During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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to everyone I missed").
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Sure to Dr. Doom
Yes to Albert Fish and Dr. Doom.
Okay, with enough upvotes and to stuff him in this week batch, here is the writeup for Doom:
Fantastic Four (2015): Victor Von Doom is a gifted young genius, who started the development of the device for the government that would be capable of transporting people across dimensions. After joining with Reed Richards, Johnny and Susan he was able to finish it and together with them he traveled in an alien dimension, where, after an accident he got superhuman powers. Desiring to create his own world in that dimension, Victor was not happy when government agents retrieve him from there and slaughtered many of the scientists and soldiers in the base, including Johnny's father, before planning to use the teleporter to create a black hole on Earth and destroy an entire planet, solely out of his hatred for humanity.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Doom's the second CM for Toby Kebbell, and if the film incarnation of Ax is like the comic one, he'll have a third soon.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
ACW: This is also, I think, the fourth incarnation of Doctor Doom to count.
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Goku Black
Well theirs the book version and the original film version. Whose the fourth one ?
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
@Vile Maybe refer to it as Fant4stic instead. Everyone pretty much does.
I was uncertain at first because Doom/Victor seemed to genuinely believe in his cause and was trapped on SIGH "Planet Zero" for years, but yeah, the movie doesn't really address it. By the time he returns in this 1:40 movie, there's only a HALF HOUR LEFT! God it's dumb! It's just dumb!
Edited by futuremoviewriter on Jan 25th 2020 at 1:59:38 AM
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Yeah, I think this is only the third. Unless you count Otto von Doom.
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Who's the bad guy for the movie before him then?
Edited by ACW on Jan 25th 2020 at 4:58:41 AM
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"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
I think his Marvel 1602 version.
Edited by Bullman on Jan 25th 2020 at 4:02:18 AM
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Goku Black
That's not actually Doom. That's his ancestor.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
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Speaking of that, lemme de-pothole:
- Marvel 1602: Count Otto "The Handsome" von Doom is the narcissistic ruler of Latveria, and the ancestor of Victor Von Doom, but lacking any of the latter's positive qualities. Obsessed with his self-aggrandizement, Otto believes that his supposed genius and handsome face entitle him to world domination. Using the birthing pens he inherited from his father, Otto breeds up armies of brainwashed vulture flier assassins and craven dwarfed servants to do his bidding, keeps the crew of the Fantastick imprisoned in specially made prison cells, sends killers after Sir Nicholas Fury and Virginia Dare, and has Queen Elizabeth I murdered lest her agents beat his to the Templar treasure he covets. In the sequel, he murders his lover, Natasha, plots to sell Susan and Jonathan Storm to Numenor of Bensaylum and his cousin as sex slaves—after hypnotizing them into killing Richard Reed and Benjamin Grimm—and finally betrays Numenor, murdering him and sinking the city of Bensaylum beneath the waves. Utterly vain and innately treacherous, Count Otto and his ego left a trail of ruined lives in their wake.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
You see I didn't know if we count that one. Which is why I said I think. I haven't read the comic.
Edited by Bullman on Jan 25th 2020 at 4:02:56 AM
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@ACW After they all get their powers on Planet Zero and Victor supposedly dies, Reed escapes and a few years or something pass. Ben, Sue and Johnny all I think work for the government combatting terrorism or something and trying to find Reed (who has been living in secret or something trying to figure out how to reverse the experiments and make them all normal again). Reed is captured and it's not long after that that Doom is found on Planet Zero.
Dr. Allen is a Jerkass who takes more of the antagonistic role before Doom arrives, but he's definitely not this. Oh and yes, 1:40 runtime DOES includes end credits.
Edited by futuremoviewriter on Jan 25th 2020 at 2:07:04 AM
Goku Black
Here.
A pretty long end credits, around 8 minutes i think. Yeah, Dr. Allen was such a generic Jerkass (as well as Reed's teacher at school) that i often forgot his name. I just called him "Jerkass beauracrat number 2".
Edited by VeryVileVillian on Jan 25th 2020 at 1:10:44 PM
Goku Black
Maybe the studios wanted to thank everyone as sort of an apology for this film more or less killing Josh Trank's career.....
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Thanks. This comic sounds interesting. I should probably read it sometime.
Edited by Bullman on Jan 25th 2020 at 4:17:31 AM
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Goku Black
@acw: John Wick now exists. So we can crosswick.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
to Fish. Abstain on Doom
Fish and Doom
I thought sharks were my friends.
Yay to Fish and Doom.
RIP KissAnime.
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
to another Albert Fish and Dr. Doom.
~The Immortal Angel Newton: From Senran, you mean Dogen, right? He was actually proposed way long ago, but the EP itself had such bad English that nobody could understand it. I am actually looking over the games myself, as I plan to do him.
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
This will probably go before the Grimm's Scary Tales entries since this song came before that album.
Edited by therealjackieboy on Jan 25th 2020 at 1:09:09 AM
"It doesn't matter anymore. You win. It is Duck Season."