Nick Nack for continuing to make Example Indentation errors despite notifiers, and apparently they were suspended. However they're still editing and still making indentation mistakes, in particular tacking on "sub-bullets" like replies or extensions of the previous example. And it's not as if they don't know how to indent properly either, as shown by this edit.
resolved UPDATE work pages with no examples
My apologies, but I accidentally locked the original ATT: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=133619&type=att
Turns out, Toy Storyin Space Play Set DID respond to my notifier when I sent it on the same day, but for whatever reason I did not receive a notification. This was on the 21st. I saw it just now.
Aside from that sudden notification issue, their reply was not helpful at all. Instead of telling me anything specific, they said that it's "somehow their fault". I'm pretty sure quoting the full line is against the rules, but anyway they made no reference to correcting anything in particular.
Now what?
Edited by Lermisresolved Is WetTShirtContest a unisex or gendered trope?
The description of the main Wet T-Shirt Contest trope page doesn't list it as a gendered trope. However, the Playing With page for Wet T-Shirt Contest has a Gender-Inverted entry that lists men being in the contest, suggesting that the trope is Always Female, and some examples have followed suit (I think) by listing male examples as "inverted".
I've been reviewing a potential discussed example and would like to ask for clarification for whether the trope is gendered, especially since its Super-Trope of Sexy Soaked Shirt is unisex; it's because if the trope is unisex, then I think the Playing With page and the examples that follow its listing conventions should be edited to reflect that.
resolved work pages with no examples
Yesterday Toy Storyin Space Play Set created two work pages with zero examples: Fanfic.A Ghostto Remember You By and Fanfic.TONIGHT Restart From This Night.
I sent them a notifier yesterday that said that work pages need to have examples, and that the name for the first fic should be Fanfic.A Ghost To Remember You By as opposed to what it is now.
They fixed the ghost thing, but somehow it still reads as "A Ghostto Remember You By" in the page, and they haven't added any examples. In addition, they added the fics to a few indexes already.
I checked the rest of their edit history and it seems fine (no issues pop up) so asking ATT may be premature, but I've never seen anyone create a work page with NO examples whatsoever.
resolved Nononsensecapeesh
...Is a troper that keeps violating our editing policies, even after notifiers (and one attempt to reach out on a thread).
Primarily, the notifiers have been about ZCE and indentation. And yet, it has not made a difference, at least when it comes to proper example context (indentation they seem to have gotten a grasp on). But the issues run deeper than this. In the past few days alone, their examples also contain:
- Speculation and arguable examples, especially when it comes to the balloon man.
- Some slightly awkward grammar
- Misplaced examples
- General trope misuse.
The time I tried to ping them to a thread was over a unilateral and improperly split character's page, which they also never cleaned or indexed. They ignored my attempt to reach out. It's also worth noting that my most recent notifiers to them were in March.
Over in TLP someone mentioned that historical examples that have since been revealed to be wrong or at least inaccurate (i.e. Dated History, in this case the idea that Spartans regularly committed infanticide) is speculative troping and so shouldn't be included at all.
Is that the actual policy?
Edited by Chabal2