During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
to Dangelo.
I like the last quote as well.
Goku Black
dangelo
As requested from acw
- Tales of the Slayer: "Die Blutgrafin" by Yvonne Navarro: Elizabeth Bathory ("Die Blutgrafin") is a fiendish noblewoman who begins to abuse her servants before moving onto murder. Kidnapping hundreds of servant girls, Bathory has them starved and abused in squalid, filthy conditions. Savouring their pain, Bathory later has them tortured to death through various methods like the Iron Maiden, to which she subjects the heroine of the story. Bathory is a monstrous human who believes that bathing in the blood of her victims will give her immortality.
Edited by miraculous on Nov 25th 2020 at 9:51:59 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Dangelo, Onyx, Li Pang
So, trying to make sure I understand what the process is after getting all the thumbs-up here: So the next step is to write how I want the example to appear on the page, and put it on Complete Monster Drafts, yes? What comes after that?
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Yes, both here and on the Drafts.
Then, I'll make any edits and move it from the Drafts to my Microsoft Word file with the other Drafts. I'll post the Drafts here Sunday for everyone to look over, and then Tuesday I request the additions to the appropriate CM page.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Edit: ![[nja]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/user_ninja_2074.png "[nja]"){kind=small}
. Nevermind ACW already answered. Ignore this.
Edited by Bullman on Nov 25th 2020 at 1:38:43 PM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
BTW, which book is Heman from?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Yes to Dangelo.
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
Dawnwing: Wait until Sunday, which is when ACW posts them to the Locked Pages thread and (if there is any) the YMMV page.
Edit: (this means I got beat to it, Dawnwing).
Metroid manga villains and Onyx.
I Can't Believe I'm Saying This, never thought I would ever say this, but ![[tdown]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_down_emoticon_3571.png "[thumb down]"){kind=small}
to Palpatine.
Edited by MasterN on Nov 25th 2020 at 11:39:41 AM
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Dangelo. to Palpatine and Miss G.
to Dangelo
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Metroid Manga. Any good images of Ridley we could use? Or maybe there's a good one of "Boss"?
Edited by ACW on Nov 25th 2020 at 3:43:08 PM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Goku Black
Ridley ?
Edited by miraculous on Nov 25th 2020 at 12:46:02 PM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Same here. Not sure either of his quotes at the quotes page work as a caption, but I like the image.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
to the Ridley image.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Any good header ideas for the potential Metroid page?
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Ultimate Moral Compass
How about something like this?
Intergalactic bounty hunter Samus Aran has dealt with countless aliens of all shapes and sizes in order to keep the galaxy safe, with these standing out as the worst.
![[down]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_down.png "[down]"){kind=icon}
Way better.
Edited by therealjackieboy on Nov 25th 2020 at 2:44:41 AM
"No running in the halls!"
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Lemme tweak that a bit:
Throughout her many adventures, Samus Aran has confronted Space Pirates, Metroids, and countless other aliens of all shapes and sizes in order to keep the galaxy safe. A select few stand out as the worst.
Edited by ACW on Nov 25th 2020 at 5:44:35 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Oh that one is even better.
to the image. For the image caption, I suggest we refer to Ridley’s infamous title:
The Cunning God of Death
Or a perhaps this segment of Ridley’s quote:
"Heh, humans are always weak to the death of their own kind!!"
Edited by Shadao on Nov 25th 2020 at 4:09:29 AM
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
I would go with the first as the caption personally.
Edited by Bullman on Nov 25th 2020 at 6:21:05 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
I think last is best. P.S. I wanted to ask the same question.